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Actual representation of the right wing anti-illegals

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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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These are the people that scream illegals are evil scum. The ones who want all Mexicans gone.I especially like how the white kid says that your trying to steal this land from us and the other guys you stole it to..the kid says naw man...Uuhhh yeah you did...payback can be a b*tch some times...right

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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 02:47 PM
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So you know, some white supremacist spouting hateful stuff does not represent the overall feelings of conservatives and most Americans.

I'm a Hispanic immigrant myself. I still hold a green card(at least for another few months before I have my citizenship) and I am against illegal immigration.

I guess that means I'm a white supremacist?

Your argument is woefully lacking.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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Actually it is not...I am talking about the people who think...if your mexican then you gotta be illegal.

Do you support the Arizona Sheriff who can stop anyone and ask for papers proving your American...so he basically started committing civil right violations against Latina's...stopping them for no reason..and such?


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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 02:55 PM
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Arizona's situation is far more different.

The bulk of illegal immigration in Arizona is NOT immigration, but human trafficking, gun and drug smuggling.

Did you know that Maricopa county sheriff's dept until recently had a partnership with ICE(Immigration and Customs Enforcement)? That it was part of his job to check the legal status of immigrants? That his dept. was working with ICE in illegal immigration sweeps?

What is going on in AZ is a political game between those who want illegals here to swell the voting block for certain political groups, and people who want the already existing Federal and State laws to be enforced.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 02:55 PM
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Illegal immigration is a prickly subject to discuss. What is needed is for the illegals to immediately become legal and for the process to simply be a document signing.
Then they get taxed, get standard wages, etc and stop hurting the economy.
The way things are now serves nobody...they work for a nickle an hour and live in abject poverty while a citizen loses a job to the nickle an hour guy..both have crappy lives because of how things are at the moment.

But what happens when you do that and you literally get tens of thousands rushing the border for a better life?

I don't know...ultimately the problem has to be fixed at the root..which is (in this case) Mexico..their life needs to somehow improve so they don't have the temptation to come here

If I put myself in their shoes..lets see...I am chasing rats around in the desert to survive a day, meanwhile dodging bullets from gangs and drug lords (all fueled by american dollars)...I look over a hill and see these cities of lights and all sorts of propaganda about how its freaking wonderful there...sure, I will grab my woman, my kid, and make a run for it...who wouldn't?

So, its time we stop this nonsense and talk about this like actual adults. How do we stop the actual desire to come...well, not by destroying ourselves, but perhaps really pressuring mexico to come up with employment standards and fair trade..improve their economy, install a touch of socialism to get the money more equally disbursed, etc..and then get the ones already here on the books and paying taxes/paid a living wage and get hired on their skill and merit verses on being the nickle a hour worker



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by kerazeesicko
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Actually it is not...I am talking about the people who think...if your mexican then you gotta be illegal.

Do you support the Arizona Sheriff who can stop anyone and ask for papers proving your American...so he basically started committing civil right violations against Latina's...stopping them for no reason..and such?

Ok, first off, the guy questioning the morons is a doofus. Wearing a mask, to confront morons?


Sorry, but Illegal is Illegal.
Mexican does not by default equal illegal.
WAY big difference.

And to state that they are right wing? Really? Stretch the truth much?



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 02:59 PM
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I think it's real important to note here that I'm right leaning myself and make no point of hiding that fact. I'm not ashamed of it, nor should I be. Having said that and in reply to your point on the OP, not every right minded person sees this kind of vile hate as attractive or positive at all.

If I found myself between a gang of violent blacks like happened at a couple fairs over the summer...and to my other side was this fruit loop and HIS bunch..I believe I'd be truly torn as to which side I ought to fight FIRST. That both sides were enemies wouldn't even enter my mind as a point to question...and I'm as white as HE is.

Racism and hate isn't a partisan thing and this piece of garbage personifies the physical manifestation of Evil in concept if nothing else. Certainly don't compare his brand of hate with others here in such a casual way. He's in a class of scum all his own..and a few like minded people with him



On the actual topic? The Law of the United States of America states clearly that those who have not entered this nation by means of our immigration system or a temporary status granted in the form of a Visa or policies regarding tourist visits by non-visa nations are guilty of a federal crime by simply standing here, in America. They need not speak, walk or interact with anyone or anything to be guilty of that FEDERAL CRIME. Just stand here...on American soil...without legal status. If there are problems with that, stop attacking every American who supports the rule of law...and go CHANGE the law if you feel that strongly about it. Enough with just pretending laws don't exist. This is the second President to govern with that attitude and America is getting sick of it.

