Veterans with AR15s protecting Occupy Phoenix, page 13

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reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 02:32 AM by FlyingSpaghettiMonster

The problem with protest these days is just this lack of focus and organisation. This is supposed to be an anti-greed demo but because 'this is America!' we get armed nazis turning up to 'help'. These demos don't have hierarchies - and that's part of why they happen at all - but someone needs to be able to tell these idiots their 'help' isn't wanted or needed. If they refuse to leave, a large enough group of occupiers can convince them to go.

reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 03:42 AM by gamesmaster63

Originally posted by crohny
reply to post by gamesmaster63

<3 Though you clearly don't agree with me on these issues, I applaud you.

I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to state what you believe.

reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 03:50 AM by gamesmaster63

Originally posted by UnaChispa
reply to post by Drunkenparrot

I don't see anything wrong in standing up for your race. That is what makes this country great, is the fact that we are able to demonstrate our solidarity with people/organizations of our choosing. I'm not going to speculate that he is hateful. It's possible he was standing by his people out of love.

I don't know him personally. Maybe he has had a change of heart.

'Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.'

edit on 28-10-2011 by UnaChispa because: (no reason given)

This one will probably be removed as an Off Topic Post, but I feel the need to reiterate something I have said on another thread.

I have never understood why people keep referring to each other as if they are of different races. We are all members of the human race, no matter our skin color, hair color or texture, shape of eye, or any other artificial "racial' description. Each and every one of us is Homo Sapiens Sapiens, one race, one people.

Off topic rant over.

reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 06:57 AM by Wolfenz

Originally posted by Wolfenz
Seeing this is Oneidea2112 and says 2112

Im taking to notion that this is a Independent interview ! ..

and This dos not look affiliated with any News Media but what do i know ...

just listen to the Interviewer I can say that a Reporter from Viacom CBS ABC News ETC.. would not even Mention anything that this Interviewer! is Saying

This is what it says in the First Post of the OP!

From You Tube !

"Occupy Phoenix:Veterans wit..." This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated due to multiple third-party notifications of copyright infringement from claimants including: CBS ABC News Viacom International Inc Sorry about that.

Copyright ! and Are They are Claiming that they Own this Clipping !! ??????

Well that's if they are talking about this particular Clipping !

Occupy Phoenix Veterans with AR 15s keeping the Occupation safe

YouTube Link

day later
(( Grammar Corrected )) I put my 2 cents in fast,, as i was preparing to go to work early and i just now noticed allot of mistakes when i just cam back home ...

This it may well be for the Reason The Youtubers Account was Terminated of what the OP Has First Posted on his Thread Hopefully & Luckily Others Will Pop up this in their Own YouTube Account ..

Veterans , Formal Military Soldiers doing what it says in the Constitutions and defending it !

Strange Bedfellows: Militias Exercise Their Second Amendment Rights To Protect Occupy Phoenix!
October 28, 2011
By Justin "Filthy Liberal Scum" Rosario
www.addictinginfo.org...

These are not liberals by any stretch of the imagination. The armed citizen, J.T. is, in fact, a neo-nazi. While one can assume he finds hippes and liberals…distasteful, he still makes a point of stating that he doesn’t even need to agree with the protest; they still have the right to be there without being assaulted by, yup, the government.

Another reason for panic among the powers that be is the very presence of armed, Right Wing militias defending the Occupy movement is proof that the smear campaign is failing and failing epically. If virulently anti-government conservatives are looking past partisan politics to defend people they would normally despise, that’s not just a crack in the wall that’s been built between them, it’s a gaping hole.

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reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 07:07 AM by subject x

All the "he's a nazi" stuff aside, if I were participating in a protest, and these camo-covered yahoos showed up, I'd get the hell out of there. STAT.
Fellas like these are just itching for a confronatation/firefight, and I don't want to be anywhere near it when it happens.
They have a right to bear their arms, and I have the right to use my legs if I see them coming.

reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 09:57 AM by bjarneorn

Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
It's cool what they're doing but if the crap hit the fan these guys would be dead in 30 seconds. They're massively outnumbered, so in reality their guns are little more than props...

