Rape Factories (Prisons in US)

Your ignorance is absolutely disgusting. God forbid you aren't put in jail for driving your car into a kid on a bicycle because you were texting. Or if you were drunk in public, or you couldn't pay your debts or child support. Or if you got caught with pot.

The people who get raped are not "vile" or "bad guys" as you say. The people being raped are non-vioent criminals, first time offenders, juvenile offenders placed with adults.

There was a kid who was put in jail with adults because he set a trash can on fire. He was raped by multiple men multiple times and he ended up committing suicide because the guards didn't care to stop it. One of the guards even joked that "he probably likes it" when another guard who was new, and who actually cared tried to get the problem dealt with.

The "vile" and "bad guys" are the ones who are doing the raping.

There is another man who was put in jail for protesting in Washington D.C. on private property, he was raped by multiple men and contracted AIDS from those rapes.

Your ignorance ... disgusting.

I am ignorant because I say prison is where they put all the bad people?
I never said that bad people were getting raped, I was insinuating that most people aren't going to look at inmates and say "Poor guy" and I can guarantee you that there aren't a lot of people that will feel bad for an inmate who got raped for the sole reason that they are an inmate.
People assume that if you're in prison/jail you're done something wrong because that's what it was made for, to house wrong doers.
So far today I've been called a racist and ignorant, and both for the wrong reasons. Oh well!

Edit: I can see where you got me saying bad people were getting raped, from. I should have said:

No one feels bad for the "bad guy"

reply to post by Drezden

There was a kid who was put in jail with adults because he set a trash can on fire. He was raped by multiple men multiple times and he ended up committing suicide because the guards didn't care to stop it. One of the guards even joked that "he probably likes it" when another guard who was new, and who actually cared tried to get the problem dealt with.

If I was his mother he wouldnt have gone or the judge would have had investigators on him till he was jailed, and I would break advocate doing jail breaks and totally absolutely turning on the system that would do this, massive bullhorn campaigns and stalkig their homes and families with nonstop righteousness/protests. People have to not take this ever.

reply to post by jonibelle


Yes, kind of. Most people in prison shouldn't be there, and are there for reasons that are fascist state, taking away peoples unalieable rights by force. Only psychotic repeat violent criminals should be, and most even murders could be getting counseling and bracelets, in house arrest with outings supervised, etc, and it would be far cheaper.

reply to post by jonibelle


You still have no clue what your talking about... hence your ignorance...

Who determines when somebody a bad guy? You?

Like it was said... Alot of non-violent offenders get thrown in with the violent offenders, and those are the ones who are doing the abuse... The people who have nothing to lose... Not the guy who got caught with a few joints, or the guy who skimmed pennies from their corporate job

since many LEOs come from this environment its no wonder..

and then we have to put up with the alegations that the muslims treat their womwen bad so we must bomb the women....
and gahdaffi has viagra induced rape brigades...

meh!

Sexual Abuse By Military Recruiters

www.cbsnews.com...

Sexual assault in military 'jaw-dropping,' lawmaker says
MILITARY SERVICE

July 31, 2008

Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach said she was raped by a fellow Marine. A Marine has been charged in her death.A congresswoman said Thursday that her "jaw dropped" when military doctors told her that four in 10 women at a veterans hospital reported being sexually assaulted while in the military.

articles.cnn.com...:US

According to NPR, “In 2003, a survey of female veterans found that 30 percent said they were raped in the military. A 2004 study of veterans who were seeking help for post-traumatic stress disorder found that 71 percent of the women said they were sexually assaulted or raped while serving. And a 1995 study of female veterans of the Gulf and earlier wars, found that 90 percent had been sexually harassed.”...