When THEIR home nation will allow immigrants to just flow in and out out their cities like the ocean tides, then I'll listen to how bad WE are. Mexico, for instance, has one of the more UNFORGIVING and PUNITIVE policies against illegals across THEIR southern border among Western nations. They enforce this without pity or mercy while having the unmitigated NERVE to complain about the U.S. actually deporting their people for breaking the same law here. At least we don't imprison THEIR people for years at a stretch JUST for being here once...as THEY DO to THEIR illegals on THEIR southern border.


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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 03:00 PM
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A nickel an hour?
Really?
When I lived in AZ, I say the Construction sites, and the illegals working. They drove the new F350s and nice cars.
When you are paid cash under the table, the money is really really nice.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 03:03 PM
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I think it would be easier to simply take away the incentives.

I understand that it would be impractical and even immoral to ship away ten million people(or more) out of the country.

But at the same time we have to be proactive. With the illegals who want to work and provide for their families comes the criminal element that is tearing Mexico apart piece by piece today. We need to increase our efforts at the border and moreover we need to make sure all employers must remove any incentive for illegals to come.

In my opinion the real problem with illegal immigration aren't the guys at home depot looking for work. It's the guys who traffic in women and girls for prostitution, drugs, guns, and gang activities.

People seem to believe that all opposition to illegal immigration is a matter of not wanting more brown people in. That may be true for a thin minority of racist pricks in this country, but it isn't true for the over all population who want laws enforced and their communities safe from the criminal element being dragged across the border every single day.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 04:16 PM
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Interesting.
I see the OP is not against the use of stereotyping and prejudice.
Because Nazi extremists certainly typify anyone whose opinion is to enforce the law or provide fairness to legal aliens.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 04:33 PM
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Not everyone who is against illegal immigration is racist. Just because we want our laws enforced and want fairness and what is right, does not mean we are racist. Illegal is not a race.

We have literally millions of illegal immigrants taking jobs away from citizens and lowering working rates. We have literally thousands of citizens who have lost their lives because of illegals who have had prevous arrests and deportations. We have these people coming in without background or health checks.

We have illegals who are collecting welfare and foodstamps and getting free healthcare, while many of our poor citizens are not. It cost us billions to educate their children, for welfare services, healthcare, prison care etc. All the while, these illegals have pushed themselves to the head of the line before all our respectful people who come here throguh the proper channels and are still waiting. Talk about arrogant.

And with all that we have given them, you see them protesting for more and more. They are never satisfied.

Sorry, but there is no good coming from illegal immigration at all. It has gone on way too long and citizens and those coming here through the proper channels are pissed and have every right.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 04:36 PM
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The illegals bring ALL of this onto themselves!!!! They have NOBODY to blame other than THEMSELVES!! Either GET LEGAL and start PAYING TAXES, or go the hell BACK to where you came from.

And people of brown skin should NOT be mad at folks like these guys, they should be MAD at ILLEGALS who are the REAL CAUSE of the problems in the FIRST PLACE!!!!!!

People from nearly every country have come here LEGALLY and are welcome. Nobody has issues with that.

It is absolutely unacceptable to defend these ILLEGALS who are CRIMINALS!!!!!! Especially CRIMINALS who are DRAINING this country having NEVER PAID A DIME IN TAXES, while WE the LEGAL citizens are denied anything that our taxes go to when we need them. No free-ride for us and we PAY for it, yet CRIMINALS get a free-ride??!!!!!!

REPEAT: Get legal and START PAYING TAXES or GO the HELL HOME.

Illegals are the ones to blame. Get it RIGHT already!!!!! STOP BLAMING OTHERS!!!!!!



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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn

What is going on in AZ is a political game between those who want illegals here to swell the voting block for certain political groups, and people who want the already existing Federal and State laws to be enforced.


Where are these illegals voting and I do expect you to back it up. Then you can try justifying what you actually said, not what you think you got other people to hear.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 05:03 PM
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1. Mexican is not a race. Neither is Latino. In fact most Mexicans are half white or more.

