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Originally posted by Skellon
It seems very fashionable to take the opposing view to whatever the evil US government is doing, sometimes without thought.
As I mentioned back on page 6 of this thread. What would you think would occur if the US removed all it's troops from foreign soil, closed all it's bases abroad?
What? We would live in peace and harmony? Really?
The US, UK, Israel, Russia, China and significant others are all greedy to get their fingers in the next pie. Thus far, the US and it's allies are winning this geopolitical chess game.
Every single day there is an intelligence war raging globally that we are not privy to with exception to the rare flare up that goes public.
There is a constant fight going on under our very noses, a fight for supremacy.
So, in light of this, do you really think the US has so much to gain from 'bowing out' of this, in exchange for opening new trade channels and gaining some international acclaim?
Do you really think that the true adversaries of NATO will stop playing the game out of good sportsmanship?
Whatever one side gives up, the other sides will surely welcome. As a result, you are now presenting a United States that is weaker, has far less influence and control. This would create a security issue that would invite attack.
The US projects it's power around the globe, for this morally questionable activity, it gains the respect of it's foes and therefore is seen as the last country on earth to directly confront.
That is the real security policy of any given premier super power. It has been the US in this role, it could quite easily be Russia, China, India and even the EU in the future.
The US, like all historical empires, will inevitably fall one day, but it must fight tooth and nail on a daily basis to ensure it's commanding position in this world and it will not go quietly.
In addition, when people talk about taking down the government, what will they expect? For Russia and China to throw their hands in and applaud the noble act? Or for the likes of Russia and China to 'finish the job'? Are you prepared to gamble the lives of your family on this outcome?
edit on 9-10-2011 by Skellon because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by chuckMFd
I couldn't help but notice all the fools so worried about the title of this thread... Think about the point it makes! The title is just to draw you in, obviously.
Originally posted by johnnygamble
"ninja..it's an annoying video about how if the tables were turned and we had foreign troops occupying the u,s that'd we basically be fighting like the taliban and the insurgents...which yes to a point that is true..we would fight to get them out...however...the jihadists fight not to get us out but to ELIMINATE US FROM EXSISTENCE...that's the difference..that's why its apple to oranges..and that's why it's stupid"
Originally posted by Threadfall
Post titles that are outright deceptive, misleading, or otherwise a lie should be (forcibly) changed, IMO.
And as far as the video was concerned, I did not find it moving. In fact, that narrator was a bit comical.
Originally posted by nh_ee
reply to post by Iamonlyhuman
Yes we seldom hear the other side of the story of why we are fighting these wars.
And as it was in Vietnam, once we left, there was no more war ...
True. There are thousands of fanatical Muslims who want to destroy us. The question is, how do we deal with this problem while NOT making the problem worse. Most objective thinkers acknowledge that invading and occupying two midEast countries was counter productive to stopping terrorism. The invasions recruited more terrorists than we can kill, they stripped America of its moral authority, and cost American dearly in respect to blood and treasure. A few thousand terrorists training in Afghanistan could have easily been destroyed via a concise police action with air support. We didn't HAVE to invade Afghanistan and stay for ten ridiculous years. Even more needless was the invasion of Iraq, the reasons for which were never convincing, reasons which have been long disproved. In fact, these invasions are deeply immoral. All people of conscience ought to be outraged. The military actions say more about the corruption of the neo-cons and our oligarchs, than they do about any valid causes to invade a people that could not have hurt us, if our national defense was managed competently.