Occupy Portland Prepares For War

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

What sort of government you want?...

just thought id take this for my own interjection, a technocratic demarchy.
a mix of technical experts in control of decision making in their respective fields and randomly selected decision makers who have been selected by sortition. that way there is no collusion

i don't agree with the bull that most! if not all, the protesters are protesting.
its so confused and misguided !

i love this lyric!

If I let you, you would make me destroy myself.
in order to survive you, i must first survive myself.
I can sink no further, and I cannot forgive you
there's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you.
I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain
I will use my mistakes against you, there's no other choice
im shameless now, im nameless now, im nothing now, im no one now
but my soul must be iron 'cause my fear is naked
im naked and fearless
and my fear is naked

lest we forget ruby ridge,the alamo,and most notibly waco.david koresh showed pity to the atf and allowed them to collect their wounded and retreat.what did it get him?death! i say kill every cop,show no mercy.set an example for all the country to see.let it be known from shore to shore ,we will not tolerate our free speach hindered.our gun rights violated.our privacy violated.or the state telling us what we can consume.
shock and awe of the piles of cop bodies.take the police station and mayor out too.

Originally posted by jcord
I hate to break it to you, but the US Constitution is the greatest psyop in history.

Not really...

I hate to break it to you but the greatest "psyop in history" is the indoctrination and deceit that "world socialism is the answer"...

It has been socialist policies which have corrupted the United States and has slowly consolidated power to the rich elites...

Now the rich socialist elites have their sight not only on the United States but the whole world and people like you are falling for it...

NM.

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I see the justification for shields in defence since they want to protect the right to camp out (if that is a right), but making weapons for attacking back is not a wise decision.

I agree. The moment a weapon of any kind is produced law enforcement will be able to legally shoot, and possibly kill.

Gas masks, helmets, sports equipment, and rubber trash can lids make great shields believe it or not. Also using ear plugs and fire resistant materials will minimize the effects of Flash Bang grenades.

As I've said on here previously, I don't 100% agree with the political message of the movement, however I do agree that standing up to law enforcement needs to be done.

looks like they fail to comprehend the meaning of PEACEFUL PROTEST
and are now showing their true colours - a violent, disorganised mob with no clear cut goals, no leadership and no workable plans for the future.

Only thing this will accomplish is senseless slaughter and loss of lives on all sides...

Originally posted by Rockpuck
News Story
As much as I'd love to see OWS gone just for the sheer fact of how much it costs the city (nearly $400k in overtime bills alone) I have to say.. I respect their ability to stand up to the police.

Ummm, doesn't costing the cities mean more job opportunities for manual labors???
I'm not seeing the problem here...

(note: I'm right outside Portland)

Ugh. Give me a break. These protesters are really naive and ridiculous, and the people supporting them are just as bad anymore. It isn't that the police and city/federal government have had enough. It's the whole damn city that is sick of this bullcrap.

Sure, for the most part we didn't care when they were doing it, and gave them more freedom than pretty much anyplace else in the U.S. (or "world" if you want to be the type that wrongly think this whole movement is global), but the biggest reason is that everyone knows it's a pointless action on their part. So, we let them have their fun and think they matter for a while. But, the cost is too much, especially considering there is no positive that can come out of the movement that would justify the money spent. Especially considering that even the locals around the camps are scared, and many of the apartment complexes/condos are on a security lockdown because residents are scared of what the occupiers might do (NOT what the cops might do).

Why the uptick lately in some of these things? The local occupiers are getting increasingly frustrated that no one is paying attention to their actual issues (well, what they say are issues. No one believes they really are). So, like a 3 year old in a toy store, they've thrown themselves down on the ground and are having a little temper tantrum. Heck, almost no occupier even KNOWS what the issues really are. They only know that there are a few buzzwords that they are supposed to remember and repeat on cue. But they don't really understand what they supposedly think is wrong and what they suggest can fix the problems.

There are only 2 things that the occupiers care about: Telling you what is wrong in the world and telling you who is to blame. No solutions.


(Note: I understand that this next part does come down to the whole basis of anarchism.)

To those who say that they are just standing up for their rights, you are flat-out wrong. Your point seems to be that the occupiers feel their actions are protected by the U.S. Constitution and other statutes/laws. Unfortunately for them, every place that has the obligation for interpreting the laws say that the occupiers are wrong. But, rather than accept that, they refuse to see the big picture and instead just go off and try another new tactic, which will fail.

Yes, I realize that the only difference between tyranny and revolution is what side of the fence you are on, or what side wins, and that general idea is the basis for the original American Revolution. But the difference is that those in the past had more of a legitimate gripe than todays occupiers. The "founding fathers" were trying to make a system that helped all citizens of the (pre-)U.S territories. The occupiers are trying to change things, but they are things that, in the big picture, would hurt more Americans than help. Hint: What is better for you may not be better for everyone else.

