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Originally posted by tangonine

Pretty sure you're missing the part where they DNA'd his body prior to dumping it into the sea to ensure it was him.

Mission control to tango-niner! Come in tango-niner!
Mission control to tango-niner! Come in tango-niner!

Damn it! We lost him!
He went down in an inglorious blaze sir!
Duuuuude!!! Nooooooo!!!!

He just didna believe. Or maybe he believed too dang much!
'He just hadna got the pirr, ka-pin'.

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by waypastvne

 

So, no URL to the site that shows the forensic method used to match the parts to the flights that allegedly left the airports?

I have been involved in aircraft accident investigations. The NTSB has never asked me as the manufacturer to positively identify the aircraft by forensic means.

Can you prove this part is not from N 612 UA Truther ?

Ha! Try again!

Originally posted by pshea38

Originally posted by tangonine

Pretty sure you're missing the part where they DNA'd his body prior to dumping it into the sea to ensure it was him.

Mission control to tango-nine! Come in tango-nine!
Mission control to tango-nine! Come in tango-nine!

Damn it! We lost him!
He went down in an inglorious blaze sir!
Duuuuude!!! Nooooooo!!!!

I LOL'd

Originally posted by tangonine

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by tangonine

 

Oh boy, when all else fails, they drag out the "I witnessed it" story.

Haven't heard that one before.

If you witnessed a plane entering a building like a hot knife through butter, you witnessed the same thing the rest of us did. A movie.

No. Genius. I was there.

uh oh, this is going to get interesting.... someone who claims that they were there when it happened? tell us the details please......and don't miss a lick because I'll check up on every word you say.....

Here is what Commander Ted Muga had to say.....

The maneuver at the Pentagon was just a tight spiral coming down out of 7,000 feet. And a commercial aircraft, while they can in fact structurally somewhat handle that maneuver, they are very, very, very difficult. And it would take considerable training. In other words, commercial aircraft are designed for a particular purpose and that is for comfort and for passengers and it's not for military maneuvers. And while they are structurally capable of doing them, it takes some very, very talented pilots to do that. ... When a commercial airplane gets that high, it gets very, very close to getting into what you refer to as a speed high-speed stall. And a high-speed stall can be very, very violent on a commercial-type aircraft and you never want to get into that situation. I just can't imagine an amateur even being able to come close to performing a maneuver of that nature. And as far as hijacking the airplanes, once again getting back to the nature of pilots and airplanes, there is no way that a pilot would give up an airplane to hijackers. ... I mean, hell, a guy doesn't give up a TV remote control much less a complicated 757. And so to think that pilots would allow a plane to be taken over by a couple of 5 foot 7, 150 pound guys with a one-inch blade boxcutter is ridiculous. And also in all four planes, if you remember, none of the planes ever switched on their transponder to the hijack code. There's a very, very simple code that you put in if you suspect that your plane is being hijacked. It takes literally just a split-second for you to put your hand down on the center console and flip it over. And not one of the four planes ever transponded a hijack code, which is most, most unusual. ... Commercial airplanes are very, very complex pieces of machines. And they're designed for two pilots up there, not just two amateur pilots, but two qualified commercial pilots up there. And to think that you're going to get an amateur up into the cockpit and fly, much less navigate, it to a designated target, the probability is so low, that it's bordering on impossible."

Here is what Ralph Omholt (Pilot) had to say ....

