US Marines headed to WALLSTREET to protect protesters! THIS IS IT

reply to post by ~Lucidity


Yes it is. And the one on the right is a captain by his rank on his collar (if I'm seeing that right). Not in their dress blues, but still... here's another: ETA: No name tags, but judging from the gentleman's hat in the foreground that's an EGA and he has rank on his collar, enlisted rank but can't tell what...

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


True leadership won't come for quite awhile. Things are still too comfortable for the people with the skills to be a true leader. A leader of this type of movement good enough to be effective is probably still living a comfortable middle to upper class lifestyle. They don't want to become martyrs just yet.

So, either it happens organically with something like this movement, or it happens suddenly when TPTB cross the wrong person and polarize them, or it happens when the economy gets bad enough that there isn't much left to lose. At this point, it can still get a lot worse, so it would require a catalyst. Another year or two, and things might be bad enough for the leaders to step forward voluntarily.

I was kind of hoping for the organic/pulpous development of a movement, but you are probably correct. It needs a strong leader. I guess we'll just keep waiting awhile.

reply to post by getreadyalready


There is nothing "organic" about this "movement".

Those most directly involved believe they can start a revolution.. A violent one.

They ultimately want martyrs.

IMO

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Observor

 

I am neither greedy nor envious, so you are right I don't understand them from personal experience. However, I haven't met a greedy person who didn't envy those who had more nor a person who envied those who had more and wasn't greedy about getting the same. All the empirical evidence I have points to them being inseparable. I will wait for some counter examples from my personal experience before concluding to the contrary. Assertions from anonymous people on the internet won't suffice for me.

well, as for meeting someone who does not display those qualities simultaneously ... hello ... you've now met someone.

I have already stated that "I will wait for some counter examples from my personal experience before concluding to the contrary. Assertions from anonymous people on the internet won't suffice for me".

a good example of "envy" can be found in the driving force of the civil rights movement.
yes, some displayed greed but the driving force of the movement was envy ... one group desired the same advantage as another (equal rights)

Seeking justice is not envy. They put up with injustice until then and finally decided to demand an end to it.

greed is displayed when one covets the materialism of another.
greed is generally a driving force of one's own desire to acquire
(not necessarily steal from another)
ppl are not greedy for love, ppl are not greedy for forgiveness and ppl are not greedy for cooperation ... however, some ppl are envious of all the above.

Not sure what the point of this lesson on semantics is. Both greed and envy in this context relate to material wealth. In that context they are inseparable.

envy can be a productive force, so can greed and they can be equally destructive. each in their own way. the control of either is internal not external.

if your "empirical evidence" truly reflects what you state, it is a clear observation that you live a rather sheltered life. now that you've met someone who is not greedy or envious (most of the time), i would suggest you get out more.

You should probably come out of your imagined world. I don't have to go by your claims to know people who are neither greedy nor envious, I am one and I know several (most of my friends are neither greedy nor envious). I was saying the greedy failures inevitably become envious of the successful and those envious of others' wealth are so because they are greedy. Nothing you have said so far changes that. If you still don't get it, I give up.

reply to post by Observor

ya know, if you weren't so obtuse, self-absorbed, self-defeating and arrogant ... you might be able to participate in a communication regarding solutions but ... since you/they don't want anything from the previous generations, why then are they wandering around with their hands out ?? why are they even accepting supplies from the previous generations (all over the world) ... thought they didn't want any of that.

why then, after 2+ weeks are they still "deciding" why they are there and what the goal might be? hmmmm, 2 wks, multiple cities and they're still going ... yet, you consider them exercising their freedom as a trap so it can be taken away ?? that really makes no sense whatsoever.

you don't read much history do ya?
ever follow antiques and how they came to be?
many were hand-crafted by artisans, not corporations.
i would suppose all the registered personal/individual patents are just a figment of the imagination, right?
really dude, your tripe is rather out-dated for anyone with a brain and a desire to learn.

