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Originally posted by Helious
Originally posted by godWhisperer
reply to post by Helious
you say heterosexual people are ok to raise kids.
you say homosexual people are not ok to raise kids.
that is a double standard. you say a set of people get one standard while the other set of people get another standard.
This is not a double standard. Heterosexual people raise kids because they have them. Homosexual people are not ok to raise kids because they don't have them. Where is the double standard?
Originally posted by sonnny1
Originally posted by Helious
The one thing I ask is that you keep our kids out of it, they don't belong too you and they never will.
Hmmmmm........
My children don't belong to you either. Your children don't belong to me. Its up to a parent to decide how to raise a child. Its up to the child to become who he/her wants to become. You can only hold your child's hand up the path for so long.Questions..........Are you afraid your children will become gay? Are you afraid of what someone you know,family members,friends,will think about you? Do you teach tolerance,or intolerance to your children? Would you be mad at your God if a Gay person saved one of your children's life ? Would you chastise your child for living? Seriously,we are all humans on this little planet. Love a little more.............
Originally posted by Helious
Originally posted by sonnny1
Originally posted by Helious
The one thing I ask is that you keep our kids out of it, they don't belong too you and they never will.
Hmmmmm........
My children don't belong to you either. Your children don't belong to me. Its up to a parent to decide how to raise a child. Its up to the child to become who he/her wants to become. You can only hold your child's hand up the path for so long.Questions..........Are you afraid your children will become gay? Are you afraid of what someone you know,family members,friends,will think about you? Do you teach tolerance,or intolerance to your children? Would you be mad at your God if a Gay person saved one of your children's life ? Would you chastise your child for living? Seriously,we are all humans on this little planet. Love a little more.............
hmm, very insightful and zen like. Are you gay? If not will you teach your children at a young age about that option in sexual preference in life and inform them that it s a perfectly normal and average choice? Give me a break........ Your argument is devoid of common sense and is obviously a ploy at pretending to agree with what you view as the majority of this thread. If I am wrong, I am sorry but in honesty, that is what I perceive from your post.
Originally posted by Helious
hmm, very insightful and zen like. Are you gay? If not will you teach your children at a young age about that option in sexual preference in life and inform them that it s a perfectly normal and average choice? Give me a break........ Your argument is devoid of common sense and is obviously a ploy at pretending to agree with what you view as the majority of this thread. If I am wrong, I am sorry but in honesty, that is what I perceive from your post.
Originally posted by -W1LL
Originally posted by Helious
Originally posted by godWhisperer
reply to post by Helious
you say heterosexual people are ok to raise kids.
you say homosexual people are not ok to raise kids.
that is a double standard. you say a set of people get one standard while the other set of people get another standard.
This is not a double standard. Heterosexual people raise kids because they have them. Homosexual people are not ok to raise kids because they don't have them. Where is the double standard?
so what about a gay person who had kids from a previous marriage i guess they are not qualified to raise them either?
Originally posted by -W1LL
Originally posted by Helious
Originally posted by godWhisperer
reply to post by Helious
you say heterosexual people are ok to raise kids.
you say homosexual people are not ok to raise kids.
that is a double standard. you say a set of people get one standard while the other set of people get another standard.
This is not a double standard. Heterosexual people raise kids because they have them. Homosexual people are not ok to raise kids because they don't have them. Where is the double standard?
so what about a gay person who had kids from a previous marriage i guess they are not qualified to raise them either?
Originally posted by DJDigitalGem
3.) Gay adoption - Seriously?
3.) My answer: The world in it's present state is chaotic at best and while I will fully state that I believe that two people of the same sex can raise a child, love them and be "good" parents, I honestly don't feel like that is healthy for the child, either in the early or the latter years. The cold, hard fact of the matter is, the coupling of two people of the same sex is not natural and children should not be subjected too it, that is why men can not have children with men and women can not conceive with a women. A little thing called "propagation of the species" defines this point of view. We can't very well let our children be pre disposed to a lifestyle while they are impressionable that is not "normal" and by normal I mean it in the sense of propagation of the species, that is not the way and is not in the best interests of our children.
As a lesbian, and a parent of two, I take offense to this. First and foremost, there are WAY too many children "in the system" right now to justify not qualifying gays as parents simply because of their sexual orientation. Children of all ages are being thrown in to a "system" that they don't understand and for reasons that are beyond their control. Their heterosexual parents couldn't take care of them or abused them and they had to be removed from their home.
