Occupy Portland Prepares For War

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by el1jah

 

I highly doubt that most Occupy folks want to confront the police.

Where I live, the local Occupy movement is taking a lot of flack from the local Gannett-owned daily as well as the local Fox station, which sent a reporter undercover to report back on the movement (probably a plant to stir up trouble). The media started with talks about the cold weather and now there's been a (self-inflicted) shooting. They seemingly will do anything to get these people to go home, which is why people must stand their ground.

Come now Sword.........

People are tired of agent provocateur around EVERY corner of OWS. If you have a home,I suggest you go to it,and take some of the less fortunate OWS supporters,or homeless with you. You would be doing them a favor. You can always protest tomorrow. There not moving the Parks or area where OWS has made Camp. Thats If you believe OWS is here to stay,like you say......................

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine

 

Never in my life has a cop ever laid an hand on me or club me and it takes 2 for that little dance.

does that justify your bias for them though?

the actions of police lately indicate their main purpose is still protection of state interests over the citizenry.
while I agree we must limit and maintain a certain amount of order over the citizens, if the powers that be were willing to delegate with protestors or at least discuss why their goals are not attainable in direct communication then confrontation would not be an option.

since when is a gas mask a weapon?

reply to post by 4FreeDom4all


This is the official description of Saturdays events from OWS Portland:

Action envisioned include:

a mass of people, singing and chanting, circling the encampment Saturday night on foot and bicycle;bikeportland.org...
www.crankmychain.com...
food: empanadas, pizza, cake, locally-grown fruits and vegetables;
music: guitars, drums, shakers, singalongs;
more signs: creative signs, funny signs, home-made signs with memorable slogans;
playful costumes (warm and fuzzy ones, bunny suits, Portland at its weird and wonderful best);
dancing all night long.

occupyportland.org...

bunny suits.. wtf, I dunno..

OWS is trying to cover up their own issues within the camp (and hey, good for them, just don't deny it happened)

Mike Withey, a member of the finance and safety committees, tells WW that police told him they had recovered stashes of flares from a tent, and they found wooden planks placed beneath park railings with nails facing up. He also said he had seen planks with nails hammered in them stacked at the chessboards in Lownsdale Plaza.

"There are some people [in camp] who are so mentally and emotionally underdeveloped that they would" dig holes and hide in trees, said Reid Parham, an Occupy Portland media committee member. "The justifications they create for violent confrontations are not appropriate, not productive, and I'm kind of at a loss for how to talk them down."

www.wweek.com...

Of course... this is a message from the same people that this week held a protest within the protest about the protest. Effectively occupying the occupation?

No. No no no no no.
Do it right or not at all!
Whats the point of escalating the conflict to a level where you can't win?

It is possible to protect yourselves against attacks from the police.
It is even possible to engage in asymmetrical street fighting and temporarily win...
However, it is impossible to defend a static occupation with shields and clubs.

One trained guy with a suppressed and scoped .22 in a hotel window could own the whole police dept. I would never wish that but that is reality.

*edit* with some sub-sonic ammo so you don't get that sonic "crack"


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reply to post by Rockpuck


This. Absolutely this. I'd love to like cops. I'd like to be able to look at them like a firefighter, or an EMT, someone who performs a necessary, beneficial, and sometimes dangerous service for the community. If someday I wind up with a kid, I'd like them to be able to see police officer as an honorable, admirable profession.

But to accomplish this, there would need to be a massive purge of America's police culture, which seems to be set to the mentality that they are soldiers under seige, and we are all the enemy.

'Course there also needs to be a reawakening of the notion that civil service is admirable in our nation as well...

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


I really don't see anything happening anytime soon. I'd like to see police ban hiring of soldiers who have been in warzones and drastically increase the number of females on the force, as well as completely remodeling the way the police structure is set up .. which is much like the military.

(and to all those who will flame me for being against soldiers being cops .. there is a reason why our founding fathers expressly forbade the military from police duties. Hiring soldiers as police officers is absolutely no different than having the military as our police.)

Originally posted by dc4lifeskater

Would you have said that to our founding fathers? You think they won the war with peaceful protesting?

If it were up to you we would be speaking proper english and having a spot of tea every afternoon spending our quid on liters of petrol.

Except that the mayority of the occupy movement want to end what the founding fathers of the U.S. started... They want a "One World social Order", which is exactly what the socialist elites want...

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by TheWalkingFox

 

I really don't see anything happening anytime soon. I'd like to see police ban hiring of soldiers who have been in warzones and drastically increase the number of females on the force, as well as completely remodeling the way the police structure is set up .. which is much like the military.

Very true... Flag draped casket, 21 gun salute....

U

Originally posted by MegasAlexandros
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If only I were in command. We would be sitting on the White House lawn.

You mean in front of your house with probably nothing to show but injuries all over the place?...

Don't tell me, you play a lot of online games and you think that makes you some sort of "commander"....

Kids these days...

Originally posted by Resinveins
reply to post by jcord

 

My integrity matters more to me than worrying over that. It's really that simple.

Integrity is not relevent. You do not know who you are talking to. I put my money where my mouth is and got the hell out. I only wish you could see then you would know.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


One thing that really needs to go in this nation is this absurd fetishization of our "founding fathers." They weren't divine beings, folks, nor was the founding document of our nation a bolt from the blue.