...Another study concluded that 90% of all women serving are sexually harassed. Another one estimates that 90% of all the rapes do not get reported, despite supposedly easier ways to report the crime with confidentiality since 2005. Either way, this appears to be an epidemic that needs to be dealt with.

newsjunkiepost.com...

lol only in the u.s i have afew buddys in jail and that stuff just go's on in the u.s try that stuff in a non u.s jail youed get your balls cut off

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
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Contrary to popular belief, most of the perpetrators were not other prisoners but staff members—corrections officials whose job it is to keep inmates safe.

IMHO... that is the one thing that should be debated before we even get into the prisoner on prisoner abuse. To think that corrections officers are doing most of the raping is far more disturbing for me.

How true is that statement?

Originally posted by jonibelle


I am ignorant because I say prison is where they put all the bad people?
I never said that bad people were getting raped, I was insinuating that most people aren't going to look at inmates and say "Poor guy" and I can guarantee you that there aren't a lot of people that will feel bad for an inmate who got raped for the sole reason that they are an inmate.
People assume that if you're in prison/jail you're done something wrong because that's what it was made for, to house wrong doers.
So far today I've been called a racist and ignorant, and both for the wrong reasons. Oh well!

Edit: I can see where you got me saying bad people were getting raped, from. I should have said:

No one feels bad for the "bad guy"

edit on 29-6-2011 by jonibelle because: (no reason given)

I apologize if I misunderstood your post. At this point I am so worked up I cannot read or process the context accurately because this issue is semi-personal for me.

Originally posted by masqua

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Check out this article

Contrary to popular belief, most of the perpetrators were not other prisoners but staff members—corrections officials whose job it is to keep inmates safe.

IMHO... that is the one thing that should be debated before we even get into the prisoner on prisoner abuse. To think that corrections officers are doing most of the raping is far more disturbing for me.

How true is that statement?

edit on 29/6/11 by masqua because: BB Code

I believe that we don't have accurate statistics on prison rape because the majority go unreported.. especially guard on prisoner rape..

For those that can stomach this documentary.. it's very informative, and it does go into prison guard on prisoner rape..

reply to post by morder1


Definately not me, I never said I did.
What I was getting to though is that prisons are meant to keep wrong doers out of society so most assume that if you're in prison you've done something wrong or "bad", as I've said.
I have no idea what I'm talking about because I'm sharing the views of others, and why they wouldn't feel bad?
Just because the topic is sympathizing about the victims doesn't mean I can't contribute by explaining the opposite.

My input at the moment stemms from Drezden's reply to my joke, and why no one takes prison rape seriously. And if you disagree with my reasons why, then you are the ignorant one.


@ Drezden, no hard feelings. I sometimes get ahead of my thoughts when I type, and fail to explain myself correctly.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


What do you get when you imprison repeat offenders that live a life of constant darkness? They live a darkness that perpetually hurts other's for personal gain or vengeance. What you have is an enclosure of people who live under the impulse of the lowest common denomenator. Rape is a perk in the hole that is their lives. This is no different in any other country, Canada included. This will never change because most of the people in jail will never change.

Unless the government endowed the system with unlimited resources to effect true change in these people's lives, rape will be the cherry on the cake for them in their recycling jail terms. I worked in a prison for almost 4 years and the psychology behind rape in this environment is not just the act itself but rather the life condition and the lack of escaping or finding a way out of their lives. Most lack resources, and mainstream intelligence, many also lack the desire to work hard or go the straight and narrow path which ultimately has little rewards.

This goes far beyond an act of rape but rather one must look at every factor leading to repeat offending and jail terms. For most it is a lifestyle. There is a code and a pyramid of power within each jail. This is a lifestyle and most repeat offenders are comfortable within it's power grid. It is a code within a code of power, sexual frustration and payback.

Drugs play a huge role in the lifestyle of repeat offenders, which for many is virtually impossible to escape.

This real issue isn't rape. It is every factor that leads to rape being the norm at a jail . This is a question for society and how society is set up. It is the lifestyle that foster's a world where rape is a part of the sentence. It is truly complex because you have to look at what creates such a problem. You cannot separate the perpetrators, where they came from and what factors lead to the criminal lives they lead and the very acts they perpetrate.

