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Praying in Paris streets outlawed

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posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 09:10 PM
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Wow, some of you - read the OP.

Nothing wrong with praying in public, but when you block the streets / have private guards (thugs) then you are infringing on the rights of others.





posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 09:37 PM
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Do they do this in their own country?
I don’t think so. Send in the riot squad!
They are bullying and making trouble
To get their own way.
Most of they are parasites.
When we stop them getting their own way
You will see a start to a war!
Terrorism first. so we don kick them all out.
Only when the war start will they get kickt out.
then the street fighting will start.
normal people fighting them.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 09:43 PM
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Then you don't outlaw praying... You outlaw blocking the street. It's like making a hate crime like murdering someone for being gay, black, chinese, insert whatever here. You don't need to make a new crime. Murder is already a crime, Assault and battery is already a crime. By making a special exception for motivation, you are stating that you can punish someone for their thoughts... it's 1984.... for realz....

Jaden



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 09:44 PM
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reply to post by loves a conspiricy
 


I'd step on their #ing heads and walk right over the top of them...

Jaden



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 09:45 PM
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reply to post by lifeissacred
 


Yeah but they'd run out of tickets to hell pretty fast and there'd be chaos since no one could die anymore....

Jaden



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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LET ME GO STRAIGHT TO THE POINT !!!!

first i'v read most of the comment and many of you, like it or not, you have a big issue with humanity... i don"t understand you but all those story about religions are really the result of archaic mind, 2011 and you are still talking about it like 800 years ago !!! it really is a profound lack of intelligence...

let me explain you something...where I live is a popular area, there Muslim, Jewish, Asian, Indian and more and more Americans... and all these people live all together... the problem with the prayer in the street start when the muslim ask for a place to pray and government would not listen, they asked and asked but nothing happen so they start to pray in the street... after a year of discution and debate and all the video and comment we saw on internet finaly when the damage was done, the governement decide to give a place for to let them pray... and in the same time make the pray outlaw this is just ridiculous ... why the governement did not do it in the first place ? the french muslim want just one thing pray in safe place that's all...and many french people was asking for that, don't let them pray on the street they are not dog...and why we do not agree with the prayers in the street it's just because we are talking about human beings and not animals, they was blocking the street to protest like many peoples do when no one want to listen to them.
you have to stop fantasizing in your head and find a better occupation more productive than hatred and ignorance... poor world. and please dont tell me i'm muslim, because i'm not and i don't give a damn about any religion, i think god is more subtil...
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posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 10:06 PM
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The red flags and the fists in the air, a red flag to me and all Ineed to know.
You know what? I realized that France is a socialist State, and the govt is expected to "give" them a place to worship. So now the State doesnt "give" them that thing, they just take what they want.

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posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 10:07 PM
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i lived in PAris before i moved back in NY
I was living two streets away from the muslim district
let me tell you, i was awfuly unsafe

every friday the street was blocked by over 500 praying muslims, no traffic or anything
worse, you couldnt wallk in the distrect at night, and for womens, it was even worse

around 50 rapes occured in the area in only ONE year, even the police was scarred to step here

mosquee sprouted around the area, but the majority of muslims didnt wanted to gather here (wonder why)

even alcohol was frickin banned in the area
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posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 10:34 PM
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you know what! they give them a place and i don't give a damn about socialism, all I know is not allowed to pray for people on the street when it rains or snows, now I think politics and religion are the two major disease in the world, from centuries people fight and tears for political and religious issue, I do not understand the reasoning of some people,i don't give a damn if you are Christian, Muslim or Republican or Democrat, you real value are not there, it's just sad that people do not understand, we are still at the stone age...you talk about jihad... yes there a small group of people who think france could be a muslim country but it's just a fantasy, like Some of you think like them that France may become a muslim country ... finally you have in common with those jihadist, you're hateful, ignorant, and a total lack of common sense.
you are labeling us as socialist but we are just human and this is one of our core values​​. like it or not.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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Some people have argued about freedom of religion in regards to the 1st amendment here in the States when comparing this issue in France. But we also have freedom to travel. You can have your religion, but once you interfere with other people there tends to be consequences.



