Originally posted by randyvs

Originally posted by chocise
I believe 'god's' existence has already been confirmed by science, or.... we are very close.

Hate quoting Einstein, as he's often so readily misquoted, but when asked, he did specifically say it was a question of definition, and I understand that completely: if one's notion is of an anthropomorphised, white haired, beared all-seeing gent behind a set of pearly gates is 'god', I'd have to disagree vehemently.

We have, today, seen some breaking news of bubble universes, no sign of a Higgs-Boson, and multiple 'Big Bangs'.

It's out there, for sure, we just can't grasp the reality, yet.

edit on 3-8-2011 by chocise because: grammer

You can't say that cause you don't have any proof. No? just trying it on.

Wait what? Are you trying to steal my job here?

Have any of you ever asked your selves if faith is a personal choice?

Can we choose what we have faith in,
or is faith based on our feelings/awareness?

For me faith is more or less based on how i perceive information/knowledge. Therefor faith becomes a reaction to what i am aware off.

Faith is not a choice, faith is a reaction based on how you perceive information, knowledge and what you observe.

No mather how much any of you try to believe in God, If you cant feel a connection with God you will never be able to have true faith in God.

Some might be determined to learn or wanting to know God. But that is not faith that is searching for faith "the right feeling/connection".

Randy I love this: Thank you!!


randyvs wrote:

Isn't the fact that life is such a massively bitchen thing that one must consider the intelligence involved in consciousness.

Just be speculative and add to it, speak to it in whatever way? You people ( not sure my self what I mean by that ) never seem to leave the ready made, cyborg persona the world greeted you with from the beginning. Man can not simply be just a fleshy machine, when science it self is on tthe verge of proving that consciousness can fall through matter. The soul is the consciousness and I believe certain knowledge can obscure that fact to the point where one can become lost. I'm simply waiting for science to come full circle.as
I know it will.



Randy, I still have not figured out how to do the "quote thing" right---

But---in response to your words-----

I was here reading all these other threads, and I find you over here --

I just want to say that your posts are wonderful!

You are on the right track---It is all about Consciousness---and we miss it so easily because it "is us" It is our Divine Identity, and its right here all the time, ever present with us/as us---sort of like fish in water, they don't even realize its there, it is so close its just not seen. We are Awareness, and this Awareness is God's Awareness (we do not own it, nor is it really inside the brain or body) We are greater than our bodies; our Real Self is part of the Eternal Unseen Light of Godhead. I do believe you are right, the scientist will soon find out he is looking at God--- The scientist might do well to look at the awareness that he is 'looking with'--- You cannot get away from awareness--- and This awareness belongs to God--- it is not coming from inside our head, our head is inside of It. God is really All That Is---that is why we do not notice this Living Presence that is being all 'things'---all existence is God and God's ideas (things) thoughts are things too. All Life is God and God's Awareness.

Yes, I think science is very close to this discovery!! They will probably make the discovery before 'religiosity' can let go its position of (false) authority and power. But, however this Truth arrives, it will be Yippy! It will be a wonder and a joy when this New View dawns on humanity--- It will be Dawn of the New Heaven and New Earth--- I am joyfully looking forward to it.

Maybe just you and I and this guy and that one and a gathering of more and more will bring this Light of Truth- --We won't need any one but our selves to do change the tides, make the quantum leap.

I feel it is important to share what little bit of Glimmers and Insights that Grace has shown me---

Love, SweetMystiery

please, science can't begin to explain god.

science can't exclude anything.


science can't explain anything.

science didn't know there was flowing water on mars.

science sucks.

Originally posted by fooks
please, science can't begin to explain god.

science can't exclude anything.


science can't explain anything.

science didn't know there was flowing water on mars.

science sucks.

Science is a big business cooperation. It makes money on our lack of knowledge and creates fantasy expectations and hope for humanity and for our future. Just like religion.

Religious people are waiting for a saviour to save them from evil, others are waiting for science to create something that will save them from religion.