"Almost nothing in the "official" 9-11 account proves to be factual. For all the purported U.S. failures; no one was punished - most were rewarded. At the 9-11 Pentagon, the world witnessed a fire and suggestions of explosions. Airport fire trucks rushed to the scene of a purported “crash” site - without discovering an airplane. There is no viable evidence of burning jet fuel. Just the statement, "They say it was an airplane." The pre-collapse Pentagon section showed no ‘forward-moving’ damage. The damage is at the wrong location. The expected “crash” damage doesn't exist. There was no particular physical evidence of the expected "wreckage." There was no tail, no wings; no damage consistent with a B-757 “crash.” Even the Pentagon lawn was undamaged! The geometry of the day certifies the ‘official’ account as a blatant lie. The few aircraft parts discovered at the Pentagon are highly suspect. The dramatic "witness" accounts lack supporting physical evidence - with the exception of those who described the incredibly few aircraft parts. All images show that the building wasn't aggressively searched for survivors. Lacking any 'expected' clues, one is left to ask "Who said this was an airplane crash, in the first place?" The purported Flight 93 crash site in Pennsylvania is quite similar. Since 9-11, it was discovered that there was no expected Air Force fighter response. By all appearances, the expected fighters were held back from interfering with; or witnessing the unfolding events. The fighter onboard electronics would have not only offered an intercept target, but would have displayed and recorded the forbidden reality of the day. Of particular interest would be the fate of two obviously missing airliners. The alleged hijackers apparently were not on board the aircraft! Their names were not on any passenger manifests - yet shown. The ‘names’ of at least seven of the alleged hijackers were discovered to be still alive - with no questions being asked about whom the real hijackers were. No attempt has been made to discover the “known terrorists.” There were at least four hijackers – all evidence pointing to their being highly qualified jet pilots - not zealous Arab wannabes. As the names of “al Qaeda” and “bin Laden” continue to be pandered in the shadows of ‘terrorism,' journalists continue to discover that the bin Laden family was given the treatment of royalty, immediately following 9-11. ...

You mean to tell me you cannot go onto this site... patriotsquestion911.com... and read ALL the PEOPLE who believe in their PROFESSIONAL opinion that our Government is full of sh&^??

You can say "truther" all day every day. I love being a truther.....why would I want to be a "falser"?

Originally posted by patternfinder

Originally posted by tangonine

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by tangonine

 

Oh boy, when all else fails, they drag out the "I witnessed it" story.

Haven't heard that one before.

If you witnessed a plane entering a building like a hot knife through butter, you witnessed the same thing the rest of us did. A movie.

No. Genius. I was there.

uh oh, this is going to get interesting.... someone who claims that they were there when it happened? tell us the details please......and don't miss a lick because I'll check up on every word you say.....

I was there. 14 blocks away. But anyone can google a location and say they were there. So it's pretty pointless.

I was in NY visiting my daughter. She got knocked up by some dude from Newburgh. Me being Italian, I flew in to tell her she'd be fine. 2d day into the trip, I was in her apt when the news came on CNN and people were going ape#.

That's all you get.

Originally posted by patternfinder

Originally posted by tangonine

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by tangonine

 

Oh boy, when all else fails, they drag out the "I witnessed it" story.

Haven't heard that one before.

If you witnessed a plane entering a building like a hot knife through butter, you witnessed the same thing the rest of us did. A movie.

No. Genius. I was there.

uh oh, this is going to get interesting.... someone who claims that they were there when it happened? tell us the details please......and don't miss a lick because I'll check up on every word you say.....

Years ago I communicated with a man who said he worked in the WTC and that he had left the building 13 hours before the first plane hit. He was not there at the time.

But he said the columns were the same all of the way up the building. They might look the same from the outside but they could not be the same. The wall of the box columns got thicker. So being there does not give people X-ray vision. So it doesn't mean much.

psik

RUT ROW....

She's back!!!!!

I am so sorry....but this is such a tragedy for the men and women and children who were sadly changed forever on this day. We were ALL changed in an instant and to think our OWN GOVERNMENT was involved is another tragedy in and of itself. SO SO SAD! We can only speculate the WHY! I for one do not care for an excuse. Knowing they had everything to do with it is enough for me. There are so many unanswered questions....puzzles to the pieces do NOT add up at all. I have no idea why anyone would think some young jihadists with minimal aviation training/hours could pull off STUNTS like they supposedly did on this dreadful day. This is just not right and for anyone to come to this thread denying the proof and denying the facts should hang their head low! Change your thinking...do not be so gullible to believe the US government had nothing to do with this!!

If I had lost a loved one on that day...It would be my lifes mission to get to the bottom of what really happened on September 11!!!! I would fight tooth and nail to KNOW. I would want the truth for all involved. So many people lost their lives that day. It was awful!!! Never before have we been a nation to allow our Government to commit such a crime until now. Now we just sit back and remain all cozy and just not give a damn. It is so sad!

