Lisa Irwin - Missing - One Year Later

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Could he insert false data into the logs?

Originally posted by schmae
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WOW, fascinating info David, tks. Yes teh neighbor James Brando works on a surveillance team of Sprint,

Where did you read he work's for Sprint?

Everything I've read says Whiteman Air Force Base.

And the phone is question that was DBs was on Verizon's service.

OiO

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It was on his facebook page. I don't know if it's still up or not. It says occupation, surveillance 'specialist' SPRINT.. I cannot remember the exact term. But something to do with surveillance for sprint !

Originally posted by schmae
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Could he insert false data into the logs?

You might want to google on cloning cell phone.
I see that DB phone is suppose to be through Verizon which would mean it is a CDMA phone ( most likely ), the easiest to clone. With a cloned phone, one has in effect a wiretap on a cellphone. Think of it as an extension on the line. By using that, one could make it seem like DB was calling people she wasn't. Texting messages she wasn't, and it would be a great way to look for patterns in her lifestyle. You'd also have access to all text messages sent to her....

Originally posted by schmae
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It was on his facebook page. I don't know if it's still up or not. It says occupation, surveillance 'specialist' SPRINT.. I cannot remember the exact term. But something to do with surveillance for sprint !

Yep, I've seen that and he spelled electronic "electronice". It's Facebook. I can list my employment as "Public Relations for the Greys" doesn't make it so. (really I can, I just tried it!!!)

Here is a bit from an article when he was questioned:

Brando stayed at a friend's home at about 5 p.m. on Oct. 3. Brando told CNN that he woke up for work at 5 a.m. the next day at Whiteman Air force Base. He was notified about Lisa's disappearance around an hour later. Brando said he finished his work shift and went back to Kansas City to help the search for Lisa.

Source

I would be more apt to believe that report then a Facebook listing.

OiO

And Silo..... if you use fb, your's could be "Mount Etna Surveillance Specialist"!!!

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OMG,,,,, that would be the craziest thing ever right? Did you see the suspect profile compiled by Abeyta? I was certain that James Brando is who he was talking about. At one point Brando said words to the effect of 'she ruined my marriage ' or my life or something like that. Speculation is that his wife was cheating with the help of Deb or with Deb's brother or with Deb covering for her or something. I dont' know that any of that is FACT, but that is the speculation when she makes him leave the house and goes to Deb's to drink half the night and Deb's brother is there, etc etc. Who knows. But planting info on someone else's cell phone is........ shocking if that is the case! Would there be a way for the FBI or someone to PROVE that was planted there? or could it be done with no trace?
This thing gets stranger every day I boot up the pc .

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Perhaps in a previous employment and he jsut hasn't changed it? I mean why make that up? If you're going to fudge on yoru career why not say high wire acrobat or astronaut. I get what you're saying. But if he lied about it and only picked working for sprint,,,,,,,he's got no vision at all.

Originally posted by OneisOne

Originally posted by schmae
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It was on his facebook page. I don't know if it's still up or not. It says occupation, surveillance 'specialist' SPRINT.. I cannot remember the exact term. But something to do with surveillance for sprint !

Yep, I've seen that and he spelled electronic "electronice". It's Facebook. I can list my employment as "Public Relations for the Greys" doesn't make it so. (really I can, I just tried it!!!)

Here is a bit from an article when he was questioned:

Brando stayed at a friend's home at about 5 p.m. on Oct. 3. Brando told CNN that he woke up for work at 5 a.m. the next day at Whiteman Air force Base. He was notified about Lisa's disappearance around an hour later. Brando said he finished his work shift and went back to Kansas City to help the search for Lisa.

Source

I would be more apt to believe that report then a Facebook listing.

OiO

And Silo..... if you use fb, your's could be "Mount Etna Surveillance Specialist"!!!

edit on 11-11-2011 by OneisOne because: add a funny to Silo....

Here is also a bit from your source, near the beginning;

The spouse of Samantha Brando was interviewed by CNN on Wednesday. He is a close friend with baby Lisa's mother, Deborah Bradley, and was with Bradley the evening of Oct. 3 drinking and smoking cigarettes.

So does the porch drinking party get bigger and bigger? How likely is he really to move out of his home, and go back that night to party with his wife?

I had heard he was a reservist....