Oh well, this is all pointless anyway. This is Portland. Everyone knows that all that will happen is that the occupiers will start smoking pot tomorrow afternoon and forget all about what they had planned to do.

Originally posted by Aninonymous

Originally posted by Rockpuck
News Story
As much as I'd love to see OWS gone just for the sheer fact of how much it costs the city (nearly $400k in overtime bills alone) I have to say.. I respect their ability to stand up to the police.

Ummm, doesn't costing the cities mean more job opportunities for manual labors???
I'm not seeing the problem here...

Only if you have a really odd definition of "manual labor." Are cops and the forest service "manual labor" jobs?

That extra money the city is spending isn't in the form of new jobs. It's in the form of overtime for pre-existing jobs.

I guess though that they can hire some day laborers to clean up the parks once this whole thing is done.

Originally posted by robomont
shock and awe of the piles of cop bodies.take the police station and mayor out too.

Actually, the mayor was bumping heads with the pollice. He refused to let them enforce the laws against them. The mayor is THE reason they were allowed to go this long.

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ordo ab chao. also, a funny fact. not one was building trenches on the 10th anniversary of 9/11.

If Portland really is ready to hunker down and take on the police...

...what an excellent opportunity for TPTB to roll out the new "Microwave
Crowd Control" weapon, and just start heating everybody up to see what happens.

...And then of course "cool them off" with water cannons.


I honestly think these protests were propaganda-driven experiments intended to
"test the water" so to speak.

Originally posted by cuthbert
(well, what they say are issues. No one believes they really are).

ridiculous.
second line too flabbergasted to speak.

I hate to break it to you but socialism and capitalism were created by the same "people" and I use the term loosely. You and I are pawns. You will see soon enough.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by jcord
I hate to break it to you, but the US Constitution is the greatest psyop in history.

Not really...

I hate to break it to you but the greatest "psyop in history" is the indoctrination and deceit that "world socialism is the answer"...

It has been socialist policies which have corrupted the United States and has slowly consolidated power to the rich elites...

Now the rich socialist elites have their sight not only on the United States but the whole world and people like you are falling for it...

edit on 12-11-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

After the Israeli war for Indepence the Israeli prime minister stated that without the help of the USSR the war wouls have been lost. Before the revolution, Lenin was in NYC being supported by the bankers. They own every side of the equation. You have no rights. It does not matter where you go in this world they control it all. They plaster their symbols everywhere. Do you really think that the pyramid & eye is a symbol of freedom? It is all around you and soon they will tighten the noose.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by jcord
I hate to break it to you, but the US Constitution is the greatest psyop in history.

Not really...

I hate to break it to you but the greatest "psyop in history" is the indoctrination and deceit that "world socialism is the answer"...

It has been socialist policies which have corrupted the United States and has slowly consolidated power to the rich elites...

Now the rich socialist elites have their sight not only on the United States but the whole world and people like you are falling for it...

edit on 12-11-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

Somebody gets it.

Originally posted by rival
If Portland really is ready to hunker down and take on the police...

...what an excellent opportunity for TPTB to roll out the new "Microwave
Crowd Control" weapon, and just start heating everybody up to see what happens.

...And then of course "cool them off" with water cannons.


I honestly think these protests were propaganda-driven experiments intended to
"test the water" so to speak.

Hope they are prepared with gas masks. It won't be long before they start tear gassing these people from above in helicopters and planes the way that it was done to the protesters in Berkeley in the 60's. It was then that the crowds began dispersing and people stopped protesting as much because they didn't want to get gassed. It was very effective, so I hope these OWS people are ready.

Looks like an excellent opportunity to test that new plague they have been working on. Remember John Wheeler?

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman
Hope they are prepared with gas masks. It won't be long before they start tear gassing these people from above in helicopters and planes the way that it was done to the protesters in Berkeley in the 60's. It was then that the crowds began dispersing and people stopped protesting as much because they didn't want to get gassed. It was very effective, so I hope these OWS people are ready.

reply to post by neo96


it will end when either side is killed or an agreemnet is reached

it is the freemasons who created this system and continue it by hiring and promoting their own.they use to control this country but their numbers are dwindling fast.they have attempted to recruit me on numerous occasions.the military is their primary recruiting place now.just watch.these x military will be hired as cops,put on street corners in cars and start writing tickets and kicking in doors.just like clinton did with the 100000 new cops.same old story,if you cant get blood abroad,take it from home.theres a whole lotta returning soldiers with attitudes coming home.itching to destroy your rights.thats all they know because they had no rights in the military.turned into robots.no clue what freedom and liberty are because all their life somebody has had control of them.bootcamp just drills it in harder.
the best thing to do is be so over the top in violence,that not even the military would consider going in.burn the whole city to the ground if need be.
these ptb need to be put in their place now before 1984 turns into soilent green.
no mercy !