Here is Dennis Cimino's Statement:

Dennis Cimino – Commercial pilot rating for over 25 years. Systems Engineer. Navy Combat Systems Specialist (Radar, ECM, UHF/VHF/HF COMMS., GPS, INS, SATNAV, cryptographic communications). Millimeter wave RADAR and countermeasures expert since 1973. Two patents held for Doppler RADAR. Former Flight Data Recorder Engineer, Smiths Aerospace. Statement to this website 6/3/07: "I have been a licensed pilot with a commercial rating, multi-engine, IFR, since 1981. Prior to that I served as an Electronic Warfare / Electronic Signals Intelligence (EW ELINT) specialist in the U.S. Navy, with many 'first time' signal intercepts in the national (NSA) sigint database. Since I left the Navy in 1979, I have been heavily involved in DoD weapons system testing and certification. I have held high level clearances most of my career. There is no doubt in my mind that what transpired on September 11, 2001, was an inside job carried out by members of our own government. Based on my experience as a commercial pilot, I do not believe that it's possible for four large commercial airliners to have gone off course for as long as they did and as far as they did and were not intercepted by Air Force pilots, without the explicit cooperation of highly placed people in the military and government. I also do not believe that both of the WTC Twin Towers could have been identically pulverized and that both identically collapsed into their own footprints as a result of a single airplane impact and the fire from a few thousand gallons of jet fuel. I also do not believe that WTC Building 7, which wasn't even hit by an airplane, could have entirely collapsed as a result of a few fires, particularly in a manner that is entirely consistent with a controlled demolition. Additionally, the visible evidence at the Pentagon is inconsistent with an impact by a Boeing 757. There was virtually no debris from the 80-ton airplane, except a few small pieces that were picked up by hand. Nor was there any evidence of holes in the building that surely would have resulted from the impacts of the two 6-ton RB-211 engines on the alleged Boeing 757. Similarly, at Shanksville, PA, the small gash in the earth is far too small to have resulted from the impact of a Boeing 757. All of these factors have convinced me that our government was fully onboard with what took place on 9/11. The official account of 9/11 is absolute B.S. We, as citizens of this great country, need to do research, question the government, and demand a full, impartial investigation to determine what actually took place that day."

patriotsquestion911.com...

patriotsquestion911.com...

Originally posted by MamaJ

If I had lost a loved one on that day...It would be my lifes mission to get to the bottom of what really happened on September 11!!!! I would fight tooth and nail to KNOW. I would want the truth for all involved.

And there is the rub, MamaJ. Where are ALL the victim families who should be raising hell,
now more than ever? We have had the same few victim family members (about 50) giving off
the usual soundbites over and over again over the last 10 years (many have hung up the
gloves and retired from the fight at this stage). Where are ALL the rest, who should be up
in arms and vying for blood?
You were correct earlier on when you mentioned that 9/11 was a Hoax (at least I think it
was you). I believe the above victim family members were/are hired actors, employed to
continuously reinforce to the public the notion that there were actual/real victims that day.
I have come to realise, through mountains of evidence that most of the 9/11 victims
were computer generated identities with no real existences.
It is infinitely easier to get people on board a mass hoax, as opposed to a mass murder.
The human loss aspect was a necessary element to the hoax, and was used to galvanise
the public in grief and anger, deliberately encorporated to justify the contrived, pre-planned
wars and conquests.
I have come to believe that very few, if any people died that day, and we all have been
subjected to what must be the biggest hoax in history.

Vicsims-The Simulated Victims Of 9/11

It is hard to get ones head around at first, but after awhile, in conjunction with indisputable
evidence for 9/11 video fakery, it begins to make more and more sense.

9/11 Video Fakery

Originally posted by tangonine

Originally posted by patternfinder

Originally posted by tangonine

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by tangonine

 

Oh boy, when all else fails, they drag out the "I witnessed it" story.

Haven't heard that one before.

If you witnessed a plane entering a building like a hot knife through butter, you witnessed the same thing the rest of us did. A movie.

