I am very disturbed because of something I saw on a Movie....

Originally posted by Johnny76
On virgin media catchup service we have to enter a pin number to watch Gavin and Stacey episodes and yet the kids can freely watch Family Guy, Two Pints, Coming of Age and other strong adult themed material. Pointless!

absurd isn't it.

I went to the video store to get a new release and the majority of new releases were all violent. Needless to say, I didn't rent any of them.

What is going on?

The movie where Nicole Kidman was having an affair of some sort with a kid that claimed to be her dead ex husband reincarnated was disgusting. I used to think she was a good actress...not any more.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

Sorry, but it appears to me that you do. Then again, I don't usually respond well to people who use children as props for their own insecurities. "Think of the children!" is a rallying cry that makes me want to whap people upside the head,m so maybe I'm just having something of a biased reaction to your, uh, concern.

I am glad you got your rant off your chest!

I guess all of the Child Welfare Protection Authorities are insecure too? based on your opinion....
so people who have concerns for children merely use them as props for their own cause??

reply to post by wcitizen


Sexual abuse of children has been around a lot longer than the motion picture. So has rape, abortion, prostitution, addiction, alcoholism, beatings, assaults, prejudice, murder, suicide, infanticide, matricide, patricide, genocide, torture, dismemberment, beheading, and war.

I don't think you can say there is some satanic possession of the human race, but that the human race has done this to itself. The expression of it in the mass media is only a natural outcome to the path we have taken. It need not be this way, but it is and therefore it is. I don't like horror movies or extreme violence, I don't like violent video games or prejudice towards people. There is no way to eliminate the original sin, if you will, but I don't think that means we need to propagandize it.

On the other hand, the movie did not present these themes in a positive light, did they? My evangelical uncle thinks Shrek will turn little girls into lesbians and that it promotes S&M. I don't really know about all that. I agree that some movies go over the top, but I have to assume that in many cases the when the camera cuts away, the child actor is not actually present for the adult themes/language. I somehow do not think the little girl in Kill Bill II was there to watch (or hear) Vivica Fox and Uma Thurman swear, beat and (fake) bloody each other up. I assume she was put into the scene after the fact, out of context, where there was nothing to get a complex over.

Society has become so overprotective of children these days. I agree with earlier statements that children know the difference between reality and fantasy/fiction. When I was a kid, we were at the drive in almost every weekend. I saw all of the 70's and 80's horror movies there. They were my favorite. I remember watching Carrie on TV when I was 4. We got to stay up late for that one, and soon as it was over, it was bed time. That was a little scary, but I survived. So far, I haven't bought a hockey mask or a machete or anything, and when I was younger, I was the type of person that felt bad if I stepped on a bug.

The fairy tales and stories people read to their children are no better. There are battles and killings and grandma's being eaten by wolves and children being kicked aside by mean step-parents only to find their way into some witches house where they are prepped to be eaten. And those are the watered down versions!

As for child actors, they do have rules and guidelines that have to be followed concerning content. When Jodi Foster played a hooker in Taxi Driver, she was about 14. There was a scene where she was taken to a hotel room (nothing happened) and things were very suggestive in that scene. In an interview, she told the story about how she wasn't allowed to do that scene because of her age, so her sister did that scene and it was shot where you really only see the back of her head, so there may be editing tricks they play on you from time to time.

Please don't cause the movies to get any worse than they already have.

I think it's far more disturbing to see little babies or toddlers in the arms of a "parent" while they act out a domestic argument. That always upsets me, especially when the baby starts screaming in distress. More often to be seen in soaps than movies. I'm sure that fright ( no matter how short the take is,) can have an effect on their progress.

It's disturbing that Ashton Kutcher has more money in his bank account than I do.

reply to post by notquiteright


I agree, I remember watching Carrie too! When my dad got our first video player (Betamax... lol), he rented movies he wanted to watch, and we just watched them, not thinking about ratings... the first video we ever watched on it was "The Deerhunter"... I was 5... times were different back then.

Come to think of it, i still remember heaps of scenes from that movie very vividly... maybe I was a bit traumatised and he should have had some discretion... lol

... but i turned out fine. ;-j

I'm going to step way out on a limb here and say that childeren can handle much more than adults.

Yea, Hollywood destroys lives. Whoopty $h*t.

Children accepting the way of the world? The sooner the better. I'm not a proponent of child abuse, but honestly what is abuse? I had my a$$ beat off for various justified reasons. I was exposed to the idea of sex at an early age, but not by the fault of my parents.