previous generations created work, they created all kinds of work ...
what does this generation do? oh, that's right, they whine.

i suppose when Gates and Jobs were just kids in a garage toying with a hobby, they must have had world domination training in order to independently develop the OS systems used by most ppl today, right?

i never said the lack of self-sustaining skills was exclusive to this generation ... the one you're from is lacking quite a bit as well ... as is my daughter and hers and your children (if schooled publicly) and theirs.
you guys really think this is something new ??
take a number and step to the back of the line ... we have tread these shores before.

and guess what ??? all those radical protestors of the 50s & 60s have now become your political masters in Washington, members of the Board of Governors of the FR, lobbyists in the ear of the POTUS, leading the oil and resource depletion agenda and the same ones who desire your demise today.
Yeah ... keep following their lead ... it's proven itself so very worthy.

Sure, you were destroying "others" to build for your "own". This generation simply doesn't consider you their "own". They are following the same principles as the previous generations of Americans.

with the above statement, you are either completely deluded, simply mistaken or seriously misled, your choice.
were you there ??? nope, sure didn't see ya
got any reference points for your BS ?? guess not or you would have already posted them.

i would bet that i personally have built more for those around me this year alone than you have all the years of your life.

IF we or you were following the lead provided by the ancestors to which you allude, the FR would have been dismantled faster than it was established. The lobbyists would have been hunted and hanged. The politicians would only generate funding from their potential constituents (not their own money or that of any industry). The voting turnout would be near 100% and the kangaroo court system would have been reformed long ago.

so big deal, 2 generations before you could have done things differently but they didn't ... they, like you were disillusioned or believed their leaders and look what and where it got them ... here.

well, if they are going to

define their own future rather than depend on someone else to tell them what it should be

perhaps they should step beyond the planning stage, don't ya think?
And, i'm kinda of the belief that as long as they are "mooching" to survive, they aren't even AT the planning stage yet ... kindly let the rest of us know when they step out into the real world, eh?

when you make statements like these ...

It will be a positive outcome alright, but for them. Whether it turns out positive for you or not is not something that worries them right now.

it is no wonder the rest of the sane ppl stand back, watch and wonder why the heck should we be worried about them?

suppose it never occurred to you that the elders could have dropped them in the woods, walked away and let them figure it all out for themselves ... but hey, keep believin' we don't give a rats' patutti, that'll get ya far in life.

believe me, if they are dumb enough to want a war, they'll get one.
if they are foolish enough to bring it to the communities, they will not become martyrs but fodder.
IF they are uneducated enough to believe the words you spout, they deserve their outcome.

civil war lasting generations ??? apparently you never heard of the Hatfield or McCoy families ... really dude, you should spend some of your efforts learning, it is always a good investment.

reply to post by Jason88
I think the guy on the right has an underarmour logo, that's not rank. The guy on the left is obviously Chair Force what with his hands in his pockets and all.

I have been following this and debating the previous media 'brownout' with some people. Then the other day CNN briefly covered the Bridge arrests on National TV so finally it's starting to get recognized. As far as the military going to show support goes, well lets just say there'd probably be a lot more showing up there if they didn't have a chain of command to contend with.

These folks protesting, yeah, maybe they have worthless degrees or made the stupid mistake of "hiding out" in grad school thereby accumulating more debt, but they're starting to look like a lost generation. And they need the help of us all if we're going to turn around the disparity of wealth and poor job creation throughout the world.

It's important to remember, these folks have things going for them, such as:

1. Most technologically savvy generation to date
2. Most well balanced for diversity in the work place
3. Best educated generation
4. Highly communicative skills

Let them protest, it's their (our) right. I just hope is means something in the end.

Originally posted by Sek82
reply to post by Jason88

 

I think the guy on the right has an underarmour logo, that's not rank. The guy on the left is obviously Chair Force what with his hands in his pockets and all.