No. Genius. I was there.

uh oh, this is going to get interesting.... someone who claims that they were there when it happened? tell us the details please......and don't miss a lick because I'll check up on every word you say.....

I was there. 14 blocks away. But anyone can google a location and say they were there. So it's pretty pointless.

I was in NY visiting my daughter. She got knocked up by some dude from Newburgh. Me being Italian, I flew in to tell her she'd be fine. 2d day into the trip, I was in her apt when the news came on CNN and people were going ape#.

That's all you get.

edit on 17-8-2011 by tangonine because: (no reason given)

ok, so you didn't see what happened...in fact, you didn't even know about it till the news came on and you were 14 blocks away? wtf?

reply to post by pshea38


Oh no doubt......the more I dig in regards to this subject the angrier I become. I have to calm myself down when I research this topic. It is unbelievable what "they" have tried to cover up. They also really suck at doing so.

When I read what you stated......I could not believe my eyes. I just cannot believe we are not doing anything about it. Where are the protests, riots, people demanding answers? I want to know now more than ever..... I really do. None of us will ever forget it. THEY did it. They are the ones responsible and they must be held accountable.

Our Government has become a disgrace to the People.

Originally posted by pshea38

Originally posted by tangonine

Pretty sure you're missing the part where they DNA'd his body prior to dumping it into the sea to ensure it was him.

Mission control to tango-niner! Come in tango-niner!
Mission control to tango-niner! Come in tango-niner!

Damn it! We lost him!
He went down in an inglorious blaze sir!
Duuuuude!!! Nooooooo!!!!

He just didna believe. Or maybe he believed too dang much!
'He just hadna got the pirr, ka-pin'.

edit on 17-8-2011 by pshea38 because: (no reason given)

HAHAHA...

I'm crying over here!

Originally posted by MamaJ
reply to post by pshea38

 

Oh no doubt......the more I dig in regards to this subject the angrier I become. I have to calm myself down when I research this topic. It is unbelievable what "they" have tried to cover up. They also really suck at doing so.

Yeah, so much for the old canard; "there's no way they could keep it secret!"...

Never understood that one, I mean, aren't we talking about it?

They suck at it indeed...obviously it wasn't the A team.

Originally posted by Yankee451

Originally posted by pshea38

Originally posted by tangonine

Pretty sure you're missing the part where they DNA'd his body prior to dumping it into the sea to ensure it was him.

Mission control to tango-niner! Come in tango-niner!
Mission control to tango-niner! Come in tango-niner!

Damn it! We lost him!
He went down in an inglorious blaze sir!
Duuuuude!!! Nooooooo!!!!

He just didna believe. Or maybe he believed too dang much!
'He just hadna got the pirr, ka-pin'.

edit on 17-8-2011 by pshea38 because: (no reason given)

HAHAHA...

I'm crying over here!

edit on 17-8-2011 by Yankee451 because: (no reason given)

We might hate each other, but that was some funny sht.

Originally posted by patternfinder

Originally posted by tangonine

Originally posted by patternfinder

Originally posted by tangonine

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by tangonine

 

Oh boy, when all else fails, they drag out the "I witnessed it" story.

Haven't heard that one before.

If you witnessed a plane entering a building like a hot knife through butter, you witnessed the same thing the rest of us did. A movie.

No. Genius. I was there.

uh oh, this is going to get interesting.... someone who claims that they were there when it happened? tell us the details please......and don't miss a lick because I'll check up on every word you say.....

I was there. 14 blocks away. But anyone can google a location and say they were there. So it's pretty pointless.

I was in NY visiting my daughter. She got knocked up by some dude from Newburgh. Me being Italian, I flew in to tell her she'd be fine. 2d day into the trip, I was in her apt when the news came on CNN and people were going ape#.

That's all you get.

edit on 17-8-2011 by tangonine because: (no reason given)

ok, so you didn't see what happened...in fact, you didn't even know about it till the news came on and you were 14 blocks away? wtf?

well, jesuz, I aplogize for not being johnny on-the-spot. Are you srs?

reply to post by tangonine

We might hate each other, but that was some funny sht.