The question is, is anyone willing to become a martyr? Because that is basically, what we need ... someone willing to stand up there, and take the shot ... invoke the wrath of the people, and then ... we have a revolution.

Without it, all we have ... is nothing.

As someone stated before ... the government, needs to fear the people ... because if the people fear the government, and fear their reprisals, their guns, and their surveillance ... then we have dictatorship.

reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 10:11 AM by Fractured.Facade

Originally posted by HomerinNC
This is a massacre waiting to happen, this is bad news

No one wants a massacre, but they do want martyrs.

reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 10:24 AM by bjarneorn

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
No one wants a massacre, but they do want martyrs.

I doubt anyone is willing to be one ...

But, basically ... yeah, we need another "jesus", if you want to put it that way. You need an incident, that will put the "rights of the people" into the vey fibre of our being.

No matter, wether you are in Europe or US, the "government" that is supposedly "off the people", "by the people" and "for the people"... which, somehow incidentally ... doesn't include "me" or "you" and a bunch of others. It is going to take a shot at us, if we protest ... plain and simple. Are we going to go beyond that?

Do you see a road, that will take us beyond the road of having our phones wiretapped ... having the government ready to damn us as "schizos" or "crazy", deny us jobs or equal opportunity.

You see a road, that will take us "out of that" ... without a revolution? if you do, I'm all ears.

reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 10:37 AM by Fractured.Facade

Originally posted by bjarneorn

Do you see a road, that will take us beyond the road of having our phones wiretapped ... having the government ready to damn us as "schizos" or "crazy", deny us jobs or equal opportunity.

You see a road, that will take us "out of that" ... without a revolution? if you do, I'm all ears.

What I see is some angry armed mob loosely affiliated with the movement that takes the message to kill cops is justified when?... way too seriously and actually targets police, who could be the first martyrs in this, and by their actions alone will bring about the most violent clashes between police and protesters seen yet... Comparable to those in the middle east and Africa. All right here in the streets of the USA, land of the free and home of the brave.... Does anyone really want to see that happen?

Absolutely!

They said it could never happen here, but it can... Too bad, it's all completely avoidable.

reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 10:51 AM by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by gamesmaster63

Originally posted by UnaChispa
reply to post by Drunkenparrot

I don't see anything wrong in standing up for your race. That is what makes this country great, is the fact that we are able to demonstrate our solidarity with people/organizations of our choosing. I'm not going to speculate that he is hateful. It's possible he was standing by his people out of love.

I don't know him personally. Maybe he has had a change of heart.

'Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.'

edit on 28-10-2011 by UnaChispa because: (no reason given)

This one will probably be removed as an Off Topic Post, but I feel the need to reiterate something I have said on another thread.

I have never understood why people keep referring to each other as if they are of different races. We are all members of the human race, no matter our skin color, hair color or texture, shape of eye, or any other artificial "racial' description. Each and every one of us is Homo Sapiens Sapiens, one race, one people.

Off topic rant over.

We focus on ourselfs because that is the ONLY THING we can do. We are a one planet species completely isolated from the universe more-or-less on a glass cage called earth. You would think that after 5,000 years of human evolution(since the great flood) we would have discovered life elsewhere and started some kind of relationship with other beings.

But no, its better to be a good slave for the PTB! Who are the ptb? The kings and queens of all nations going back to antiquety along with the bankers and the church. Marxism was always against these tyrants from day 1 but McCarthism in america killed the movement before it had a chance to develop, thus spreading the disease called capitalism throughout the world.

reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 10:56 AM by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by bjarneorn

Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
It's cool what they're doing but if the crap hit the fan these guys would be dead in 30 seconds. They're massively outnumbered, so in reality their guns are little more than props...

The question is, is anyone willing to become a martyr? Because that is basically, what we need ... someone willing to stand up there, and take the shot ... invoke the wrath of the people, and then ... we have a revolution.

Without it, all we have ... is nothing.

As someone stated before ... the government, needs to fear the people ... because if the people fear the government, and fear their reprisals, their guns, and their surveillance ... then we have dictatorship.

What kind of DUMB post is this? Why should anyone BE WILLING to become a martyr

When things start getting out of control it will be because the glass has overfilled with anger and there is absolutely no other way to get change.