Movies are just that, movies. These children are "actors". They get paid, better than most people on this website, for their roles in these films. My question is why do we have child actors when child labor laws prevent you from working before age 16?

Nothing matters about exposing children to the savagry of the world.

Honestly, I'm tired of saving the children.

I say to hell with the children. Eff the children, and Eff the parents who have the children.

People should have to endure fines for child endangerment just for having children.

The world is phuxxed, your kids are phuxxed, You are phuxxed, Who honestly gives a damn?

The sooner you teach your kids that they are screwed because everybody screwed up, the better off your kids will be and the less they will resent you for telling them that the world is great.

On top of that, they might actually enjoy a fictional movie without being worried about Eric Stoltz making a kiddy porn film about them.

Reality needs to be presented. Kids should be proud to take on a role that throws this subject into the open. And their parents should be supportive.

Originally posted by grahag
This post is part of what I hate about society as a whole.

Does no one describe the difference between real and make-believe any more? I don't ever recall the moment i learned between the two, but I definitely have a distinction, which I don't think people are getting taught or it being ingrained into life's lessons.

Movies are make believe and even most children know the difference. Why don't you?

When children are in movies with adult content, it's because they are ACTING. There's nothing I see in movies that is worse than anything I might see on the news at 6 or 10pm.

In any case, sheltering children from the rest of the world is just going to make this world that much more harsh when they finally get out into it.

Ok...

Then let's try an experiment.

You take your 8 year old little girl into the bedroom with her father and then tell her that she and daddy are going to act out a scene where he pretends to rape her. And you film it while directing the scene. And then go ahead and show the film to your family after Thanksgiving meal. Be sure your grandmother, your mother, and YOUR father have a front row seat.

Let me know how that goes....

oh that is so not even the same thing and you know it. were we born yesterday or something?!? most of the child actors have had acting classes, etc.... we are talking about ACTORS. and they arent merely being "videotaped" "acting out" explicit scenes with their fathers in the family home in mom and dads bedroom behind locked doors and all that... come ON, now... be for real. kids acting in a movie (again, with editing, etc.) and kids being videotaped acting out a mock sex scene with their parent is SO far removed from eachother it's unreal. you're grasping

Originally posted by fooks
it's the movies, camera angles, edits, voice overs, cgi,


body doubles!


if the op was upset then the film makers got their point across.

if that was the point of the film.

i never saw it.

It wasn't the overall point of the movie but you're absolutely right. The intention was to "disturb" the viewer, and it was very well done. Its pretty obvious to me, while watching the Butterfly Effect (one of my all time favorite movies!), how easily they could have filmed the scene without exposing the children to these things.

As far as the smoking..... I started smoking when I was 12 years old - still smoke a pack a day - Neither of my kids smoke.... what does that tell you?

Originally posted by Bobaganoosh
The sooner you teach your kids that they are screwed because everybody screwed up, the better off your kids will be and the less they will resent you for telling them that the world is great.

On top of that, they might actually enjoy a fictional movie without being worried about Eric Stoltz making a kiddy porn film about them.

Reality needs to be presented. Kids should be proud to take on a role that throws this subject into the open. And their parents should be supportive.

I didn't agree with all of your post, but I definitely agree with this. Sheltering kids is NOT a good thing. Real life rarely has a "happy ending".

In my opinion, the most traumatic thing I ever found out as a child, was that fairy tales were lies...

I've been telling my kids all their lives, that life is unfair, and they should get used to it. This being the reason they're so firmly planted in REALITY.

And props for mentioning Eric Stoltz - I love that he was even willing to take on that role.

Originally posted by wigit
I think it's far more disturbing to see little babies or toddlers in the arms of a "parent" while they act out a domestic argument. That always upsets me, especially when the baby starts screaming in distress. More often to be seen in soaps than movies. I'm sure that fright ( no matter how short the take is,) can have an effect on their progress.

Someone should make a thread on this point. I wholeheartedly agree that the way parents behave towards each other is detrimental to a childs mental health. If you find yourself screaming at your partner, you should probably reconsider why you're in that relationship in the first place....

I don't think we should hide our problems from children - but I do think we as a species do not handle our problems very well in a lot of cases. If you must scream, do it away from the child. Don't pass on your bad habits.

