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Originally posted by Dav1d
I really see this is a very basic kind of deal. KCPD were told the boys were meeting with police later in the week, that fact, did not require an immediate response, such that they couldn't verify that the FBI was not talking to them. Do you really wish to suggest that KCPD doesn't know how to contact the lawyers in this case? Hasn't been in contact with the lawyers? My world is not based on showing how much smarter I am than everyone around me. If I was given this info, at the very least I would of contacted the lawyers and asked, who are they scheduling this with, it's not about making the other side look dumb.
But in my opinion, KCPD is out to make this family look criminal, and bad, look at the last media event the family had scheduled near the end of October. That was the day and the hour, that the KCPD does a search of a pond? Do you really think, that morning the family wasn't told of that search? If they go on with their event, it would have been played as them being uncaring, about the search. If they cancel the event, it is played that once again they changed their plans at the last moment. The family is unreliable....
You go to the major sites, that cover Baby Lisa, and at each one I've been to there is someone very Pro police, who claims to be connected in someway. Perhaps a parole officer, perhaps a psychologist but they are there being vocal, that the family is guilty.... One doesn't need to many people hitting media sites, to make an impression. Most LE encourages its officers not to post as an officer, even my little backwater town. You know the best shills aren't even aware of being one, they simply get fed info, knowing it will be passed on. How many rumors have their origin at KCPD? It's all about manipulation, and steering public opinion is old hat for people involved in propaganda. There are just way to many coincidences in this case.
The CARD Teams are designed to deploy teams of 4-6 experienced personnel to provide on-the-ground investigative, technical, and resource assistance to state and local law enforcement. The CARD Teams consist of Crimes Against Children investigators who have in-depth experience in child abduction cases. The nationwide CARD Team consists of 60 members, with two full teams serving each region of the country. They work closely with FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit representatives, National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime Coordinators, and Crimes Against Children Coordinators.
CARD Teams are primarily involved in non-family child abductions, ransom child abductions, and mysterious disappearances of children. They work with state and local law enforcement to protect and save the lives of innocent children.
Originally posted by Michelle129th
To Schmae: I also wasn't sure what exactly electronic Surveillance meant. I googled it and funny enough I found an old Wanted Ad for the exact same position with sprint at the same location. here is the job description.
Electronic Surveillance Technician,
Sprint | OVERLAND PARK, Kansas
Work Type Full time
Job Description In this critical role of an Electronic Surveillance Technician, you will be responsible for ensuring compliance in this area, which includes 7x24 Law Enforcement Agency (LEA) hotlines used by LEAs for emergencies involving hostage situations, kidnappings and national emergencies. You will coordinate the receipt, processing and response to legal demands received from LEAs and courts for customer records, pen registers and wiretaps.
Your responsibilities will include analyzing law enforcement-generated court orders to determine completeness, assess validity and determine the nature and scope of the request. You will also assist in the implementation and maintenance of court ordered electronic surveillance (i.e. wiretap, pen-register, and trap and trace), handset location tracking a customer requested malicious call trace. You will provide appropriate data for billing law enforcement the cost of providing electronic surveillance. You may be required to provide after-hours call screening by handling non-emergency call requests as well as coordinate switch translation initiation for establishing electronic surveillance. You will report to a Supervisor. ? High school diploma or equivalent
? Experience in security, law or surveillance Sprint is a great place to work for people who want to make a difference. We're at the center of a challenging and changing industry where every day is a growth opportunity. Diverse thought and backgrounds are highly valued. If you're up for a challenge, Sprint is the place to build your career and your character. Sprint is an Equal Opportunity Employer and has been recognized for its commitment to diversity and creating an inclusive workplace where all employees' backgrounds, talents and contributions are valued.
We are proud to be a drug free employer.
Michelle
Originally posted by Dav1d
The CARD Teams are designed to deploy teams of 4-6 experienced personnel to provide on-the-ground investigative, technical, and resource assistance to state and local law enforcement. The CARD Teams consist of Crimes Against Children investigators who have in-depth experience in child abduction cases. The nationwide CARD Team consists of 60 members, with two full teams serving each region of the country. They work closely with FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit representatives, National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime Coordinators, and Crimes Against Children Coordinators.
CARD Teams are primarily involved in non-family child abductions, ransom child abductions, and mysterious disappearances of children. They work with state and local law enforcement to protect and save the lives of innocent children.
It may well be one of those things we just will not agree on. But I see "assistance", not control, I see "with" not oversee.
To me it's just logical the local cop shop is going to know the area far better than FBI agents from another state. There are going to be far more local cops involved than 4 to 6 card officers. Finally if you take the time to watch the videos those with the FBI labels on themselves don't appear to my eyes to be in charge. That also seems to be the thoughts of the local reporters, as just how many video's have you seen where a reporter went up and stuck a mike in an FBI agents face and asked for a comment? I've see lots of tape where the only comment is no comment from someone in charge... (note there are more than 6 FBI people in this case, lots more if you watch the videos.... Also if you watch real close you can spot ATF agents... Why are they involved at all?)
