The big thread about being gay.

Originally posted by godWhisperer

Originally posted by Helious

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Helious


hmm, very insightful and zen like. Are you gay? If not will you teach your children at a young age about that option in sexual preference in life and inform them that it s a perfectly normal and average choice? Give me a break........ Your argument is devoid of common sense and is obviously a ploy at pretending to agree with what you view as the majority of this thread. If I am wrong, I am sorry but in honesty, that is what I perceive from your post.

Nope. Not gay at all. I have 3 kids. I teach them to love. I teach them to be tolerant of people,Gay,those with disability's,those who even hate. You didn't answer any of the questions,just attacked the questionnaire. And you want people to debate with you?

Good luck with your GAY bashing thread.

Hmm, good luck with my "gay bashing thread"?. "I have 3 kids". Good luck with raising those kids, if your there role model I can expect they will turn out with very low scores in reading comprehension and Independent thinking as you think the only acceptable speech is that with which you agree and all other is that of hate mongers, domestic terrorists and evil people..... Good luck indeed....

how are their spelling and grammar scores?

Did I ever mention spelling or grammar? This is the thing with some of you, you have 0 comprehension. You attack or insist something that just isn't there and completely ignore that your blatantly wrong.

Please provide a response that has any merit as it pertains to the actual topic and not just try to gain stars by appealing to those you think will agree with your one line tag phrase that has absolutely no meaning or bearing on the subject matter at hand.

Originally posted by el1jah
reply to post by Helious

 

So your argument is not that gays can or cannot raise a child, but is based on nature, because two males or two females dont produce a child, they shouldnt be capable, or have the right to raise a child. Am i right?

Look man, two monkey can raise a kid, for better or worse, have that argument with somebody else. My argument comes in when you think about if they should........

The answer is no and it's a no brainier.

reply to post by Helious

Your response is a little vague, what I was asking was not to attack you, I really want to better understand where you are coming from. You are the one making your answer a 'no brainer', by arriving at the conclusion so stark but without reason beyond your own feeling on the subject.

So I will ask again why you think it is wrong, is it based on nature; the fact that if you stick two men or two women in a room they wont produce a baby, or is it based on the idea that two men or two women cannot meet the requirements both phyiscally and emotionally, that lead to a healthy environment to raise a child. Or is there another avenue of thought I am missing?

reply to post by Helious


it has everything to do with what you were saying, you just can't see it. were your parents heterosexual? of course they were. look at your posts. maybe a child raised by homosexual parents could teach you the difference between "your" and "you're" or the difference between "there" and "their", for instance.

it has everything to do with what you were saying because it was you refuting your own point.

Originally posted by el1jah
reply to post by Helious

 

Your response is a little vague, what I was asking was not to attack you, I really want to better understand where you are coming from. You are the one making your answer a 'no brainer', by arriving at the conclusion so stark but without reason beyond your own feeling on the subject.

So I will ask again why you think it is wrong, is it based on nature; the fact that if you stick two men or two women in a room they wont produce a baby, or is it based on the idea that two men or two women cannot meet the requirements both phyiscally and emotionally, that lead to a healthy environment to raise a child. Or is there another avenue of thought I am missing?

edit on 2-12-2011 by el1jah because: (no reason given)

I appreciate your response. I think we can both skip the first paragraph. I will address the question you ask in your second paragraph.

A: It is based on nature, that is because nature knows best, this is not subjective and is fact. It is also based on proper education and continuation of our history and human evolution and growth. We can not continue to grow as a species based on same sex coupling. Besides, girls really like penis regardless if other more "lesbian" women like to say they don't.

B. Just stop, it is a tiny little majority who has alot to say, way to much and way too often.... Shhhhhh

C. Ask they porn industry how there doing with there gay porn........... I can give you a hint...... Not good.

Originally posted by Helious
A: It is based on nature, that is because nature knows best, this is not subjective and is fact. It is also based on proper education and continuation of our history and human evolution and growth. We can not continue to grow as a species based on same sex coupling.

Oddly enough, there's on going debate about whether or not nature cares or not, and whether or not nature naturally produces good results or not. In fact, it's one of the centre debates about life in the universe ... if nature naturally goes towards positive results and life ... why are we having such a big trouble finding aliens?

