Occupy Wall Street Has Begun!

Originally posted by seachange

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by AmericanNightmare89
I'm really not to sure what to think about this protest. One thing that gets me is why Wall Street? Why not outside the federal reserve? I guess I will just reserve judgment until i can read more in to this but i doubt this is the start that many people were looking for. I wonder how long it will be before the NYPD pulls out the sound cannons

Yes they have targeted Wall Street as the exemplary representative of Capitalism. In the Arab Spring they brought down Pro -western leaders. Here that is not what is happening.

The Federal Reserve, using their government-issued monopoly regulations, is "ground zero" for the economic collapse going on. They are by far the largest and most powerful bank in the world. You would think that perhaps the fact that the largest and most powerful banking institutions in the world are full-blown fascist enterprises having absolutely zero to do with capitalism would tell you that just maybe there is more to this problem than "greedy capitalists".

edit on 18-9-2011 by seachange because: (no reason given)

they should be at all the member banks, the senate and house. wall street is symbolic to a degree, but hradly the real problem

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reply to post by seachange


Getting at the truth is of the upmost importance in my opinion.

It was falsely rating bad loans that allowed the scam to exist. And that is an important point! There were regulations against fraud at the time they happened, so the regulations were there to stop a big part of the problem. Thats a regulation I believe in... I believe in having rules against fraud that everyone has to follow. And that rule can be about three sentences long... not tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of pages long like the business regulations we have now in the USA.

Now on this we agree.

Yes or no poet, did Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac, and the Federal reserve allow that scam to grow to record-shattering proportions?

I have already this in the previous post.

MY comment on the role of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

In addition, people who think like you elected politicians who don't believe in policing white collar crime, so instead of doing their jobs and shutting down this illegal activity, they encouraged it, and tried to claim it was proof of economic growth.

Do you recognize that electing politicians who don't believe in policing white collar crime, which is what the politicians who preach free market deregulation politics actually do, as the last decade clearly demonstrated.

This is what divides us in the middle. In so many discussions we get to this fence that divides us, and we can't eliminate it.

Over regulation is bad and so is under regulation. Politicians on both sides make regs over complicated, because it serves their corporate masters. The GW admins actually used regs to make things more difficult for small business, and easier for corporations.

More and more people who believe in a free market (and I think the concept is fine just not realistic) are waking up to the fact that the banks are the bad guys of late.

Ok, my yes or no question to you.

Do you recognize that the Banks are in fact the International Corporate Masters, and that free market ideologies plays into their hands like putty.

Originally posted by seachange

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by AmericanNightmare89
I'm really not to sure what to think about this protest. One thing that gets me is why Wall Street? Why not outside the federal reserve? I guess I will just reserve judgment until i can read more in to this but i doubt this is the start that many people were looking for. I wonder how long it will be before the NYPD pulls out the sound cannons

Yes they have targeted Wall Street as the exemplary representative of Capitalism. In the Arab Spring they brought down Pro -western leaders. Here that is not what is happening.

The Federal Reserve, using their government-issued monopoly regulations, is "ground zero" for the economic collapse going on. They are by far the largest and most powerful bank in the world. You would think that perhaps the fact that the largest and most powerful banking institutions in the world are full-blown fascist enterprises having absolutely zero to do with capitalism would tell you that just maybe there is more to this problem than "greedy capitalists".

edit on 18-9-2011 by seachange because: (no reason given)

I'm aware of the Fed and what's wrong with it. I've read Antony Sutton since the 80's. The problem I am having with this protest is that radical leftsits are on board and sponsoring it for the purpose of creating economic chaos and their goal is to destroy capitalism which they believe is responsible for the evil they see in corporatism. This is always the cry of communists and socialists. George Soros has been tinkering with the American economy as well as others for the express purpose of bringing down the Capitalist society he hates so much, even though he has gotten filthy rich off it. Is that not a bizarre split in consciousness?

The problem isn't right or left, capitialism, or communism.

The problems are fascism, totalitarianism, and corporatism. Our national governments are all being infiltrated, enthralled, and corrupted by the global multinational corporate hegemony.

It's really sad to see people constantly thinking inside the box... The ones that are worried about their 401k and giving a boost to the peanut butter companies.... Really? That's what you're worried about?

WAKE THE F UP!!!!!!!