Originally posted by Michelle129th
Here's an updated map...just to give an idea of the area it covers. A bit less daunting than the first.
1/3mile radius from Lisa Irwin's house
To Schmae: I also wasn't sure what exactly electronic Surveillance meant. I googled it and funny enough I found an old Wanted Ad for the exact same position with sprint at the same location. here is the job description.
Electronic Surveillance Technician,
Sprint | OVERLAND PARK, Kansas
Work Type Full time
Job Description In this critical role of an Electronic Surveillance Technician, you will be responsible for ensuring compliance in this area, which includes 7x24 Law Enforcement Agency (LEA) hotlines used by LEAs for emergencies involving hostage situations, kidnappings and national emergencies. You will coordinate the receipt, processing and response to legal demands received from LEAs and courts for customer records, pen registers and wiretaps.
Your responsibilities will include analyzing law enforcement-generated court orders to determine completeness, assess validity and determine the nature and scope of the request. You will also assist in the implementation and maintenance of court ordered electronic surveillance (i.e. wiretap, pen-register, and trap and trace), handset location tracking a customer requested malicious call trace. You will provide appropriate data for billing law enforcement the cost of providing electronic surveillance. You may be required to provide after-hours call screening by handling non-emergency call requests as well as coordinate switch translation initiation for establishing electronic surveillance. You will report to a Supervisor. ? High school diploma or equivalent
? Experience in security, law or surveillance Sprint is a great place to work for people who want to make a difference. We're at the center of a challenging and changing industry where every day is a growth opportunity. Diverse thought and backgrounds are highly valued. If you're up for a challenge, Sprint is the place to build your career and your character. Sprint is an Equal Opportunity Employer and has been recognized for its commitment to diversity and creating an inclusive workplace where all employees' backgrounds, talents and contributions are valued.
We are proud to be a drug free employer.
Michelle
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Originally posted by silo13
More confusion. More 'players'.
Dane and another man claiming to be on the 'porch' that night - he lives just two doors down from the house where Lisa went missing.
peaceedit on 13-11-2011 by silo13 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by schmae
reply to post by Dav1d
Just a quick note... the assumption of innocence refers to court of law. I do not know if it necessarily refers to an investigation. Not trying to be argumentative, but I think this came up before here. The police do not have to assume innocence on anyone's part. In fact I think their motto is everyone's a suspect until they have proof they are not. So presumption of innocence is once a charge is filed and a court date is coming. Or that is my understanding of it at least.
Originally posted by schmae
reply to post by Dav1d
''Every child disappearance does not generate this degree of media interest, it is KCPD actions that have inpart fed this interest. ''
And you really do not think the words of Deborah herself have in any way fed this interest? I didn't think too much about the case until I started listenign to her. Truly it was a tragedy of a missing baby, but nothing I became glued to until SHE opened her mouth. So that is either HER or MEDIA, not LE that caused me to start really looking at her.
Originally posted by Dav1d
Debrah was also requested to talk to the media by KCPD, as a means of forcing more information out of her in an attempt to trap her.
Originally posted by Dav1d
Would you contend that the "media" and the questions they ask, are in no way prompted by the KCPD? That if it comes to a trial, that none of her statements to the media will be used against her in a trial?
Originally posted by Dav1d
Do you really, believe that the media has developed all their own ideas, without input in any way from LE? Or can you accept that LE has suggested things for the media to focus upon?
Originally posted by Dav1d
Would you deny that KCPD uses the media to further it's goals?
Originally posted by Dav1d
Would you deny that KCPD has used the media as a "tool" in this case, from day one?
Originally posted by Dav1d
When one points a gun, and pulls the trigger is one un-responsible for the effects of the action? Because it was the gun that "fired" the round?
Originally posted by Dav1d
On Tuesday October 11, 2011 there was an abandon home own by the city, that was searched. In the time lines I've looked at this appears to be the first mention of this place being search. The video I recall seeing, suggest that it was searched only by a very limited number of people, and nothing of a forensic nature was taken....
Originally posted by Dav1d
After the search, the home was demolished....
Originally posted by Dav1d
This stands out in my mind.
Why the rush to destroy this house now?
Originally posted by Dav1d
Without knowing what happen to Lisa, but knowing that apparently she spent some time in the area, any forensic evidence could prove meaningful in the future. The destruction of this home has the potential to destroy evidence.
Originally posted by Dav1d
KCPD has established a pattern of not doing thorough searches and requiring multiple searches to obtain evidence, evidence that I would suggest is tainted...