You would have to write at least 50k+ words to have a point on this subject.

Besides, girls really like penis regardless if other more "lesbian" women like to say they don't.

This is great!

You have a hypothesis. Do it. We do have the ability to show when a human brain is experiencing pleasure ... so with the relevant equipment and a helpful lesbian person you should be able to get instant results! I guarantee this experiment might not go how you plan, but it will be very entertaining once you upload it to youtube.

Originally posted by godWhisperer
reply to post by Helious

 

it has everything to do with what you were saying, you just can't see it. were your parents heterosexual? of course they were. look at your posts. maybe a child raised by homosexual parents could teach you the difference between "your" and "you're" or the difference between "there" and "their", for instance.

it has everything to do with what you were saying because it was you refuting your own point.

Why should a child be raised by homosexual parents? I'm at a loss where that is seriously ok? Homosexual parents is an oxy moron in fact. There are not homosexual parents because homosexuals can not have children.

Should we now have transsexual parents, cross-dresser parents? After all, there is nothing wrong with those people, they were born that way, they should get kids if they want!! for sure!!! Hey, they people who really feel strongly about choking and anal sex should get a shot at parenting kids too, who are we too judge, we can't decide what kids are subject to when we are considering political correctness?

Originally posted by Helious

1.) Gay marriage - Should it be allowed or should it not be allowed?

Absolutely it should be allowed. While I don't believe marriage is a right protected by the Constitution, it is a legal, binding contract. Gays should be allowed to enter into the same contract as anyone else.

2.) Gay rights - Is that even a real thing?

No, it's not a real thing. "Gay rights" indicates that that gays have special rights that others do not. What rights should anyone have that any of us don't? We have one Constitution, and we're all protected by it.

3.) Gay adoption - Seriously?

You don't learn "gay". It occurs in nature. Humans that are gay were born that way. Adopting a child is a wonderful act of love that tens of thousands of children don't get to experience because not enough straight couples are adopting them. The opportunity should be opened for gays, once they are allowed to be joined in marriage or a civil union, to adopt.

/TOA

reply to post by Helious

Nature does know best. Our species cannot continue if we are all gay, you are right. Thats probably why not everyone is gay. I wont even get into all the gay animal studies, you can research that yourself if you are curious about homosexual relationships in nature, those are 'facts' too.

We are doing just fine population wise, in fact, if the average person would adopt rather than follow 'natures way', the world would be a more balanced and better place for those lost kids 'in the system' or in damaged nations. Like I mentioned earlier, people are motivated by selfish ideas, so they would rather have their 'own' kids instead of adopting, self actualize through becoming a parent, creating a little you- Thats not always the case, gay or straight it is a potential problem. My lady and I will adopt long before we have our own, it was discussed pretty early on.

Back to being gay, and the culture and education of it all, I just dont buy into this idea. True human culture is to love, to share, to conquer, to work, to grow and change. All that has been a constant in human culture is the emotional experiences of mankind, not the outer clothing of their nations and flags. or even sexual orientations, people have always been gay, and straight, its just always been, so there is nothing misplaced about it culturally unless we look at the outer garb, the books and treaties and laws against it.

At an even more 'real' level, there are vast spiritual truths, that I dont see the point of getting into with you unless you are truly interested, that make this issue of homosexuality obsolete, and thats from both ends, vocalizing for or against it is useless, to embrace the soul in each human, and its make up of both male and female energies, is the truth greater than the issue at hand.

29Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. Matt22, 29

As the angels are, genderless.

Ill skip all the gay animal studies and just ask that the gay people out there accept that others are fine with you being gay but hush up about kids now. There is no logical argument and it irritates everyone else who is not some new age screwtard.

reply to post by Helious


Come on, I cant take you seriously if you are calling me or anyone a 'new age screwtard'. You may speak for yourself and even a large number of others who you are claiming 'we are ok with you being gay, but leave the kids out of it'. I would call that tolerance. I am sure when black people were allowed to sit and stand where ever they wanted, they were tolerated in a simillar way, while people kept their truth to themselves since it was no longer socially acceptable to say it.