Let's just take a look at the heterosexual side of this issue.
Scenario 1 - A couple makes a child and lets say husband "Joe" gets off on beating the child. Mother "Jane" doesn't do anything to stop the abuse and, in fact, turns a blind eye to it. The child is (hopefully) removed from that home and placed in "the system". Abused by their wonderful heterosexual parents.... NICE.
Scenario 2 - mother "Jane" is addicted to illegal drugs. She's strung out, has no job and no way to care for her children. She couldn't care less if they have food, shelter or clothing and only cares about feeding her drug habit. The father doesn't want anything to do with her, or the kids. These children are hopefully removed and placed in "the system". Lack of compassion, caring or simple civility keeps this mother from seeing that her children's most basic needs are met.
Scenario 3 - mother "Jane" gets pregnant by daddy "Joe" and neither of them wants a child. She opts out of an abortion but decided to give her child away. The child may, or may not, be privately adopted but either way, it goes in to "the system". Lack of birth control forces this child out of their home.
So all of these stem form the abuse of procreation by heterosexuals, as well as selfishness, addiction and anger. I adopted my children from scenario 2. Their biological mother is strung out on meth and to this day is still wandering the streets of Phoenix. I know this because I have seen her several times. In this woman's case, she lost every single child she ever had, which was a total of five.
As a parent, it's my responsibility to make sure my children have what they need and they do. It's my job to make sure they grow up to be happy, healthy and wise adults. Both of my kids are doing great in school (excelling in fact!), both are healthy and participate in sports, and both are HETEROSEXUAL.
We have conversations with them about the gay and lesbian lifestyle and our oldest wants to protest us not being allowed to get married. Our children are growing up in a home which has seen, tolerated and over come many adversities. We are raising them to be strong, independent women and they are taking the ball and just running with it.
Our children were the product of heterosexuals acting selfishly and irresponsibly. If God can't see that us giving them a good home and a wonderful life isn't a good thing then he must be on CRACK. For those of you out there that don't see the good in this then you should volunteer some time with children in "the system"; it will open your now closed eyes.
Originally posted by Helious
Originally posted by -W1LL
Originally posted by Helious
Originally posted by godWhisperer
reply to post by Helious
you say heterosexual people are ok to raise kids.
you say homosexual people are not ok to raise kids.
that is a double standard. you say a set of people get one standard while the other set of people get another standard.
This is not a double standard. Heterosexual people raise kids because they have them. Homosexual people are not ok to raise kids because they don't have them. Where is the double standard?
so what about a gay person who had kids from a previous marriage i guess they are not qualified to raise them either?
How does a gay person have a child from a previous marriage? Those that are gay preach that it is not choice, so why would a gay person ever have a child from an "ex marriage"? If they were gay since birth, they wouldn't have had a child from a heterosexual marriage, would they?
Originally posted by sonnny1
Originally posted by Helious
hmm, very insightful and zen like. Are you gay? If not will you teach your children at a young age about that option in sexual preference in life and inform them that it s a perfectly normal and average choice? Give me a break........ Your argument is devoid of common sense and is obviously a ploy at pretending to agree with what you view as the majority of this thread. If I am wrong, I am sorry but in honesty, that is what I perceive from your post.
Nope. Not gay at all. I have 3 kids. I teach them to love. I teach them to be tolerant of people,Gay,those with disability's,those who even hate. You didn't answer any of the questions,just attacked the questionnaire. And you want people to debate with you?
Good luck with your GAY bashing thread.
Originally posted by Helious
Originally posted by sonnny1
Originally posted by Helious
hmm, very insightful and zen like. Are you gay? If not will you teach your children at a young age about that option in sexual preference in life and inform them that it s a perfectly normal and average choice? Give me a break........ Your argument is devoid of common sense and is obviously a ploy at pretending to agree with what you view as the majority of this thread. If I am wrong, I am sorry but in honesty, that is what I perceive from your post.
Nope. Not gay at all. I have 3 kids. I teach them to love. I teach them to be tolerant of people,Gay,those with disability's,those who even hate. You didn't answer any of the questions,just attacked the questionnaire. And you want people to debate with you?
Good luck with your GAY bashing thread.
