I am very disturbed because of something I saw on a Movie...., page 3

reply to post by Thurisaz

Filming a child naked acting out role play with implied sexual connotations is against the law... how did the producers get away with that?

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I will try and be civil. Repeating myself.... Just because something looks like it happens on TV, does not mean it was acted out that way when it was filmed.

But you do raise a good point actually, because someone was charged because he shot an adult themed song with kids in the end cut. Although they were never there when he was singing.* Come to think of it, it was a YouTube person and I doubt they had licenses or permits...

There have been movies from France I remember that did not pass the censors. I still am not sure of what scene you are talking about so I can't really comment.

reply to post by Thurisaz

...issue is children acting out adult themes AND acting out illegal activities...

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You mean the appearance of...

Video editing, camera tricks and special effects are what is generally used in scenes that may shock you. For instance, a child taking their clothes off probably never actually happened in reality. Put the child in a swimming costume, and get them to remove a shirt, edited in such a way that you never see the swimming costume, and it's very easy to create a believable scene.

Another example is children smoking... if i get a video of you with a white tube that you pretend to smoke on, I can use After Effects or a similar application to make it look like you were actually smoking a cigarette, without ever having a flame or even smoke in the environment at all. All very easy to do.

As to them acting out these scenes, I remember the chocolate cigarettes “Fags” from when I was young...
janebovary.hubpages.com...
...and we used to always "play act" that we were smoking. It’s acting and make believe in the end, and better that they learn these concepts through acting, and develop good attitudes towards them, rather than them being overly protected and eventually have to experience horrible situations completely naïve.

We are way to politically correct these days!

reply to post by TheWalkingFox

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you have implied that I am fragile, have a problem with nudity etc.

I am not fragile. I do not have a problem with nudity. I don't live in a bubble, nor do I place bubble wrap around my kids. ty

I do have a problem with films that involve children acting out adult or illegal themes. Society watches them...everyone earns lots of money and it is a great movie or story, people learn things or it was scarey, informative etc. It upset me to see that scene and it occurred to me that this film and many others are rated so that minors are not allowed to watch them...the huge contradiction is that children are acting in them.


I think Boncho mentioned this earlier in the thread, that some people had a issue with not knowing what was real or not real... I am sorry, but it is too simulated for my liking. What do paedophiles do? They get kids to do exactly what the producers re enacted in the film. How did they get away with it?

reply to post by Thurisaz

it occurred to me that this film and many others are rated so that minors are not allowed to watch them...the huge contradiction is that children are acting in them.

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No, because we explained before, with camera angles, tricks and audio editing the Child does not even have to be present with other people to act out the scene. So they are not being exposed to anything. Try acting sometime, it doesn't look like a movie screen when you are trying to remember your lines...

I am sorry, but it is too simulated for my liking.

It was part of the storyline. Without it, it wouldn't have cut out a huge part of the story. Because it is unsettling it should not be covered in the media?

to do exactly what the producers re enacted in the film.

Dear god, you are right off your rocker. I don't remember the scene entirely but I can assure you there was no re-enacting by the producers.

Go take a film production class...

reply to post by Thurisaz

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Often the child actors aren't allowed to watch the films that are rated over their age, I once saw an interview with Drew Barrymore, where she said that once she turned 18, she actually went back and watched all the movies that she had acted in, but wasn't allowed to watch when she was younger.

They often get to watch the scenes they may have been in, but not the whole movies. It’s really up to the discretion of the parents. Besides, these days movies are overrated anyway, lots of movies from the past, that used to be PG, have been re-rated these days at M or above, which I think is silly.

When they remastered E.T., they used editing to replace most of the guns the cops had with flashlights and baseball bats, just so they could keep it at a PG rating… ridiculous!

reply to post by boncho

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ty for explaining some of the film making process.

When I and many other people I know sit down and watch a movie or tv, those things you don't think about. You watch it.

Movie producers go to great lengths to be convincing...and technology as it is now, it can be difficult to ascertain what is real and what is not. And yes... I worried about the children acting in the movie... especially when they acted out that particular role.

reply to post by boncho

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Do not insult me.

You have knowledge of movie production... There is no need to insult me because I don't.

reply to post by Thurisaz

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Then the movie, and the producers were successful... movies are all about invoking emotions through clever editing… the more shocking you can make something, without having to actually do it, the better… from a movie makers perspective anyway!

Rest assured that there are many checks in place for the welfare of child actors. You sound like a caring person, which is why shocking scens affect you so much.

;-j

Originally posted by Thurisaz
reply to post by TheWalkingFox

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you have implied that I am fragile, have a problem with nudity etc.

I am not fragile. I do not have a problem with nudity. I don't live in a bubble, nor do I place bubble wrap around my kids. ty

Sorry, but it appears to me that you do. Then again, I don't usually respond well to people who use children as props for their own insecurities. "Think of the children!" is a rallying cry that makes me want to whap people upside the head,m so maybe I'm just having something of a biased reaction to your, uh, concern.