♥♥ also, Boncho, Highpriestess, and TheWalkingFox all made excellent points that didn't require quoting ♥♥

A lot of things disturbes me in this post

Originally posted by Thurisaz
Now if a person at home set up a camera and said, "right kids, we are making a movie so take off your clothes or play a game" THAT IS AGAINST THE LAW!!! and yet here we see MOVIE Producers do the same thing and we don't see a problem with it???

First of all, it is NOT against the law to make a movie, it is against the law to sexual abuse children, do you see the difference??
ALL children in the age 10-12 years, have seen violence and nudity before, that doesnt make them future monsters! All it takes is just some parenting from the parents. Just tell your kids, that when people fight, it hurts like hell, so lets not do that. And nudity? Well, thats just the way we where born, the human body is beautiful, and sex is a beautiful thing between two adults, there is NOTHING wrong there! Just takes some parenting...
What makes them future monsters on the other hand, is parents, who DONT teach their children these things, who shields them from the real world, and leave them uneducated and confused, to their adult lifes, because of censorship and the fact that everything they see, is everything they always has been told is wrong, that can be hard to deal with...

I know you meen this in a good way, but it is just wrong! You have to ask yourself these questions:
Did YOU became a psychopath, rapist or murder, by watching this movie??
Would YOU have been a seriel killer by know, if you had been an child-actor in this movie??
Would YOUR life have been a complete #ed up life, if you have watched this movie as a kid??
If NOT, then stop acting like a GOD, and think your the only one in the world who can withstand the pressure from these terrible evil movies, and therefor needs to censor everything, for EVERYONE else, and just start taking some responsibility for you OWN kids upbringing...

PS
Sorry for my english, iam not a native english speaker

we should get a movement started so that the government regulates what can and can not be done in movies! this is the only way that we will be able to clean up hollywood and shield our children from this filth that is rampant in our entertainment!!!!

i hope that most people understand that the people who play these younger roles are actually older than the age they are portraying....most of the time.

here's a novel idea, if you don't agree with a theme or element of a movie, don't watch it. i'm not a big fan of sewing people together mouth-to-a$$hole, but i liked Human Centipede for what it was...a horror/psychological torture movie.

reply to post by iNkGeEk


ewwwww is that what that movie is about?
::: crosses human centipede off her list :::

I don't want to see that, so I won't watch it
::: see what I did there, I excersized free will to avoid something I think is gross :::

Going to have to agree with the people that are saying that child actors don't see or hear anything. They have minders and people on set to make sure that they DON'T see or hear anything. I read an interview with the girl from Californication (heavy sexual themes).. and she had never seen one damn thing. She came in, said her lines, left. They have this amazing thing called technology.. that allows them to fake a whole lot of stuff.. and the kid actors never see it or hear it. Now if they do after the movie is filmed, it is because their parents have allowed them to watch it, and that is the parents fault. I think this is a massive over reaction. Yes.. some of those themes are hard to take, but guess what, part of movies is taking things that are hard to watch and know about in real life, and shining a light on them. Social commentary, a nod at the world that most people don't want to know about. Hoping to open some awareness that this doesn't just happen in a movie. Hell the news is just as or more violent than movies nowdays. Be aware and teach your children properly. I have a 10 yo, she is insanely trusting of everyone, and no matter what I tell her, has a hard time believing that adults hurt children. I have had to show her articles For Her Own Safety! Thats an aspect that we have to think about... if some of these themes are not told to children, and the children are not educated, then they run the risk of being hurt by a predator. This is the world we live in, deal with it.

Why weren't they arrested????

Because it is not illegal to say you "would put your baby on a diet".

It's a movie. It's fake. Get a grip.

reply to post by iNkGeEk


The Human Centipede is one messed up movie! Thoroughly entertaing on a sick and twisted level, totally abhorant on another. The makers got deaththreats for making it... lol... and I think they're making Phase 2 the second movie... I really want to know what happend to the main character!

wow its sooooo sad to see how this disturbs so many people. Like really they are actors, and there parents are writing consent forms for them to take place in these movies. Secondly if your so offended by it then don't watch it, like honestly these young people are getting big career breaks, making lots of money doing what they like, and all you can think about is how unfortunate it is for them to see smoking, alcohol, murder, all being fake in these movies, if they can't distinguish between reality and fake movies, then it should be the parents to blame for keeping their kids so damn sheltered that they think ooo wow this is on tv so it has to be real, children only become idiots due to poor parenting.

reply to post by nunya13


Right on. It's all about the almighty dollar, and they don't care how they get it, and in these cases, at the expense of their own children.

Ah, gimme a break. Its a movie. And the Nicole Kidman wasn't that creepy either.