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Originally posted by Honor93
Originally posted by Observor
Wonder if the "equality" you seek is restricted to those within the boundaries of your country/region or across the globe. If the latter, you might think of first giving up your computer until everyone in the world can afford one. If the former, wonder what the justification is.
see, this is where the soup turns to mudd.
your equality of possessions/materialism doesn't compare to the individual equality humans seek.
you 'think' that because i have one, i must have bought it ... surprise, you'd be wrong.
it was given to me over a period of time in pieces. i earned (not bought) each of them and then taught myself how to assemble it and here i am. since then, i've done the same for another 8 ppl and other than time and energy (both still free resources) what did it cost me, the neighbor, the taxpayer or the govt ??? nothing.
i didn't contribute to the money machine, i saved space in the dump, i re-cycled what others perceived as trash and i helped my fellow man ... what have you done lately?
the statement: you don't deserve one unless you earn one, is a valid point.
no one is insisting you buy one ... but that is still a free mans' choice.
just because you cannot control or channel your envy should not be the responsibility of the next guy.
Originally posted by Observor
Are you sure you wanted to address me?
I am not the one rooting for "equality", I was challenging the one rooting for it.
But there is one thing of your post that I would like to address. It is about envy. Envy and greed are a pair of inseparable qualities. It is not possible to be envious unless one is greedy in the first place and envy is inevitable among the greedy have-nots. You can't promote one and not expect the other to rise equally. The "capitalist" system promotes greed unashamedly and so inevitably leads to envy among those who don't succeed. If greed is good, so is envy. If envy is bad and needs to be controlled, so should greed be.
If the latter, you might think of first giving up your computer until everyone in the world can afford one. If the former, wonder what the justification is.
Originally posted by Cinaed
This is why you see most of the older peeps posting very level headed, advising that cool heads need to prevail. The more the younger generation harps on violence is the way to bring change they lose another patriot to their cause.
I find it pretty sad and very naive for the young to think they can do this in any manner that benefits the whole of the people with the current attitude, it makes them appear to not be interested one fig in the benefit of the whole.....
In the process they are alienating the very numbers you are all crying for.... This seems more like sissiness to me....but what do I know, I watched the REAL change making protests. This is not it.
It may well become violent, in fact I'd say it likely will.... all this will prove is the protest was duped all along by the fat cats funding it
Originally posted by Honor93
however, i responded from your post.
the equality you used as an example (materialistic) isn't the same equality the human race deserves, defends or desires. (hopefully what you stated is not the equality these protesters are after but i have my doubts)
envy & greed inseparable ??? are you kidding me?
they certainly are separate and rampant at that.
envy is not defined as an expression of greed.
courtesy MWebster envy -- painful or resentful awareness of an advantage enjoyed by another joined with a desire to possess the same advantage
just because one is greedy, does not necessarily mean they are envious of anyone.
me thinks you do not understand either.
i am routing for equality, just a different breed.
i am questioning your reasoning and understanding of said equality.
the smith & jones complex does not involve greed or envy ... it is a competition.
(albeit not the healthiest of competitions but it is not driven by greed or envy or a combination of them)
humans compete ... they always have, they always will.
envy is its very own monster as is greed and they seldom travel hand in hand.
the capitalist system does no such thing.
America hasn't been a capitalist country in nearly 100yrs.
you are sadly confused or seriously misled.
fyi, quite a few 'have-nots' are quite happy with their status, some even choose such.
(no envy or greed involved)
it is juvenile at best for you to assume that every one who possesses little desires more.
some of us were brought up with "less IS more" concept ... ever think of that one?
and yes, i prefer the 'less IS more' outlook and i still believe the capitalist model has much to offer.
and for the record ~~ "SELF control" manages both envy and greed quite well when employed.
you should try it sometime
These kids on the streets have little to lose, nothing to hope for the future
fantastic, they have the basic skill of networking, now use it for a positive outcome instead of a violent one.
and are well connected to each other.
You can bet your last penny they will continue to break every law, not just regarding peaceful protests, but even those regarding the life and property of others until they get what they want or are completely broken psychologically and become recluse.
I am neither greedy nor envious, so you are right I don't understand them from personal experience. However, I haven't met a greedy person who didn't envy those who had more nor a person who envied those who had more and wasn't greedy about getting the same. All the empirical evidence I have points to them being inseparable. I will wait for some counter examples from my personal experience before concluding to the contrary. Assertions from anonymous people on the internet won't suffice for me.
Originally posted by rogerstigers
Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
Hmmmm.... very skeptical about this "help"
They will "help" them "protest" by moving them away and into "free speech zones..."
As noted above, these are induvidual vetrans heading up there on their own volition.. not under any orders per se
The foundations of capitalism are that greed is good. It is not a bad idea to gain some knowledge instead of pronouncing on things you have no knowledge of.
Originally posted by gamesmaster63
You're correct, the Army doesn't issue dress blues.
Ah, but the Marines, Navy, and Air Force do, and he was a Marine vet talking.