When you have to work in exchange for basic necessities that is slavery. You have been trained to believe you don't deserve even BASIC HUMAN NECESSITIES if you do not submit, conform and support the system. I know that people are scared, they just want to take care of themselves and their families, and are willing to work for 45 YEARS or more at jobs they hate, that take them away from their families, that leave them tired, sleep deprived, and missing out on expanding their personal interests.

This system has been in place so long that many cannot see that it doesn't have to be this way. NONE OF IT.

What good will your 401k be when the dollar collapses?

We have to join together as a collective. We have to break ourselves out of bondage. We have to take back what is our birth right. We are not peons.

We are a wonder to behold, and united we are a force to be reckoned with. You want to give your children a good life? Then BREAK THE CYCLE of capitalistic consumerism and join the fight to ensure your children aren't enslaved as you have been. Teach them that people are more important than money.

Big changes are coming... The likes of which has never been seen and of which many can't even imagine.

Those that are already fighting, I salute you. Those who still hide behind their keyboards and enjoying their scraps afforded within their enslavement... It's not too late. It's never too late. Get involved.

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Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
The riot police are ready and waiting in NYC right now. They're trying to AGITATE protesters to get the gathering to become out of control to start arresting people to clear them out!!

The only thing that's agitating is your predication of the irrelevant, woeful lack of facts & grip on reality.

MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS BLACKING OUT THIS ENTIRE EVENT. no one knows about it who relies solely on TV media. they have disabled peoples' phones from facebook and twitter.

Seriously, what was that? A prediction? Wishful thinking? A straight out LIE?

Why doesn't the media report these type of activities? Because we have people running around in clown costumes making a mockery of a serious situation thinking they are a valuable asset. When in reality they are nothing more than useless pubescent jackwagons.

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reply to post by SilverStarGazer


Silver Star, that sounds a lot like the old socialist wish for a Utopia where evyerone's "basic needs" are taken care of regardless of whether they work or not. Unfortunately, it is the International Socialists who are promoting the anarchic takedown of Capitalism which they deem Wall Street to be the representation of. In Egypt the protesters wanted to get rid of Mubarak. In this rally they are calling for the downfall of Wall Street. Both are considered to be expolits of the Capitalist society. That is expressed in the sheer hatred of corporations and Capitalism. You can even see it in the chat log on the livestream. Don;t get me wrong. I am not for "corporatism" for that is abuse of the individual. I am against what abused individual rights, and that includes socialism, communism, globalism, etc. But the Soros connection behind this protest is being exposed by discrminating individuals.

Now why don't these socialists just dump all their tents and their cell phones and their livestreaming which the evil corporations made just so they can protest and get down to the nitty gritty of lving off the land au naturel with nothing but a wood stick for a toothbrush and leaves for wiping.

reply to post by SilverStarGazer


to break the cycle there is no need to protest or call for any change from outside of you. If you want to break the cycle just do it. Why do they need followers?

From what I have read, most of em have left.

This event was nothing, that is why nothing was reported. Show me some Greek style protests, and you will be doing something.

reply to post by SilverStarGazer


Let me ask you something? Do you know who George Soros is? Do you know that he is behind this Day of Rage stuff? ALong with Code Pink(he funds) and CPUSA(COmmunist Party USA), ACORN, SEIU. all the same people involved iwth the Obama corruption? Why would anyone want to support that? Also I am very suspicious now of ANON.

Hey guys, i was down there earlier today recording as much as possible especially for all of you

heres my reconnaissance flick of me scoping out the area

well, I went down there again today..wish I could say it was a rousing experience, but, not so much. a couple hundred people at 5pm..the organizers were not organized, it was pretty quiet. these guys need a LEADER. This isn't gonna get it done, sad to say. TPTB aren't gonna be shakin' in their boots because of this crew. and, the cops were laid back. no issues.there were a lot of them, but, calm scene when I left. on the plus side, there was free pizza and apples

reply to post by StarPeace


You are right friend!
But I notice your handle is reminiscent of another age, one about 50 years back.
Those kids were idiot/ retard looking kids spouting abunch of blah blah as well.
That generation bought their children about 30 years of relative peace.
Just what if every generation could do the same?
All that matters now is that people realize that something is wrong with the machine.
We don't need to get a new one, we just need to replace some defective parts, then she'll run great for a few more decades.
Hope it helps.