As-written by those "founding fathers," we are a slave nation where only the wealthy are permitted to wield any political power, where half of our legislative branch is to be installed at the whim of the executive branch. Our first handful of acts as a nascent nation were to smash agrarian uprisings of poor renters who wanted a say in governance, a protracted war of extermination against our western neighbors in the Iroquois League, and siding with the french to use our naval power to make sure the self-liberated slaves of Haiti paid their former masters back with interest for all that lost "property."

This isn't "oh, woe is us, we're terrible and evil." It's just perspective - our early leaders were fallible, and very much so. Some of their ideas were actually pretty bad (there's a reason most nations follow a multiparty parliamentary system rather than a winner-take-all system like we have) and others are actually really rather antiquated, going on three hundred years later.

Point is, they weren't prophets and the constitution is not holy writ. If you want to fall to your knees in worship at the National Archives, feel free to go do that. Just know that it's awfully silly.

Originally posted by Resinveins
reply to post by jcord

 

My integrity matters more to me than worrying over that. It's really that simple.

You are funny. Here is some synchronicity for you. You quote Jung when Jung was one of them. You do not understand the world you live in.

Edit
Resinveins, I am not trying to be mean, but look at my stars. Think about what I am saying to you.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
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(and to all those who will flame me for being against soldiers being cops .. there is a reason why our founding fathers expressly forbade the military from police duties. Hiring soldiers as police officers is absolutely no different than having the military as our police.)

edit on 11/12/2011 by Rockpuck because: (no reason given)

No... Back in the day EVERY citizen was a soldier, what they didn't have, or want was to use the army/navy to police the streets because that would make a dictatorship of the United States.

There was once another Republic in which once all power was consolidated to ONE man, the ceasar, he was able to use his armies to mantain all control, and once he was able to consolidate all that power he was able to destroy a once prosperous Republic.

That Republic also decayed slowly at first, and from within, as slowly but surely power became more and more consolidated, until at the end one man had all that power.

The founding fathers of the U.S. tried to stop the same thing from happening to the U.S. which is why they wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights within it.

But with time people forget history and it repeats itself. More so when you indoctrinate throughout the decades by deceiving the people into believing that consolidating all power to the state, in the name of the people and for the good of the planet, that all problems will be solved...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Right, you don't want to preach history to me.

And my point being, they did not want a professional army "patrolling the streets" .. but there is absolutely no difference from taking professionally trained and battle hardened soldiers and placing them into a Police force that is built in the same manor as the professional army, and having the professional army be the police. It's the same individuals. The same mentality.


With complete immunity on top of that!

reply to post by Rockpuck


I appreciate your response. I read your link. Point taken. However, you gotta hand it to 'em, it seems that the protest organizers are doing what they can to police themselves and remove those that could be considered to be mentally ill or potentially violent. They really can't prevent certain derelict people from showing up there, but they can direct those same individuals to the organizations that will provide them with help.

www.wweek.com...
Reid Parham, an Occupy Portland media committee member, "said Occupation organizers have begun going tent-to-tent today to remove weapons and dissuade campers from attacking police. About 30 workers from social service groups have also arrived in camp today, trying to assist homeless people in relocating to shelters."

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
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As-written by those "founding fathers," we are a slave nation where only the wealthy are permitted to wield any political power, where half of our legislative branch is to be installed at the whim of the executive branch.

Really?... And where exactly is that writtten in the Constitution?... or did you just made that up?...

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Our first handful of acts as a nascent nation were to smash agrarian uprisings of poor renters who wanted a say in governance, a protracted war of extermination against our western neighbors in the Iroquois League, and siding with the french to use our naval power to make sure the self-liberated slaves of Haiti paid their former masters back with interest for all that lost "property."

You surely have a knack for twisting history for your party's agenda...

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Point is, they weren't prophets and the constitution is not holy writ. If you want to fall to your knees in worship at the National Archives, feel free to go do that. Just know that it's awfully silly.

What is awfully silly is to believe one such as you.

What sort of government you want?... I am pretty sure it sides on the far left of the equation right?... Or am I wrong?...

reply to post by USarmyFL


a .22 from a hotel window?

I hate to break it to you, but the US Constitution is the greatest psyop in history.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
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As-written by those "founding fathers," we are a slave nation where only the wealthy are permitted to wield any political power, where half of our legislative branch is to be installed at the whim of the executive branch.

Really?... And where exactly is that writtten in the Constitution?... or did you just made that up?...

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Our first handful of acts as a nascent nation were to smash agrarian uprisings of poor renters who wanted a say in governance, a protracted war of extermination against our western neighbors in the Iroquois League, and siding with the french to use our naval power to make sure the self-liberated slaves of Haiti paid their former masters back with interest for all that lost "property."

You surely have a knack for twisting history for your party's agenda...

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Point is, they weren't prophets and the constitution is not holy writ. If you want to fall to your knees in worship at the National Archives, feel free to go do that. Just know that it's awfully silly.

What is awfully silly is to believe one such as you.

What sort of government you want?... I am pretty sure it sides on the far left of the equation right?... Or am I wrong?...