Veterans with AR15s protecting Occupy Phoenix

Originally posted by SWCCFAN
I do not agree with the Socialist stand that many in the OWS movement have taken, however I support their right to protest peacefully. I have been and always be militia as defined by my states law. I applaud JT Ready and his guys over there in AZ. We more brave Americans standing up for the constitution. I am ready. Are you?

I am an Oath Keeper. Are you really an Oath Keeper?? If so, I can't see how you can back a scum bag like Ready. The guy just shifts from one group to another. He is an outed NeoNazi who is now beating the drum to save America from the Mexican Drug Trade. He's just a cheap media whore who lacks true conviction. He gives a black eye to everything that he touches. He pulled the same stunts at Tea Party rallies now he's attaching to the Occupy group. He's an embarrassment to our country.

Originally posted by crohny
reply to post by SWCCFAN

 

How is caring a gun brave? Easy to pull a trigger and kill something. Far harder to use intelligence to make change. Your cowardice is showing and it reeks.

Quite simple. Its called Defending the American people from an out of control tyrannical government and police state. Just like our founders stood against the British tyrants 235 years ago!

Are you one of those sissified Americans that would call 911 and wait for the police to come protect them?

Without the 2nd amendment the rest of the Constitution is dead.

Originally posted by camaro68ss
reply to post by Blundo

 

I say the protesters load rubber bullets and fire back if fired apon. see how the cops like it.

It will be like a hard core game of airsoft.

edit on 27-10-2011 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

Very good point but I think it would be more like a hardcore game of paintball. Those damn things actually leave welts!

reply to post by jibeho


Well it takes guts to stand up armed knowing full well how quickly that decision to do so can go south. While I don't agree with everything he does, he still has guts.

And yes I am an Oath-keeper.

reply to post by jibeho


Trying to save Arizone from mexican drug thugs is bad how? There are skinheads and neonazis in the police and in the army too, does that mean we should go around painting them all as nazi scum? Hell I am sure there are plenty that hold elected offices as well.

I certainly applaud what they did here, they did nothing but use two of our rights at the same time. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that, what good is a right if no one uses it anyway?

the only reason they've used such baby gloves on the US population was our guns. Period.

It would be very difficult for a malevolent entity to take America with an armed population and strong military. Nukes couldn't work either as there's no real winner in a nuclear war. The easiest solution was obviously stealth and subversion.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by jibeho

 

Trying to save Arizone from mexican drug thugs is bad how? There are skinheads and neonazis in the police and in the army too, does that mean we should go around painting them all as nazi scum? Hell I am sure there are plenty that hold elected offices as well.

I certainly applaud what they did here, they did nothing but use two of our rights at the same time. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that, what good is a right if no one uses it anyway?

Don't try to put your own meaning into my posts. I specifically address JT Ready and make no other inferences as you would seem to suggest. This is about who Ready REALLY IS. He's got a long history in AZ.

I am all for defending our Nation's Borders on land or by sea. However, I will never support a dolt like Jason Todd Ready and what he stands for. Sorry. A person can protect our borders without spewing filth from your corpulent mouth like Ready. I credit irresponsible people like him for our nation's problems with firearms legislation and misconceptions about firearm ownership. He's a rotten apple in the bushel.

Isn't this all just another ruse by the commie scumbags to start a revolution - get the cops and vets fighting each other!?

Originally posted by Blundo

Wow, Amazing but yet terrifying at the same time.

I wonder what a police officer would do if he was confronted by them? Especially if they are only armed with rubber bullets and tear gas.

edit on 27-10-2011 by Blundo because: (no reason given)

1) As others have said, police ARE NOT just armed with Rubber bullets and tear gas. Those are simply the methods of non-lethal force that were authorized for them to use in hopes of deterring protestors violating the law. Had violence escalated more, they may have been granted authorization to use more lethal force and used the guns that they DO carry at all time.

2) No I know peole will say that they are not breaking the law. Again as stated, the problem is they are protesting on PRIVATE grounds (city property) that have laws regulating their uses. If these people find a private venue (ie, permission from a business or residence to hold their pretest) to voice their concerns, police can't legally do anything to deter them.

3) So begets the question. Do the protesters of OWS want to acheive their goals through legal protests? Or are they not only challenging the 1% but also the governing laws of their country? If the latter is true, then they are indeed well within their means in continuing as they are. However if they want to protest in legal manners, they will leave grounds that aren't theirs to protest on and find another way to accomplish their methods.

4) Personally, I think the issues go well beyond corporate greed and wall street. There is an overall tightening fist on the freedoms we have in this country. Everything is being more and more controlled by the government. It's a good portion of that 99% that doesn't realize this. Take free speech for example: You're free to say what you want, except for when the FCC has a say, except for if somebody gets offended, except x, y, z, etc and you really are limitted to set of pre-determined choices of what you can and can't say. Or you can do this with your money but not that. We already take this much for our own agendas, we'll take more b/c there's nothing you can do about it.

5) It's only a matter of time before people realize how little control they have on their daily lives and as movements like these OWS movements gain momentem, there will be other groups, other movements,
the only likely outcome is a revolution with an overhaul of the government and re-engineering of it's consitution.
The moment somebody agrees to let somebody else determine how they can live their lives and define their identites is the moment we lose who we are and that's what's happening now. My prediction, the next Civil War by 2016.