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WHAT?????? Yes she made it pretty clear that she and her girlfriend neighbor were drinking. And now was she ever asked and lied about who was there? Or did she jsut withhold it and hope no one asked? Perhaps she and Samantha were drinking the evening and the neighbor Shane dropped by unannounced briefly and the husband of Sam dropped by unannounced briefly and they didnt' really stay and drink too long. But it does seem like it's a " BLOCK PARTY" at this point.
David does this strike you as deception on Deb's part? Does it sway you at all in your convictions prior to today ?
As far as her brother I've never heard real definite facts that he was there or not. Iv'e heard it say that he was there but is that just rumor still or been confirmed? Because Deb or Jeremy neither one say at 4 am in their mad dash, anything about where brother was ...... Perhaps he went home with Samantha? :O

I heard this morning that a reporter was going to discuss some new info from a new roommate in the megan wright household. This new resident was to say he saw Dane after the 'call from deb/ jer's phone' and was in the corner freaking out and said ' someone is coming'. Did anyone catch any of this convo or interview? I guess I should look since I've been out the afternoon at work. It was not a rumor, I mean I saw the reporter's tweet or something saying this new infor would be discussed later today. But I've not seen since if it took place.

Originally posted by schmae
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OMG,,,,, that would be the craziest thing ever right? Did you see the suspect profile compiled by Abeyta? I was certain that James Brando is who he was talking about. At one point Brando said words to the effect of 'she ruined my marriage ' or my life or something like that. Speculation is that his wife was cheating with the help of Deb or with Deb's brother or with Deb covering for her or something. I dont' know that any of that is FACT, but that is the speculation when she makes him leave the house and goes to Deb's to drink half the night and Deb's brother is there, etc etc. Who knows. But planting info on someone else's cell phone is........ shocking if that is the case! Would there be a way for the FBI or someone to PROVE that was planted there? or could it be done with no trace?
This thing gets stranger every day I boot up the pc .

No not the profile, I have heard Abeyta talking/being quoted about it. And it seems that he is talking about him. I've been divorced, at that point in time I never had a desire to steal a neighborhood child. The reports suggest he too was interviewed multiple times, (which makes me wonder why the KCPD, never can ask all the questions they want in 1 or 2 tries by now. Why they need to interview 3 or more times?) At a quick surface glance, with him moving out, and being alledgedly on a secure air force base, how much of a real suspect can he be? The fact that he was on an air force base, and I'm assuming that just any old joe can't wander on and off the base, suggest that perhaps there is more here than we see at first glance.

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If he was at the house drinking on the porch then he wasn't at that secure air force base all night? HMMMMMMM ,, would KCPD have authority to 'search a secure air force base' ?

Originally posted by schmae
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WHAT?????? Yes she made it pretty clear that she and her girlfriend neighbor were drinking. And now was she ever asked and lied about who was there? Or did she jsut withhold it and hope no one asked? Perhaps she and Samantha were drinking the evening and the neighbor Shane dropped by unannounced briefly and the husband of Sam dropped by unannounced briefly and they didnt' really stay and drink too long. But it does seem like it's a " BLOCK PARTY" at this point.

Personally my take is this is an uncorrected typo that has spread on theInternet.
I believe "he" should have been "she" then the story makes sense to me. I reference it only to question the quality of this reporting. At this point I'm looking very hard at anything sourced by HLN, and CNN. There on the ground reporter just seems a little too friendly with one of the players here for my taste.

David does this strike you as deception on Deb's part? Does it sway you at all in your convictions prior to today ?
As far as her brother I've never heard real definite facts that he was there or not. Iv'e heard it say that he was there but is that just rumor still or been confirmed? Because Deb or Jeremy neither one say at 4 am in their mad dash, anything about where brother was ...... Perhaps he went home with Samantha? :O

Nope at best it is a typo, (an one wonders why it has not been corrected yet), at worest it suggest an attempt to smear DB name. I believe by the way that their are two issues here, the handling of the case, and was it effective or not. Then there is the question of what happened to Lisa. It's not an either or in my mind.

The brother is listed at their address in the phone book. I believe he cohabited there. The police always like to keep multiple things back, things that aren't public knowledge. My guest is Deborah was NOT as drunk as some would have us believe. When this call actually came in seems to be all over the map, and has the effect of vilifying DB in my opinion, yet I believe that once all the knowledge is out, this might go far more in the direction of supporting her, than condemning her. But by then, it might not matter, anymore.