In other words, that kind of thing doesn't fly too well over here.

But the point about a new law not being needed is correct. Lack of enforcement in regards to existing law often is where the problem lies. Fines, arrests, and deportation where applicable should quickly get the message across that there are certain expectations to social order.

You don't like the laws of a country? Well, it's not like most of them are forcing you to stay there. It's not that hard to figure out. Oh, but you like their standards of living? If you still can't deal with how they live and their rules then tough luck, save up and pack your bags anyways. There's likely a reason why some countries have a certain standard of living and perhaps it has something to do with the kind of society you're not willing to fit into. If you bothered to read history books half as much as religious texts, perhaps you'd understand that.

Then again, a lot of the problems has to do with too much tolerance in some parts of the world in regards to who they let in. People that can't leave certain baggage behind only serve to bring the exact same problems which they were supposedly running away from. In that case, they shouldn't be accepted under refugee status.
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posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 10:45 PM
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"i lived in ny for one years
let me tell you, i was awfuly unsafe

you couldnt wallk in the distrect at night, and for womens, it was even worse...

around 438 rapes occured in the area in only ONE year, even the police was scarred to step here

Crime in New York City

en.wikipedia.org...

this just stupid , you are talking about la goutte d'or ?... and there is unsafe place everywhere... you are just racist that's all, don"t be afraid to say it ... i'm a racist



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 11:10 PM
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If you go to a country, and don't like their laws, or their people, then leave. Plain and simple.
If you go to a country, and act disrespectful (by praying in the streets and blatantly disobeying laws that the natives of that country obey) then don't act shocked when the law finally comes knockin'.

I don't care who you are. Muslim, Christian, Jewish, buddhist. If you, and tons of your other religious followers are illegally blocking MY path to MY house, or blocking MY path to MY job, I will be in your face about it, and it will come to blows if you can't see that you're the one causing the problems.

I lived in Portland, Maine for a good long while, and the muslim population was growing very very fast there.
So many times I would be standing in line at the grocery store service desk waiting to cash my paycheck, along with 5-10 others typically, and what would happen? A muslim woman and her 2 screaming children would walk up to the desk, blatantly circumventing the obvious line, and expect service. Most of the time no-one else would say anything. I -ALWAYS- did, and I -always- got them booted to the back of the line, right where they belonged. That's life. Tough luck. I don't give a damn if things are different where you come from. You don't have the right to just cut in front of everyone else in my country. I don't care who you are. I don't care if you're a muslim, a christian, an atheist, black, white. I don't care.

Am I hateful? I sure am, and i'm proud to say it. I'm hateful of -ANYONE- from ANY walk of life who thinks they can come into my country and start trying to have things THEIR way through unfair means. I get even MORE hateful when they start to whine and act assaulted over something that they weren't justified in doing, or having, to begin with.

I have a lot of hate, for a lot of people. My hate transcends religion, skin color, sexual preference, gender. It's how you ACT that determines if I have hate for you, or love for you.

Cheers
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posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 11:55 PM
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If it really is as you say, and there blocking of the streets is not there faults but the governments why are people taking hidden camera videos of them? and obviously its there fault they CHOOSE to go into the streets gather as a group block off the streets and stand vigil as they raise there butts high in the air. Is this somehow not offensive? Hardly a silent protest, obviously the majority of the non Muslim French don’t like this??



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 12:42 AM
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People keep refering to the Christian domination of society to justify the muslim attitude to toward society today . Fine you go ahead and point out that Islam and it's followers are 500 years behind the rest of the world. You point out that Islam believes that religion should rule state rather than be seperate and therefor in a dark age.

Westerners became free to think for themselves when church was seperated from state and islam wants religion first then state. They want the world back in a dark age.

Every minority group has sufferd some kind of criticism from the general community at some point in time but, at least in Australia, never before have all religions and races been fed up with the attitude of just one group.

Every race and religion is sick of the attitude coming out of the muslim community. It's bad attitude toward the beliefs of others, the laws of state and in particular the non muslim females.