I do not look forward to that day and hopefully it can be averted.

reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 11:26 AM by bjarneorn

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
I do not look forward to that day and hopefully it can be averted.

I don't think anything will happen, that is my point. No one wants to be a martyr, so no one will take it to the level it's needed to be ... i.e. "a boston tea party".

It's going to be like Iceland, there will be change, but not the kind of change people want. People think the "peaceful" action there was good ... while the reality is quite different. They voted "no" to pay foreigners, but said nothing to the "write out" of dept, by locals ... that far exceeded the foreign dept. Which of, every penny, will have to be paid by the local people. And their "new" government, is already planning the henchman noose, as they are goating the country in the European Union, without asking for the consent of the people.

That is what they got ... because they had no idea of how to go about, and make the change they wanted ... themselves, and allowed the "international" cartel, to do it for them.

I'm asking you, you wanna go down the same road? People there, that bought houses ... now owe twice the price, that they bought it for ... despite having payed mortgage for years. You think voting for someone, who is put on the election bill, by the very people that is being protested against, is going to help things out? You aren't being given a choice of salvation ... only a choice, of what mouthpiece and face, you see on the news.

reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 11:51 AM by bjarneorn

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
But no, its better to be a good slave for the PTB! Who are the ptb? The kings and queens of all nations going back to antiquety along with the bankers and the church. Marxism was always against these tyrants from day 1 but McCarthism in america killed the movement before it had a chance to develop, thus spreading the disease called capitalism throughout the world.

Capitalism, is not a desease ... it is the only freedom we have.

Carl Marx, never meant the Soviet Union .... that was never his idea. Although I am not exactly familiar with McCarthism, but I do agree with you that the current "problem" does come from the Kings and Queens of antiquity. But they DO NOT represent capitalism ... they represent oppression and ownership.

Capitalism, is the freedom of individuals to optain capital to make joint ventures. It does not mean, that Goldman Sachs owns the brooklyn bridge. There are things, that must be under "common" ownership ... that is, owned by the people. While other things, can be owned by individuals ... but things such as public transportation, public railways, postal deliveries, pipelines ... must be, and must always be ... owned by the people, because they do not serve, an individual, but the people. The same applies to a house ... a mans house, does not serve the public ... it serves the individual, therefore it must be in the ownership of that individual. While the right, to self determination, to education, etc., are human rights and should be global.

Going about and stating Capitalism is bad, and Communism is good ... is just being the follower of ideals, and being blind to reality. These "ideas" cannot be universal ... and should apply to all and everything. It is never a good thing, to be a part of "a whole". I am the individual ... the human right, is my individual right ... and my individual right, comes before the group. Because, eventually, every group is made of individuals ... and you cannot put the need of the group, before the need of the individual ... because it means, that all the individuals in the group are slave to a motive.

Capitalism, is the free flow of money and the freedom of individuals to provide for themselves ... stating that capitalism is bad, is the same as stating the constitution is bad ... which eventually, is the same ideology, that those that are inside Wall Street, share.

reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 12:12 PM by g0dhims3lf

reply to post by gamesmaster63

Thats exactly what I already said the end of the last page........

Originally posted by g0dhims3lf
reply to post by UnaChispa

If you scroll back a few pages you can see his criminal record of aggravated assault with weapon and mindless destruction of property among other things. Considering we are "The Human Race" supporting a movement that encourages racism is ignorant and shows feelings of superiority which is far from feelings of love.

reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 12:29 PM by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by bjarneorn

Capitalism, is the freedom of individuals to optain capital to make joint ventures. It does not mean, that Goldman Sachs owns the brooklyn bridge. There are things, that must be under "common" ownership ... that is, owned by the people. While other things, can be owned by individuals ... but things such as public transportation, public railways, postal deliveries, pipelines ... must be, and must always be ... owned by the people, because they do not serve, an individual, but the people. The same applies to a house ... a mans house, does not serve the public ... it serves the individual, therefore it must be in the ownership of that individual. While the right, to self determination, to education, etc., are human rights and should be global.