If you're curious why, it's because every time someone argues "for the children" what they're really doing is pretending people should take their opinion as rule, and are using the silent and non-present "children" as a guilt lever to try to force others into agreeing with their opinion.

I do have a problem with films that involve children acting out adult or illegal themes. Society watches them...everyone earns lots of money and it is a great movie or story, people learn things or it was scarey, informative etc.

So... don't watch them. It's very simple, really. There's a veritable plethora of movies that don't at all involve these themes. In fact, the non-threatening, no-issue film has been dominating box offices since '98. I just learned that there's a Smurfs movie. Smurfs for crying out loud... and that it's breaking even with "Cowboys and Aliens." Might I suggest you indulge in modern cenema, and feel safe and secure that you will never be exposed to anything controversial, threatening, or thought-provoking ever again?

It upset me to see that scene and it occurred to me that this film and many others are rated so that minors are not allowed to watch them...the huge contradiction is that children are acting in them.

Film ratings are inherently ludicrous, because they make the assumption that 13 and 18 are "magic numbers" whereby a person graduates to some extra level of maturity. I was watching Conan have his way with bare-breasted wenches and lopping off heads in a froth of blood when I was seven, and I honestly can say I did not find it a damaging experience (except that even then, I could tell that the acting in the second movie was just terrible)

I think Boncho mentioned this earlier in the thread, that some people had a issue with not knowing what was real or not real... I am sorry, but it is too simulated for my liking.

It's not real. If you can't tell reality from fantasy, well, I'd help but you'd have to be able to afford my fee

Otherwise my solution is, don't watch movies that make you uncomfortable. They're all fantasy (even a lot of the ones that say they aren't)

What do paedophiles do? They get kids to do exactly what the producers re enacted in the film. How did they get away with it?

Because pedophiles tend to not stop at filming, and they sort of, you know, don't have literally thousands of people involved in oversight to ensure the safety of the child during the scene. On the other hand, you know damn well Dakota Fanning had people all over the damn place to make sure everything was okay, and that at no moment did she actually get hurt.

reply to post by puzzlesphere

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thank you for posting that info. It is reassuring to know that.

Here is an example of a single person being a scene with themselves. Easily done on a computer today....

reply to post by Thurisaz

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the things you are referring to happen in real life.. how do you expect to make a believable movie without using concepts that happen in real life?!?

in the movie the butterfly effect - wasnt the whole idea about the fact that one of his childhood friends eventually commits suicide as an adult and it turns out that her father was a pervy guy that liked to take pictures of her and the main character as children (the scene you are referring to is his flashback of the incident) - that was the root of her decision to commit suicide?!?

i mean, you are throwing one scene out there with no explanation to the significance of the scene itself.

no, i dont think there was anything about that scene that was illegal. no kids were photographed naked or molested in the making of the movie. i am sure the parents of the child actor explained the scene to them, and i bet those kids would probably be the FIRST ones who would run and tell someone if an adult were trying to take pictures of them nude, simply because the KNOW how wrong it is... seeing how they did a movie about it and all.

Either way, they are not YOUR kids, man. So what are you suggesting? that we need yet ANOTHER three letter abbreviated regulatory governmental entity to specifically police parents of actors, paid for by our tax dollars? Seriously, and with all due respect, get a GRIP, dude. In the broad spectrum of things wrong with this world, and the atrocities towards children in this world... *this* is the hill that you think is worth dying for?

If the movie bothers you so much, don't watch it. raise your kids how you choose to raise them. but seriously think about climbing down off the cross and let others live their lives and raise their kids their own way. i don't see where anyone is REALLY getting injured here.

do you also think that heavy metal music makes kids commit suicide or worship the devil? Or that SAW movies give serial killers ideas?

trust me man, if someone can think it up, someone else has probably already done it. the real world is much more twisted than anything you'll see in a movie.

reply to post by highpriestess

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No, 'cause that goes to a christian charity that promises to maybe perhaps deliver a few cents on the dollar to a church in the stricken region, if overhead costs allow. Purely moral and upstanding work, you know.

*cough*

reply to post by Thurisaz

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I apologize, not meaning to insult you. I presumed editing tricks were common knowledge.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by highpriestess

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No, 'cause that goes to a christian charity that promises to maybe perhaps deliver a few cents on the dollar to a church in the stricken region, if overhead costs allow. Purely moral and upstanding work, you know.

*cough*

yup.

i think anyone who has teenaged sons can tell you that the Victoria's Secret catalog that comes in the mail probably "gets more action" in this country (US) than real porn. Having said that, just because you slap a cross and a noble cause on an infomercial with half naked kids, doesn't mean that there's not some freak out there with a swollen belly, fly swatting fetish. just sayin...

reply to post by highpriestess

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I wish I could argue.

But I have explored the depths of Rule 34.

I haven't slept in three years.

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