The Cronulla riots were sparked in Sydney because for too long were western girls were harrased and abused by muslim men, and most not young, on the beaches and assumed by the muslim community to be no better than prostitutes because they wore bikinis. Because for too long were non muslim boys being blocked from entering the rock pools by groups of muslim men when there were muslim girls in the pools. Because one day a life guard orderd a group of muslim men off a beach for harassing girls and was beat up by a gang of muslims for doing his job.

And the Authorities did nothing up to that point.

It wasn't just white Australians at the riots. The broad community was represented though the media didn't seem to want to show that.



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 02:16 AM
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So..... last night thoudans of Muslims went to pray at the building that was given them for that. The people there were all happy and excited about the new big mosque that will be built, and felt the building they'd been given in the meantime was great. In a few places a dozen people prayed outside their regular mosques because they hadn't heard the news (which has been diffused for the last two weeks). Of course no one was arrested or bothered.

A small group of extremist protestors showed up at the new place of worship, and were yelling, and basically everyone else was offended by this and they were told to shut up and pray.

One of the extremists was interviewed, and he said the government had to" fulfil their responsibilities" in building mosques. Pitchdragon, you, too, said something of this sort.

I cannot say how that rubs me the wrong way! The government does not have for responsibility building or paying for ANY places of worship!!!!!! FREEDOM of religion means each has the right and responsibility for their religious worship! The members of a religion are to get together and fund the construction of their mosque, church, or temple. The government does not fund the construction of Christian churches, of protestant temples, Jewish synagogues..... WHY do you figure they should be funding your Mosques?????

Apparently this spoiled child behavior has brung forth fruit because they are going to- tax paying people like me are going to be paying for your mosque. Half my income going out each month is fine with me when I think it is going to be helping people get medical aid they really need, young couples get a start towards autonomy, students being able to get a higher education.....but paying for your place of worship is offensive as hell (and I would say the same if they decided to build a christian church ).

I am all for freedom of belief and religion, but not making others pay for it!!! If we are going to pay for it, that means we (taking that responsibility) have the right to dictate what religion you shall practice (I think I'll make you Budhist). You want that right instead? THEN YOU DEAL WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT COMES WITH IT.

I'm disgusted with this government. Racism and predjudice is about to shoot to a new high. Do you know how many people I spoke with last night, that upon hearing they are going to pay for this big mosque, are considering voting for LePen??



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 02:19 AM
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I think everyone should have a big prayer session in front of the parliament, courts and police stations of every faith. It takes standing up to tyrants to overcome them. Its a bit of work, and planning. Then doing it, nonstop, until the threat is over.
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posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 03:04 AM
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WOW there's a lot of hate here toward Islam..Disrespect..insults..I don't get it...We Muslims never insulted christ or made a caricature of him and of christians in general or mocked a religious symbol...some people don't distinguish between true muslims and terrorists and that's the big problem..not every "muslim" is true "muslim"..Islam call for peace and tolerance and one of the most important rules "do not hurt anyone unless he hurted you first" ..Anyhow..I live in An islamic country and it's very rare to see someone praying here...The french gouverment is just trying to provoke muslims as always...Salam Alaykom



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 03:09 AM
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As a Muslim, I approve of this.

Streets are not clean. Muslims are supposed to pray where its CLEAN. The most you can do is sand in the desert, but the street???



Also...getting attention to yourself and causing 'chaos' so to speak is un-Islamic. Islam is a religion of understanding. A man who is working can very well sit inside the cab and pray while sitting if he cannot stand up properly. Goodness what is the world coming to? -.-

If a Muslim is so uneducated that they don't even know what is right and wrong way to pray, without causing public disunity, then they shouldn't be surprised when it happens and blame the government.
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posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 03:17 AM
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Originally posted by Varemia
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Usually hiding the camera is to capture what the people are "really" doing. When people see a camera, often they make a point to suddenly start following the rules and being good. When the camera is hidden, they will act in very different manners.


In this case the camera is hidden because if it was not, the person filming would get attacked, and most likely very hurt.



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 03:36 AM
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Umm wow, I was just making an observation, and I did not use the term jihad, you did. But interesting.It does kind of remind me of the type of "sit-ins" they used to do in the 60's, although they were more of the peace-and-love kind of thing.
Anyway, wish you and your countrymen the best.



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