2. Illegal immigrants are mostly Mexican.

3. Illegal is Illegal.. they are criminals who disrespect our nations laws and exploit a work environment that only wishes to exploit them. Regardless of what "race" or ethnicity someone is .. you break the law entering this country you should be deported along with your children and never allowed to apply for citizenship. The Arizona law (which several states have and like projectvxn excellently puts it: It's a political game) is not "racial profiling" because the vast majority of illegals are Hispanic.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 05:19 PM
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I don't think we should deport every illegal.

There is a way to take care of the problem but I don't think that we should break up families who have been here for 10 to 15 years and have deep roots to their community. I don't think we should break up families.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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Would you be able to tell the difference between an illegal who has been here since age 3 and speaks English with no accent and a legal US citizen of Mexican descent who was born here?

Are Mexicans-Americans the only ones that would have to carry around their papers everywhere they go?



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 05:26 PM
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Would you be able to tell the difference between an illegal who has been here since age 3 and speaks English with no accent and a legal US citizen of Mexican descent who was born here?


No.. hence the need for some kind of identity verification that all US citizens should have (like a passport) that would also be very difficult for an illegal to obtain. It's possible, but only if the Government actually wants to stop Illegals from coming here .... which they don't.



Are Mexicans-Americans the only ones that would have to carry around their papers everywhere they go?


Every American should have a secure identification that is not easy to exploit and would not inconvenience us (such as the National ID program .. but only if it were secure)



There is a way to take care of the problem but I don't think that we should break up families who have been here for 10 to 15 years and have deep roots to their community. I don't think we should break up families.


We shouldn't actively try and root out illegals living normal lives here .. we need to enforce the border and stop playing mr. nice guy. But whether you're here for 3 months or 20 years .. if you get caught in any situation that exposes your legal status: Bye bye. I have no sympathy for any illegal, if your family is broken to pieces it's only by your own actions.
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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 05:32 PM
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There isn't a single illegal parent who doesn't know the risks of coming here illegally. They know full well that they could be seperated from their famiies. I for one think that the entire families should go back to their country of origin together.

No illegal shoud have the right to jump to the front of the line before someone who is coming here through the proper channels. That is bold, arrogant and disrespectful.

And before I hear about the poor illegal who just wants a better life...our own people couldn't afford to leave their backyard ,never mind leave the country and spend all kinds of money on stolen identities and fraudulaent paperwork. It is not cheap to come here illegally.
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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 05:34 PM
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So you agree then that every one should carry their identification papers every where they go? Even if they are just out in the street walking their dogs? After all, you never know when a cop is going to snap and decide to arrest you for whatever reason.

Can't wait until the day that I have to carry my papers everywhere, and go through random street checks, just so I can be safe from illegals


I think that if you have a family here, and have a job and haven't done any crime since entering the country illegal then you should be given a shot. Not instant citizenship but I think they should be made legal and be forced to pay taxes.
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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 05:51 PM
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Damn, I cant beleive that immigration is still an issue with the sate of affairs in the world. We really wont see it comming.

People have been roaming the earth in mass since the dawn of time. Its a slow process of breeding and adapting to favor certain traits as the environment demands. Let us remember that we are all nomadic at heart.

If anything should be looked for in the process, it is the reason why people are moving. If by the standards of the day people are being deprived of something that is actually theirs, then claims of what is actualy theirs become useless and so invalid. When by accepted standards people come and go happily upon the face of the earth no issue is looked for and expecialy not the reason why.

So why now...is it because something that is yours is being deprived of you...work, wealth, ect....the issue is that you dont have those things in good measure...That being a separate issue, it can have something to do with immigration but really its something more vital that is failing.

Immigration fuss is wool over our eyes...Wealth is the new hot commodity and now a little bit is worth more. You want a crap job so you can eat? Want a crap house you´ll never afford to finish paying?
Good boy, now if you are good you can have a nice lil box with a comfy blanket, be bad and ill put you out on the porch and feefee will sleep in your crap box and have your smelly but comfy lil blanket. Dont be jealous as I praise her and scorn you. She gets to eat first and out of your bowl because you barked at me when I was getting the dog food out of the bag.

Yeah be pissed at feefee....she is clearly the prick in this situation...




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