Yet under capitalism everything eventually ends up to the hands of the corporate elite because corporatism is the main branch of capitalism and its part of "natural evolution"/entropy. When I state marxism I do not imply communism such as the USSR, China, North Korea or cuba. I meant market socialism!

I believe in public ownership in the means of production as far as major industry and the basic needs all humans require to live a healthy and happy life. Of course I support private ownership of small and medium business and I also support big business but under a scheme where it is closely regulated and not allowed to interfere with government.

Going about and stating Capitalism is bad, and Communism is good ... is just being the follower of ideals, and being blind to reality. These "ideas" cannot be universal ... and should apply to all and everything. It is never a good thing, to be a part of "a whole". I am the individual ... the human right, is my individual right ... and my individual right, comes before the group. Because, eventually, every group is made of individuals ... and you cannot put the need of the group, before the need of the individual ... because it means, that all the individuals in the group are slave to a motive.

Capitalism IS BAD because under such a system eventually everything will become private property of the corporate elite. No honest person can look me straight in the eyes and tell me corporatism does not belong with capitalism. It is highely ignorant to try and seperate the two. The fact you do not know enough about McCarthism and bush/reganism/thatcherism speaks inexperience with politics or deliberate misinformation.

Further the kings and queens of yesteryear fully support capitalism through the rigged election system most countries have in place now because they own shares in all the major multinational corporations. You can call it a republic or democracy but when the media is corporately owned by the financial barons and corporations can legally donate as much as they want under the false banner of "freedom of speech" then you are fooling yourself.

Finally socialism and communism are different systems. Consider socialism the middle road between capitalism and communism depending on its version/flavor of course.

reply posted on 30-10-2011 @ 04:15 AM by gamesmaster63

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Most martyrs became such because they were willing to become one.

A martyr is someone who has drawn a line in the sand and said, "Enough, this far and no farther."

He or she is the one that finally realizes that some things ARE worth dying for, that some freedoms are worth fighting for even if it means your own death. A man or woman of honor who refuses to be cowed, refuses to bow down to superior force and demands that their voice is heard.

They are the ones that stand in the front and say, "I will not give up, I will not back down."

When you have taken everything else from a person, the only thing left is their life.

They are the ones that no longer have anything else to lose.

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reply posted on 30-10-2011 @ 03:33 PM by EarthCitizen07

reply to post by gamesmaster63

If you want to be a martyr then go ahead. I don't think anyone can stop you. I and others have not reached the point of no return yet, but when we do the system will know about it. Fighting for a lost cause is foolish!

Why do you think only a few thousand people, per city, are protesting against wall street? HMMN

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reply posted on 30-10-2011 @ 04:09 PM by diakrite

Hmm. Been looking at that. Who would You put Your money on: pampered cops that never really had any resistance to speak off, -beside the untrained balling-away of ten-cent gang-boys- or hardened veterans, trained under fire in urban warfare, fighting bearded loonies, adamant on killing or be killed.

Just saying. The vets may loose, but they will take an awful amount of those salon-warriors with them.

reply posted on 30-10-2011 @ 05:53 PM by clintdelicious

reply to post by gamesmaster63

I just want to applaud both of you. Despite having opposing views you are able to appreciate the other persons opinion and their right to believe however they want. Today there is so much division in politics, especially in the US where one party will sabotage the other even if it means hurting the people, this is done when bills are voted on and happens here in the UK as well. This alone should be enough to get our leaders condemned as they clearly do not care about the people.

If everyone had the decent, mature attitude which both of you have demonstrated then this world would be drastically more pleasant and loving. Bless both of you and I am confident that many others on this site act the same. To those of you who do not please look at how immature you are and accept that you may not always be right and that others may not always agree with you, that does not mean that they are not you brother still though as we are all brothers and sisters.

reply posted on 30-10-2011 @ 07:38 PM by gamesmaster63

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by gamesmaster63

If you want to be a martyr then go ahead. I don't think anyone can stop you. I and others have not reached the point of no return yet, but when we do the system will know about it. Fighting for a lost cause is foolish!

Why do you think only a few thousand people, per city, are protesting against wall street? HMMN
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Exactly where did I say I wanted to be a martyr? I was just explaining why some may choose that path.

Also, in the larger cities, it is more than a few thousand.

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