Hmm, good luck with my "gay bashing thread"?. "I have 3 kids". Good luck with raising those kids, if your there role model I can expect they will turn out with very low scores in reading comprehension and Independent thinking as you think the only acceptable speech is that with which you agree and all other is that of hate mongers, domestic terrorists and evil people..... Good luck indeed....
Originally posted by nusnus
I don't have any problems with gay people, but sexual practices like anal sex, fisting etc that take place between same sex people, is disgusting, and an outright abuse of the human body.
The same goes for people who have sex with animals and inanimate objects.
Its not healthy or safe. Why try to make it sound like it is is beyond me.
Originally posted by -W1LL
Originally posted by nusnus
I don't have any problems with gay people, but sexual practices like anal sex, fisting etc that take place between same sex people, is disgusting, and an outright abuse of the human body.
The same goes for people who have sex with animals and inanimate objects.
Its not healthy or safe. Why try to make it sound like it is is beyond me.
LOL straight people do all of those things I dont see your point.
Originally posted by nusnus
Originally posted by -W1LL
Originally posted by nusnus
I don't have any problems with gay people, but sexual practices like anal sex, fisting etc that take place between same sex people, is disgusting, and an outright abuse of the human body.
The same goes for people who have sex with animals and inanimate objects.
Its not healthy or safe. Why try to make it sound like it is is beyond me.
LOL straight people do all of those things I dont see your point.
Yes they do, and thats equally disgusting. But there is this social understanding that the majority of gay men engage in anal sex. And as much as I have no issues with gay people, I still feel weird about supporting a lifestyle that considers anal sex a norm.
Maybe if we were educating our kids into the hazards of such practices along side gay rights, I wouldn't feel at all wrong about supporting them.edit on 2-12-2011 by nusnus because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by -W1LL
Originally posted by nusnus
Originally posted by -W1LL
Originally posted by nusnus
I don't have any problems with gay people, but sexual practices like anal sex, fisting etc that take place between same sex people, is disgusting, and an outright abuse of the human body.
The same goes for people who have sex with animals and inanimate objects.
Its not healthy or safe. Why try to make it sound like it is is beyond me.
LOL straight people do all of those things I dont see your point.
Yes they do, and thats equally disgusting. But there is this social understanding that the majority of gay men engage in anal sex. And as much as I have no issues with gay people, I still feel weird about supporting a lifestyle that considers anal sex a norm.
Maybe if we were educating our kids into the hazards of such practices along side gay rights, I wouldn't feel at all wrong about supporting them.edit on 2-12-2011 by nusnus because: (no reason given)
I understand you think its disgusting but is it really that dangerous?
I mean there are not people going to the emergency room because of anal sex.
to each their own we don't have to support it but we also don't need to teach our kids to judge others because of it.
Originally posted by lambs to lions
reply to post by Saltarello
Absolutely. It is as though their entire lifestyle revolves around their sexual preference.
Originally posted by -W1LL
Originally posted by Helious
Originally posted by facelift
reply to post by Helious
Be gay, be gay all you want, enter into contracts with your rogue government to achieve "marriage". Hold hands, kiss in public, spread your all is love and love is all message and be happy! The one thing I ask is that you keep our kids out of it, they don't belong too you and they never will.
You're so full of double standards that one might come to the conclusion that you have a chemical imbalance, but that's it...so continue to sleep well.
That post is so without merit it only embers with gay people who are reading this thread and like the validity your post brings.
There are no double standards in my post, there are only standards. Care to prove me wrong, I would love the challenge.
destroyer of words with that post..
what gives you the right to generalize a group of people you obviously dont know? and deny them anything especially parenthood...
if you really cared about the kids you should be more interested in the millions of orphans out there with no hope of ever meeting a parent that loves them... hey word here LOVE gay or straight the love of the parents is what matters, and with that love comes dedication caring and self sacrifice something gay people are capable of, sorry I dont have a fake statistic to back that up, its true non the less.
Originally posted by -W1LL
Originally posted by Helious
Originally posted by godWhisperer
reply to post by Helious
you say heterosexual people are ok to raise kids.
you say homosexual people are not ok to raise kids.
that is a double standard. you say a set of people get one standard while the other set of people get another standard.
This is not a double standard. Heterosexual people raise kids because they have them. Homosexual people are not ok to raise kids because they don't have them. Where is the double standard?
so what about a gay person who had kids from a previous marriage i guess they are not qualified to raise them either?