I've been twhere you are on this very subect, in fact if you talked to me a few years ago I most likely would have agreed with you. The only thing thats actually going on is fear, Im not being arrogant, I may sound like a new age screw loose hippie beeotch, but look inside, the energy of fear is what makes you feel to have any stance on the subject let alone a negative one. edit again: Im sorry for being judgmental, I felt I had to say that.

And for the record, anal sex is completely unnatural- and I am pro love, pro soul, pro truth, pro open minded, not pro gay or pro adoption for gays or pro gay marriage, those are secondary to my willingness to be open minded to what is good, nevermind what I think or have been educated to think is right and wrong.

edit: and I dont think we have the faculty to even begin understanding (scientifically) what makes people gay, let alone whether it is so wrong or so right, the fact is people are, I have had people close enough to me from childhood, before I knew what gay was, that grew up and then 'came out' if you will... this is evidence personal to me that they were born that way.

Personally, with the way heterosexuals have obliterated the "sanctity of marriage" I don't see why it's a big deal if gays and lesbians get married. Me, well.... I don't know if I want to join that hellish circus myself lol. I'd be happy with a good old civil union between me and my GF.

Heterosexuals have, for the most part, destroyed the idea of marriage in my book. Just watch an episode of Maury and you'll see!

"I slept with five men and don't know who my baby daddy is."
"I cheated on my wife with her sister and I don't know if her baby is mine."
"My husband is a cheat and fathered my best friends baby."
"My 40 year old wife left me for a 19 year old."

And it goes on and on and on...... Yeah, there's real sanctity in marriage these days.....

I'm going to be a little blunt here: What a load of crock.

1.) Gay marriage - Should it be allowed or should it not be allowed?

If I can quote Liz Feldman: “It’s very dear to me, the issue of gay marriage. Or as I like to call it: ‘marriage.’ You know, because I had lunch this afternoon, not gay lunch. I parked my car; I didn’t gay park it.”

I hate when people simply post videos to make a point, but I cannot make the point any better than this: The video tells the story of a couple. And you'll notice that it's similar to millions of other stories:



See? it may just as well have been a woman's point of view. The average gay couple is no different than the average heterosexual couple. Marriage shouldn't be an issue or even a question. Full stop.

2.) Gay rights - Is that even a real thing?

All humans should be treated equally. Basic human rights. Nothing more to be said. Gays shouldn't get "special rights" simply because they're gay. They should just be treated as equals. So we agree.

3.) Gay adoption - Seriously?

Moments ago we agreed that everyone should be treated equally, but then you throw the "but" in there? Sounds a bit hypocritical in my opinion...

Let's have a quick glance at how heterosexual parents are doing:

Let's consider the amount of teen pregnancies:

Each year, almost 750,000 U.S. women aged 15–19 become pregnant. Two-thirds of all teen pregnancies occur among 18–19-year-olds.
Teen mothers account for 11% of all births in the US.
Source

Let's think about what you said... You'd rather have a child be raised by a 16 year old teenager without the common sense of using a condom, than a gay couple?

Or let's consider the alternative:

Women aged 15–19 had 200,420 abortions in 2006.
27% of all teen pregnancies end in abortion.
Source

You'd rather have a child be aborted (read: killed) than have it raised by a homosexual couple?

And let's not get stuck on teenagers... How many heterosexual parents are incapable of caring for their children?

In 2009 2400 babies were abandoned in South Africa alone.

n 2001, approximately 127,000 babies were placed for adoption in the United States, according to the Child Welfare Information Gateway. The reasons that women give for choosing to give their babies up for adoption, as opposed to having an abortion or electing to raise the child, vary by circumstance. In most cases, placing a baby for adoption is an act of love, and the birth mother wants the best possible life for her child.
Source

That’s right. 127,000 parents didn't want their children or was unable to take care of their children.

In 2009 there were 114,562 children in Public Foster Care who were waiting to be adopted. In the US alone. Please review more statistics

You would rather see children stay in Foster care than have gay parents care for them?

And those hammering the "a child should have a mom and a dad" train of thought... Do you know how many single parents there are out there? Do you know the current divorce rate? Oh? It's OK for a single parent to raise a child alone, but god forbid a gay couple provide a stable environment for a child...