6)Finally, the only true ways to end all this is to eliminate debt-based economics and realize human potential exists with or without these "valued" pieces of paper and electronic warehouses of information that in the end is just numbers. A person can research the cure to cancer, dig a hole, build a house, with or without these things, it's just a matter of finding the right method of motivation and I think that should be the end goal of OWS.

reply to post by jibeho


Sorry that first paragraph should have probably been seperated into two, I wasn't suggesting you were trying the broad brush approach, but there certainly are people who are.

And so what if he is scum? Scum have the same right to protest, and to bear arms, we all do. No matter how hard our elected officials try to convince us otherwise.

reply to post by Oriion


Hate to burst your bubble, but they are protesting on public property, not private property.... City property is paid for by us, how anyone can think that is private property is beyond me....

How does one throw challenge to the 1% without also challenging the government that passes law that aid the 1% in raping everyone? It seems to me the two should logically go hand in hand, no?

Yes, our freedoms are being eroded, especially by people that seem to think that rights are only for people they like. You see a lot of people that on one hand will yell about free speech, unless it happens to be something they do not wish to hear personally. Then they yell that those people should be silenced, take the god hates fags guys for example. Lots of people wish those guys to be silenced, including a lot of people here that are usually all for rights by people they like. Rights are for everyone, even people you find personally reprehensible.

Private property was the wrong word. But the regulations are still there. So they are knowingly challenging the rules which in the state of their existence are often enforced. They know what they're getting into. Plain and simple. That's was my point for the people claiming that the police didn't have the right to do what they did. They did what the laws allow them to do.

Whether or not I agree with those circumstances is a completely different story.

reply to post by jibeho


I thought I recognized that guy. Wasn't he and his bunch of neo-nazi militants up in arms over all of those brown people coming across the border? SPLC Intell file on JT Ready

While I do not care much for SPLC either they do track every fringer out there.

Originally posted by DAZ21
Wow if that was the UK they would be shot on the spot.

Well it would never happen because you all gave up your right to own a gun a long time ago. If it did happen the cops would lose... Military training will beat police training every time in a combat situation, thats just how it is. I think it's great these protesters are getting some protection from a group that can actually protect them.

As a veteran that wishes he could be standing there right now, good for them! Unfortunately, the uniforms and weapons are for making a statement but a strong one at that.

Originally posted by Highlander64
just remember

those who fire the first shot will lose the battle for the USA

let it be the bad guys

Exactly. Cooler heads prevail.

reply to post by SWCCFAN


I'd have no problem killing someone if it meant saving my life and others. That isn't the case. You're just some redneck who thinks they have a clue about how # works. Commiting immoral acts to fight immoral acts just perpetuates the violence. Not allowing it to stop. Congrats you learn nothing from what is going on in the world now. If we don't go to bat with our government in a conflict with weapons, what will your semi auto do to a iron fragmentation bomb? What will it due to a person controlling a drone plane from miles away that is behind reinforced walls? Any of the vets on here who have seved in Iraq, Afghanistan and so should be able to inform you of how much we aren't gettinvg done over there. go look at the numbers of the innocent that are dead. Violence can not and will not solve #. # you very much.


Also, our foundinv fathers thought slavery was good. Shall we bring that back as well?

Originally posted by crohny
reply to post by LDragonFire

 

Really, the US isn't in turmoil? Hmmmmm... The Occupy wall st movement doesn't show there is back lash from how this country has been handled? Amusing. Also the US has a good heap of occupations and wars in other countries right now along with funding terrorism of our own. That isn't a form of turmoil? Strange. France is on a nice route to destroying public finances to try and bolster their economy. They are one of the few right now in EU that are doing ok, but it's only a matter of time. Only two countries are all you can come up with?

edit on 28-10-2011 by crohny because: (no reason given)

Lets not forget what you asked, shall we?

Originally posted by crohny
And you suggest we do this how? By lethal force? go find a country that has implemented lethal force to over throw a government and isnt still in turmoil. That's ok, I'll wait.

After we declared our independence from Great Britain in 1776 we the United States didn't experience any wide spread turmoil until the civil war in 1860. You asked for a example of a government being overthrown by lethal force that isn't still in turmoil. I gave you two clear examples of what you say is impossible.

I have to wonder if your lived during the Revolution what side would you have been on? Just like now I have to wonder whose side your on now.

reply to post by angellicview


they only need the orange tip to import them and sell them in the USA, once purchased, you arent required to have them on

I didn't read all the posts but I do think sometimes people get caught up in things and 'add' to it!
The OP lives in Canada and I live here in Mesa, a few miles from Phoenix and I will say this is NOT in the local news at all.. in fact, I didn't even know about it till I read it on ATS.
I am in downtown Phoenix nearly daily and it's not as some would want you to believe, maybe a few 'occupiers' but I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary.
The only news lately was a murder, it's business as usual.
Let's not make something out of nothing as this just breeds untruths and does exactly what the liberal media wants to see.
Our only problems here is the high crime due to illegal aliens crossing the border and having a government that protects them!
If we closed the border and placed some main battle tanks around maybe we could close this border for good!
It has gotten worse since 'our' president has embraced them!
I am right here so if ANYTHING happens I will be sure to let you know, in the meantime take what you read (even with unknown videos) with a grain of salt!