Originally posted by spy66
This means that all of the countless Gods, past and present were/are real?

No it doesn't. It means that people were/are effected by the belief system that their culture or society worship/enforced by law.

It is true that only in comparatively recent times did certain Christians stop imposing misery, torture or death on those who chose to think for themselves. Though your statement seems a wild exaggeration if you are trying to characterize all other religious cults or zealots as being forced believers and therefore not having your kind of faith, don't you think? There were and still are, countless different religions. All you seem to be saying is that you have true faith and they don't. Yeah, never heard that one before. Try telling a Melanesian he has no faith in John Frum.

Most people put on a show for Christmas so that their kids will enjoy the ritual of getting gifts. In most families God is not even a part of the equation. They fool their kids to believe in a ritual, And all the kids love the ritual.

No, many are quite sure of Santa's reality. They have faith just like you. They have been lied to, just like you probably were. About both Santa and God. They are the same thing. Parents don't usually the truth about God being nonsense (though they do in some instances) because they are often suffering from the same delusion.

I won't touch on the last part. It is probably accidental that you included Spinoza with the quote about sacrifice. It's worth reading about Spinoza's ideas.

Originally posted by fooks
please, science can't begin to explain god.

science can't exclude anything.


science can't explain anything.

science didn't know there was flowing water on mars.

science sucks.

Science isn't a system of belief. Therefore it doesn't attempt to explain God. That is what superstition (religion) is for.

So you knew there was flowing water on Mars. Right. Did God tell you? I thought scientists themselves weren't convinced yet.

Science sucks as well eh? Look around at every aspect of your lifestyle, there may be much you take for granted. An odd thing to say, whether you believe in imaginary deities or not.

Saint Nickolas was never a God or a paranormal being.

Neither was Christ, but that doesn't stop the resulting nonsense. It's very unlikely he even existed, actually impossible in the way portrayed. They are both unrealistic fairy tales now. At least if St. Nick was a real person it makes his myth and the folkloric miracle nonsense at least based on someone known to exist.

Thank you for pointing out that the resulting Santa myth is, at least historically, more valid to begin with.

We are all God children. Even Jesus said so. The thing is that we claim that Jesus is Gods only begotten son.
There is a conflict of faith and identity right there.

We are all borne without a name. We are all borne as "I am". Does that ring a bell of some sort?

If your parents didn't request a name that You would represent. And if i asked you for your name. You would replay: I am me.

You wont get this yet. But we can get into it if you like.

No, in your delusion we belong to some notion of a religious God. No one knows if Christ existed, let alone what he might have said. Though the "I Am" is interesting. I wasn't born with a Ferrari either, this has nothing to do with imaginary deities however.

Perhaps I don't get it yet, or perhaps I do. Perhaps I was looking into it before "you were" even a twinkle in someone's eye. Though I could be wrong there depending on your age. It certainly rings a bell because it reminds me of the philosophical bilge water that certain brainwashing cults spout. Sounds very familiar. Now I am wondering if your self proclaimed "true faith" is very original.

god does not exist he is i thought in your head he is basically like morale you believe he is there and he is there
there has been no physical evidence that he exists and alot that he does not exist he is like an old rumor or fairy tale

Originally posted by sakoy
god does not exist he is i thought in your head he is basically like morale you believe he is there and he is there
there has been no physical evidence that he exists and alot that he does not exist he is like an old rumor or fairy tale

Should i take your word for it?

Is there some way you can confirm what you are saying?

Originally posted by sakoy
god does not exist he is i thought in your head he is basically like morale you believe he is there and he is there
there has been no physical evidence that he exists and alot that he does not exist he is like an old rumor or fairy tale

Then you have nothing to worry about. I havn't got the brains that God gave a goose. And every one who has posted on this thread? On both sides of the debate ? Dosn't have the sense to poor pysss out of boot. Oh wait, that includes you.
Can't have that can we ?