Rape is just a symptom of a much larger problem. What we need to be examining is what it is a symptom of. But if society did that it would mean that society would have to change in nearly every way. We would have to eliminate the extremes of wealth and poverty. Give every one opportunity for advancement. There will always be a criminal element within humanity even if they are given opportunities. I suppose the ideal would be to live in a society where those people are spotted and dealt with. I do believe that many repeat offenders in jail would have chosen a different path if they would have had different opportunities or resources.

I speak of serious repeat offenders.

Excluding socio-pyschopaths ofcourse.

Prisoners raping prisoners would be a common thing in US prisons I guess, but to think prison guards doing this stuff and also most likely having wives and children on the outside really makes me sick. They should be locked up with mainstream prisoners to see what it feels like themselves. The only problem is, they wouldn't just get raped.

reply to post by masqua


How true is this statement according to who?

Official released reports? Victims? Who would you like to hear the truth from?

That would be the question...would a investigation by the Bureau of Prisons and their findings be sufficient enough?

It seems like a rather ambiguous question to me.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Reply to post by iSwag

 

Whether or not you end up in jail or prison is not entirely within your control.

Keep that in mind.

 

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That is a FALSE statement. Either you have been mislead, or you are dishonest.

Reply to post by FrenchOsage

Really?

There is not one innocent man in prison?

Every exoneration is just a fluke correcting itself and we can all rest assured that there are no others wrongfully serving time? Well, at least until the next exoneration shakes our faith in this glorious and infallible system.

That's what you're saying?


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reply to post by FrenchOsage


Why is that statement false? some people do get put away and they are innocent, some get put away and they are guilty, you have no control when it comes down to the crunch and your freedom is decided by a sterile prick with a toy mallet in his left hand and your lawyer chugging on his 3rd leg.

reply to post by Egyptia


It depends if they're repeat serious offenders. I would't put anyone behind bars that wasn't extremely dangerous, not even most murders. House arrest, electronic survelliance/bracelets, not implants, and counseling with the goal of helping, truly improve this periods functioning should be the norm,and many laws, reconsidered altogether, for there is common law and corporate law, only common law is real, the other is fascism.

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I think that the unspoken truth is that the threat of getting raped behind bars is part of the deterrence that is built into the system now. That is, the system doesn't want this to change because they want people fearful of getting put behind bars.

I, thankfully, have never been arrested or jailed. But thinking about a possible future where I might get nabbed (wrongly or rightly let's say) for some reason and thrown in a jail for a week or two while things got sorted out...does not hold much in the way of fear factor, if it only involved some boring and frustrating days in a cell.

But, the idea that after arrest I would be caged with a bunch of animals who would take pleasure in physically and sexually abusing me (including the key holders ??)...now that scares the criminal tendencies right out of me.

I think that it is absolutely evil, quite frankly, that jail systems are run in a manner that allows this kind of abuse...that mixes "casual" offenders with hard core criminals...that provides the kind of access to victims, and opportunities, that this must take...that accepts that this is just part of the system - and that actually exploits it to try to scare people straight.

Every square inch of jails and prisons ought to be under 24/7 CCTV surveillance...these cameras should be monitored off-site, with technology that triggers when "extreme motion" is detected, or other types of suspicious noise or activity. That way, local bands of wacko guards will not be able to turn blind eyes to either inmate on inmate crimes - or guard on inmate crimes.

Huge problem to be sure....not an easy one to solve (not that it can ever be totally eradicated)...but until the system itself wants to stomp this out, it's not going to happen.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

No wonder why the neocon government in Canada wants to invest undisclosed amounts of funding into building new supermax prisons for "unreported crimes"

Great thread...but what exactly are unreported crimes?

How can there be offenders of unreported crimes? I do not get it!! Is it a typo?