I have been following this and debating the previous media 'brownout' with some people. Then the other day CNN briefly covered the Bridge arrests on National TV so finally it's starting to get recognized. As far as the military going to show support goes, well lets just say there'd probably be a lot more showing up there if they didn't have a chain of command to contend with.

Yeah, I agree with you. I blew up the pic and it looks like an UnderArmor logo from the turtleneck line of clothing (yes, I enjoy research): www.zimbio.com...

I've been following with this thread and others, as far as I can tell since they are servicemen who are discharged and possible vets, it's not clear what trouble they'd be in for wearing their dress blues as they're not active any longer. Even in the cammies, if they were active, they would not be able to wear those off base (Marine regs). Anyways, two guys wearing cammies is hardly enough in insight confidence that USMC vets are helping out.

reply to post by Honor93

I am tired of your incoherent rants. You aren't worth my time reading or responding to.

reply to post by Observor

wow, you really are confused, aren't you?
justice does not ever serve as a driving force for anything, even the acts of the LEOs

what one group desired was the same Advantage enjoyed by the other ... achieving it could be considered justice.
actually, since justice was previously applied by the Lincoln administration, this point is entirely moot.

years later and driven by envy resulted in the civil rights movement.
( oh, and let's not forget from Lincoln to the CW was nearly 2 generations of ppl )

in other words, since they refused to do it peacefully for themselves, they forced the govt to do it for them.
that IS history, whether you like it or not.

why are you consistently trying to put the cart Before the horse ??? that loco has no motion.

semantics ?? i made no mention of such, why are you?
oh that's right ... cause you have NO argument on either point and you KNOW it.
psssst, just because one context joins two separate forces together does not bind them forever

for your information, i happen to like my world ... good points and bad ... leaves room for improvement
IF you were not greedy or envious, you would not be involved in asking for hand-outs to survive
and apparently, you obviously need a lesson from someone.

regardless of How you say it, you are wrong and sadly mistaken. grow up and help a neighbor ... stop whining about what you refuse to do for yourself.
what you don't realize is that i reside in an area that has the highest concentration of millionare residents in the county, but guess what ?? even this area still has it's "ghetto" ... it's the bad amongst the good, you cannot separate or legislate it away. keep trying though, at least you're doing something right??

for someone who has no clue to declare that those of us who participate in alleviating the problems in our own communities are "not getting it" ... now that's rich

reply to post by Observor

bye bye loser ... and what a sore loser at that.
communication takes an effort, sad that you aren't up to the task.
communication is the key, apparently you can't be trusted with such.
thanks for the rhetoric ... if you find something new, feel free to try again

reply to post by Jason88


If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but after seeing this pic, I'm not sure they really are "Marines". You do know you can buy uniforms from army surplus stores, right?

reply to post by whywhynot


How in the world could you not comment on the nature of the protest? As they used to say in the sixties you are either part of the problem or part of the solution. Get off the fence. Which is it? Problem? or Solution?

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

No I didn't have a home I was buying when I was raising children. I was a renter as were most of my peers. LOL Heck I am a renter right now, and I really feel I am more free than most home owners. I have owned land, I say land as it wasn't a house on a smidge of ground it was acres and acres. Something most of this group have never even attempted let alone had an opportunity to do. Sadly, I don't see this generation as being interested in putting in the sacrifice and hard work we did to achieve the things people achieved here.

I grew up very differently from most of the protestors as not only was I in Alaska which is pretty different than most the rest of the country, I was in the backwoods...living like it was the 1800's...we didn't have electricity or running water. Winter temps could go to -60. There wasn't even a real road to my house LOL. But see the people in my *neighborhood* all had a dream. We were homesteaders and we did without many things....for land... we EARNED the land by how we developed it. My father and brother and I built our house out of the trees on the land. My whole area was part of a giant federal government *experiment* (that is actually what it says in the dictionary) I have a much different insight on *The New Deal* than this generation has read in history books, if in fact they even know what the New Deal was.