reply to post by AmericanNightmare89


I think why wall street and not another area is it is something that all of the poor can agree on.
Some folks still will not admit that the federal reserve is not a US institution and no more federal than FedEx.
So for now the Fed idea is still considered the "crazy conspiracy theory".
We just need to get the people to agree that something is wrong, from there folks curiosity will take hold and lead them down the Wabbit hole.
Then, you will see some pissed off peasants in the streets.
Hope it helps.

heres another one i made when i finally found the gathering

i just wish i had more than 4GB with me, was only able to record up to 30mins entirely at the time

reply to post by AmericanNightmare89


You are most probably right, but we must give them the benefit of the doubt.
Lemme tell you a short story, I lost one fight in my life, I never actively looked to get into a fight except for one time which I was mostly ashamed of.
I believe that is why I lost, I fought for the wrong reason.
There is something that the moral high ground gives you I believe.
If they "the enemy" casts the first stone, then we do have a reason to go weapons free, then they will have made peaceful revolution impossible and bloody the only resort.
Hope it helps

Still a little activity back there...

www.livestream.com...

Originally posted by seachange

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by AmericanNightmare89
I'm really not to sure what to think about this protest. One thing that gets me is why Wall Street? Why not outside the federal reserve? I guess I will just reserve judgment until i can read more in to this but i doubt this is the start that many people were looking for. I wonder how long it will be before the NYPD pulls out the sound cannons

Yes they have targeted Wall Street as the exemplary representative of Capitalism. In the Arab Spring they brought down Pro -western leaders. Here that is not what is happening.

The Federal Reserve, using their government-issued monopoly regulations, is "ground zero" for the economic collapse going on. They are by far the largest and most powerful bank in the world. You would think that perhaps the fact that the largest and most powerful banking institutions in the world are full-blown fascist enterprises having absolutely zero to do with capitalism would tell you that just maybe there is more to this problem than "greedy capitalists".

edit on 18-9-2011 by seachange because: (no reason given)

Yeah capitalism isn't the problem. Last time I checked, anyone in this country was free to start a business and if you provided a great product or service, you could grow to become as rich as you wanted. Corporations aren't a problem either in and of themselves; the problem is simply corrupt CEO's abusing their wealth, and corrupt politicians abusing their legislative powers, and the two of them making deals and passing laws for the sole purpose of each of them getting richer at the expense of the little guy whether it's legal and ethical or not.

here's a good video from today...

I'm not saying there is only one way to protest and I'm not naive... History shows us that there have always been those who play both sides to further their own agendas. Anon is aware that because of the nature of their collective, it opens them up to infiltration in an attempt to either capitalize or to invoke agitation to escalate into violence. These issues have been discussed amongst Anon and they remain vigilant. If Anonisnt for you that's fine. They still care about you whether or not the sentiment is reciprocated. Yes, change comes from within us as individuals, but that alone is not going to be enough. We aren't on a level playing field... Rules have to be broken if we have any chance of winning. There will be collateral damage and loss, and occupying Wall Street won't be the end all be all, it's just another piece of the puzzle. We all know the system is broken, and I'm not personally pushing any social structure. All I want is for people to stop complaining and start acting. Stop feeding the monster that is enslaving us all. I don't pretend I have all the answers because no one person or any elite group should be spouting answers. The whole point that is being missed here is that harboring old rhetoric and siting facts of failed social structures is playing within the old paradigm. It's not going to change anything. Perhaps many have been a product of the system for too long, are comfortable being enslaved, and have lost their ability to imagine new possibilities and lack the creativity to positively aid in creating a new paradigm. In that case I feel sorry for you, but I also forgive you and all those like you who allowed this to happen to our world.

We will continue fighting for you even if you hate us, fear us, or think us foolish. We have compassion and we have a vision for HUMANITY. We will keep fighting through your naysaying and criticism because we know that's just what you've been programmed to think. When the day comes that you realize you were wrong, we will welcome you with open arms. We will not continue to live in your paradigm. We will change it or we will die trying.

You don't have to be Anon but don't be just a spectator either. If you don't agree, produce solutions for ways to bridge the gap. We want to work together. We want to use our time being productive for OUR future, not to make corporations or the elite richer. YOU and I are worth more than we've been told and taught. If you don't believe that you are worth more and that everyone is worth equal, then again I feel sorry for you. You've been lied to. It doesn't have to be this way. I hope all of you learn to love yourselves and your fellow humans. WE ARE WORTH IT.