In 2009, the overall divorce rate was around 9/1000 in the United States...This resulted in about 1.5% (around 1 million) children living in the house of a recently divorced parent in the same year.
Source

And should we address the amount of child abuse by parents going on?

I don't see why homosexual people should " keep our kids out of it, they don't belong too you and they never will"!? There are so many heterosexual parents incapable of caring for their children. I don't see why homosexual couples should be denied the opportunity to care for lonely, neglected, abused or homeless children simply because some people are homophobic... Homosexual couples (and single parents) are just as capable as any heterosexual couple to raise a child. They have exactly the same amount of love and care to give - in some cases even more. You are denying a child a stable home. You are denying a child love. You are denying a child the opportunity at a better life. Much like taking candy from a baby. Do you feel good about yourself?

Originally posted by nusnus
I don't have any problems with gay people, but sexual practices like anal sex, fisting etc that take place between same sex people, is disgusting, and an outright abuse of the human body.

The same goes for people who have sex with animals and inanimate objects.

Its not healthy or safe. Why try to make it sound like it is is beyond me.

I have NEVER "fisted" any GF of mine, nor would I ever have any desire to. I think you've been watching too many bad porn's made by dirty old men. Why do you care what we (gays and lesbians) do in our bedrooms anyway?? We don't care what you're doing in your bedroom so why do you care so much about what we are doing?

Like other adults in this country, the majority of lesbians and gay men are in stable committed relationships..some of these relationships have problems, as do some heterosexual relationships.The adoption and foster care screening process is very rigorous, including extensive home visits and interviews of prospective parents. It is designed to screen out those individuals who are not qualified to adopt or be foster parents, for whatever reason. All of the evidence shows that lesbians and gay men can and do make good parents.

Research, observed that "not a single study has found children of gay or lesbian parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents," and concluded that "home environments provided by gay and lesbian parents are as likely as those provided by heterosexual parents to support and enable children's psychosocial growth." That is why the Child Welfare League of America, the nation's oldest children's advocacy organization, and the North American Council on Adoptable Children say that gays and lesbians seeking to adopt should be evaluated just like any other adoptive..

The children of lesbian and gay parents grow up as happy, healthy and well-adjusted as the children of heterosexual parents.Just my 2 cents. peace,ssugarcookie1.

reply to post by Gemwolf


Thank You very much for this Post !!!!!!

I am a heterosexual male,and I fully agree with your line of thinking.I have children,that look past color,or gender,or sexual preference. It is the right way to teach our youth.

This thread is marred in OP OPINION,and yet I see fine posts being given,in argument against the OP's,with facts. I wasn't going to author anymore in this thread,at risk of Personal attacks,but I had to,after reading this.

reply to post by rexusdiablos


This is precisely why I no longer take ATS seriously as a source of intelligent discussion.

It's been reduced to being the little brother to GLP.

reply to post by Helious

1.) Gay marriage

Sure why not? I mean honestly what does that say about my marriage if i feel that two dudes bumping uglies somehow degrades it.

2.) Gay rights

NO NO NO
NO GAY RIGHTS!!! Rights are for everyone, gays do not get their own special rights. The constitution does not exclude anyone (anymore). Gay rights just opens the door for more restrictions.

3.) Gay adoption

Why not? If two people are going to raise a child and give it a loving home why not? I mean really, should a child have to grow up in social services because people are too dumb to take 5 mins and think? Let them adopt a kid, and hold them to the same standards as any other couple.

Originally posted by Gemwolf
I'm going to be a little blunt here: What a load of crock.

1.) Gay marriage - Should it be allowed or should it not be allowed?

If I can quote Liz Feldman: “It’s very dear to me, the issue of gay marriage. Or as I like to call it: ‘marriage.’ You know, because I had lunch this afternoon, not gay lunch. I parked my car; I didn’t gay park it.”

Thankyou for that part, I nearly spat my drink out...

True, so very true. We don't go to gay work, drive gay cars, go out for a gay drink, and neither do gay people. And honestly they are about the only ones who don't draw attention to that fact. My 2nd in charge is about as lesbian as they come, and she is the most amazing, beautiful person I have ever met. So if we go down that road, each day we have lunch at the same it must be gay lunch. Funny, it always seemed like a pretty normal lunch to me...