What I am seeing is a generation that understands they need to tear down some things...but I don't hear or see any of them talking about what they want to build or create to replace that which they want to tear down. This makes them prime targets for TPTB to take care of what is put in place to replace the destruction they hope to leave in their wake.

It's very vague, their *movement*.... Their demands and goals reflect their *diverse* views on what is wrong, the only thing they really seem to stand on in any kind of united way, is they are pissed. This isn't enough to achieve goals or garner supporters.

In some ways it is hard for me to understand some of the grievances of this generation but not in others. Mainly what I see that ticks me off is that society has screwed them on some levels and I don't blame them for being angry about it. But on the other hand I can see a bunch of spoiled kids having a little fit about *no fair*. Life has never been fair for any generation.

I will continue to question how and where they focus their anger. I maintain these kids are being duped and manipulated by the very powers that have screwed up their future. I will gladly help the smart ones anyway I can, the ones only wanting to destroy and take from others what they have earned I don't respect at all.

I really am on their side, they are our future after all.

This is going to be the next American revolution and it will bring a civil war your people will start fighting
your oppressed, corupt and greedy government and wall street. All of them are now week it is time to take over these rats and bring back our freedom and peace. In Canada protests will be starting on October 15 which I read in my local newspaper. Hopefuly we will win this battle because I don't want to become a slave
and no one else want to become one a well.

reply to post by lunatux

Having grown up in the 60's I agree with your statement. I think the part you have missed is since these protestors are being funded by radical left wing, socialist groups.... the funders are THE problem....we remember these guys, they blew up things in the 60's. For me this is a huge problem.

"If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you aint gonna make it with anyone anyhow.... " The song also addresses *minds that hate*

I am also all about solutions, my solution to the problems with this protest is to observe diligently... To speak my mind and hope to offer some guidance to those genuine protestors wanting a solution that works for the WHOLE country, not just for their wants. To keep myself aware of their progress, or lack of it and to step in only if/when the real powers behind this thing start to hurt our youth, or if/when the protestors start to think about the rest of the citizenry in the country.

People like me are not on any fence, never have been.

reply to post by Chance321


I know. Here's to being hopeful. That's all.

reply to post by bjarneorn

I absolutely understand there comes a time to make a stand. I am completely prepared to give my all to save the Constitution and this country.

I simply can not stand with nor for what the protest is currently about.

I do hope it grows and matures though I am very happy to see the current generation stand up.... now is the time to help them see reality, not the propaganda they are being fed. Now is the time to calmly explain and show them many things they do not know or understand. Whether they will care, remains to be seen.

There may well come a time to fight and a time to die.... this is not it.

Originally posted by getreadyalready

At some point, we will have to topple those unseen, unnamed people by any means necessary, or we will all live in serfdom forever.

Agreed, we have to topple them somehow ... since they aren't voted into office, there is no democratic way. And since the mob doesn't understand it, that ain't the way either.

I see no other solution, than violence.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Those most directly involved believe they can start a revolution.. A violent one.

They ultimately want martyrs.

Violence is the only thing, that could turn this into a real thing. Look at these crowds, and I'm not just talking about the crowd in "occupy wallstreet". I'm talking about all of the western world, the US, Iceland, Greece, Spain. These are people that don't know the meaning of solidarity. I listened to most of these, and I wouldn't lead them, because if things turn ugly they won't fight. So, being a leader will most likely get the leader killed ... nobody will lead a crowd like that.

Before this crowd, wether in the US or Europe, will be led by anyone ... they have to show that they can and will fight for what they want. Without that will, this is only a tool that plays up in the hands of the GOP.

Nobody wants to be a martyr, they won't lead a crowd like this, that is most likely to just abandon you when the bad men come and get you and your family.

Know what I mean?