Aww man....you killed my buzz. I don't hate you...and I'm pretty sure you don't hate me.

I have run into several people who have claimed they saw or know someone who saw the jet, and in each case they can't offer anything other than the claim.

It is my personal opinion JASSM missiles were used, and I believe that if I saw or heard a 500 MPH JASSM out of the corner of my eyes, and then heard about jets hitting the towers, and then watched it on TV, I'd probably be convinced I saw a jet too.

I wanted to know your location because then it's easier to see what you might have seen at the time...sure I wanted to "bust" you, but I am also very fascinated by the subject, and I think every first hand account is important for everyone's understanding.

If I had seen a jet, clearly, I'd come out swinging and clobber folks with that out of the gate...this is my first encounter with you, far as I know, and unlike the others, you did indeed segue to the eye-witness pretty quickly.

I think you saw a missile, but I don't know jack and I wasn't there.

Tell us what you saw, please.

reply to post by tangonine


so then that means you didn't see it and your statement "i was there" means nothing when trying to debunk 9/11 truthers....

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by tangonine

 

We might hate each other, but that was some funny sht.

Aww man....you killed my buzz. I don't hate you...and I'm pretty sure you don't hate me.

I have run into several people who have claimed they saw or know someone who saw the jet, and in each case they can't offer anything other than the claim.

It is my personal opinion JASSM missiles were used, and I believe that if I saw or heard a 500 MPH JASSM out of the corner of my eyes, and then heard about jets hitting the towers, and then watched it on TV, I'd probably be convinced I saw a jet too.

I wanted to know your location because then it's easier to see what you might have seen at the time...sure I wanted to "bust" you, but I am also very fascinated by the subject, and I think every first hand account is important for everyone's understanding.

If I had seen a jet, clearly, I'd come out swinging and clobber folks with that out of the gate...this is my first encounter with you, far as I know, and unlike the others, you did indeed segue to the eye-witness pretty quickly.

I think you saw a missile, but I don't know jack and I wasn't there.

Tell us what you saw, please.

edit on 17-8-2011 by Yankee451 because: (no reason given)

he didn't see anything yankee...

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by tangonine

 

We might hate each other, but that was some funny sht.

Aww man....you killed my buzz. I don't hate you...and I'm pretty sure you don't hate me.

I have run into several people who have claimed they saw or know someone who saw the jet, and in each case they can't offer anything other than the claim.

It is my personal opinion JASSM missiles were used, and I believe that if I saw or heard a 500 MPH JASSM out of the corner of my eyes, and then heard about jets hitting the towers, and then watched it on TV, I'd probably be convinced I saw a jet too.

I wanted to know your location because then it's easier to see what you might have seen at the time...sure I wanted to "bust" you, but I am also very fascinated by the subject, and I think every first hand account is important for everyone's understanding.

If I had seen a jet, clearly, I'd come out swinging and clobber folks with that out of the gate...this is my first encounter with you, far as I know, and unlike the others, you did indeed segue to the eye-witness pretty quickly.

I think you saw a missile, but I don't know jack and I wasn't there.

Tell us what you saw, please.

edit on 17-8-2011 by Yankee451 because: (no reason given)

Naw I don't hate you. I don't have time for that.

I saw... well, it's going to sound canned and predictable, but I saw fear. I saw hundreds of very scared people. Fear is contagious. I'm sure you've heard that but until you've seen it... it spreads like wildfire. 1 in 100 would stand steady. Literally. A guy outside my daugther's apt, he was wearing jeans and a purple underarmour t-shirt, stood there and looked to help people while hundreds ran by him. This I will never forget.

Oh. And he was of arab descent.

reply to post by patternfinder


I'd like to hear what he has to say...I think the power of suggestion from the television is so strong, some people actually believe it, and I can't say I wouldn't if I was in their shoes.

I've studied the vids, and know enough about digital photography to know it was all a movie, but most folks haven't been cursed with my obsession, and they still trust the TV...my whole damn family! But I'm not bitter.

I think this was another reason to use missiles...to give folks something to see. We ARE talking bullet-fast though, right? Who could see anything but a blur?