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Her amount of drunkenness came directly from her mouth. I have wondered many times if she were not drunk at all. ALso there has been some rumors she may have dabbled in meth. I don't buy it a bit... not for a minute. No one with a real anxiety disorder would dabble in METH. So eitehr she never used meth or her anxiety disorder is not real. Or she jsut told dr's shes' a little anxious and you know drs' today will prescribe anything to anyone whether or not they are truly clinically 'anxious'.

If its not the Mommy then someone stole the baby to raise as their own. If it is Mommy the baby is probably dead. For the baby's sake lets pray its a baby thief

Originally posted by schmae
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If he was at the house drinking on the porch then he wasn't at that secure air force base all night? HMMMMMMM ,, would KCPD have authority to 'search a secure air force base' ?

Nope I can't see KCPD being given permission to search an airforce base. Perhaps selective areas of it, if they insisted. Most likely it was conducted by base security personal. But then you're back to what is he trained at? Is he part of base security operations? Is it his friends at KCPD that are checking him out, and is it his coworkers at the base, who are simply going through the motions? Because of personal relationships, (the blue line) is he a known good guy? Was he glossed over initially because they where focused on DB, and at this point it's really too late to step forward and acknowledge that we didn't really look well?

If you wanted to hide a body, what better place than a large airforce base that you are part of security for? Do you really think that base security personal does not know where to go to hide from the cameras? Especially the ones that DON'T EXIST? Or where to go to make out, if they want some alone time? Where to take a nap?

Originally posted by schmae
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Her amount of drunkenness came directly from her mouth.

Hmm I've heard different levels from her, and I believe it has continued to grow with each retelling. If she where an actual drunk, I'd think we would seen video of her drunk by now. If she was a Meth user, again I'm inclined to believe she'd have been busted. Or there would be a drug test she failed...

I have wondered many times if she were not drunk at all. ALso there has been some rumors she may have dabbled in meth. I don't buy it a bit... not for a minute. No one with a real anxiety disorder would dabble in METH. So eitehr she never used meth or her anxiety disorder is not real. Or she jsut told dr's shes' a little anxious and you know drs' today will prescribe anything to anyone whether or not they are truly clinically 'anxious'.

Wouldn't a METH user develope at least an anxiety disorder over time? Somehow I've managed to get the impression they are not the most stable?

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By looking at her face eyes and skin etc, she's not a ' user' per se. Shes rumored to have said she 'dabbled' in street drugs. I am just stating my opinion that it's NOT METH, whatever shemay have dabbled. This is because there were rumors of meth dealigns from some of the other folks, jersey and dane etc. So one's inclined to think perhaps Deb used meth. She did not use regularly or at least for no prolonged period of time. Perhaps she just began to recently to lose some baby weight or something? Not sure, but this is sure anyone witth a real anxiety disorder would NOT touch meth, at least not more than once !

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From her own mouth she said more than 5 but less than 10 and 8 or9 is a LOT of wine.
And she said she may have or probably did black out and I saw a different interview where she said
words to the effect of 'doesnt everyone drink until they pass out' . Like I drink like everyone else does,
until I pass right out .

Originally posted by schmae
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From her own mouth she said more than 5 but less than 10 and 8 or9 is a LOT of wine.

And she said she may have or probably did black out and I saw a different interview where she said
words to the effect of 'doesnt everyone drink until they pass out' . Like I drink like everyone else does,
until I pass right out .

What does "blacked out" mean to you? It doesn't mean to me, that I get up, lock the doors, turn off the lights, and climb into bed, to me. To me that means I'm drinking, or talking, or watching TV one minute, and the next it's tomorrow.... there is a period of time I really can't account for, that I really don't have any sense of.

Hmm just how big is that glass? 4oz? 6oz? 8oz? 12oz? 16oz? 20oz? Just how full was that glass? How long was since I last slept? "I could've passed out" to me means I'm not sure, I don't know if I simply fell asleep, or I passed out. That to my ears doesn't sound like a drunk to me, but rather someone who doesn't drink a lot. To my senses DB and her words appear to have had someone playing mind games with her. Some one that set out to destroy, her sense of what happen that night.