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Originally posted by kevinunknown
I find it truly sad on that on a site who prides itself on the motto “deny ignorance” some people it would seem are turning to mediocre washed out rockers like Gene Simmons for political analysis. I might just start using Peter Griffin to back up my arguments if this is the level that we have lowered our self’s to. Really, people this is getting pathetic turning to this guy for political analysis is like turning to your pet dog to get advice on how to fix your car.
Gene Simmons is a joke.
Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Reply to post by phishyblankwaters
Potayto/Potahto.
In order to start from the 1967 borders, you have to return to them.
Originally posted by the owlbear
reply to post by OldCorp
Jew Bashers? I know you're looking my way. FYI, my neighbors and friends are Jewish in faith, my kids and their kids are the best of friends, there is nothing I wouldn't do for ANYONE in need regardless of race religion or creed. To insinuate I hate Jews is...dare I say...a little insulting. I applaud you pointing out someone's opinion on something and I apologize for hijacking your thread, but don't you EVER accuse me of "Jew bashing". Simply put, Israel should have went back to their borders years ago, they didnt, they have encroached on EVEN MORE land. They have weapons of mass destruction, yet the US doesn't invade. They assault their neighbors for trying to defend themselves or just building a reactor. They have more un resolutions against them than nearly any other nation. These are simply facts. Truth hurts. If you got a problem with that tell the mods. I'd rather not be part of a community which suppresses opinion.
Originally posted by the owlbear
Then why doesn't he move back to his God Given country? He can take Smokin' Joe Lieberman on his shoulders.
What country owes It's existence to the UN yet ignores all mandates against it? I just wish someone would illegally bomb some of their nuclear power plants and installations (ie BOMBS!). They think they are above international law. They'll learn soon enough that the world community isn't putting up with it much longer.
Originally posted by the owlbear
My comments on the bombing of Israeli nuclear facilities stands and is not ignorant. They have destroyed facilities in Iraq and Syria. The UN even condemned the one back in what was that 1981. Before gas attacks and the like from Hussein fell out of favor with the west. They have nuclear weapons and have destabilized the region in doing so. Yet they feel they are entitled to the weApons which they claim they don't have and no other country in the region may have them to defend themselves against attack or just have a reactor. Maybe if someone else had access to weapons to keep them in check, maybe they would go back to their borders mandated and try to give peace a chance.
Originally posted by opal13
I think Gene is a very intelligent business man, and being so does not mean he knows nothing of his homeland. He has his opinion, and everyone else has theirs. Heck, I give him credit for having the balls to admit he voted for Obama. But like he said he voted for an ideal not an idealist. I would be more inclined to listen to Gene and some of the drivel other celebrities spew.
Originally posted by the owlbear
reply to post by bluemirage5
Just an observation, man. People cry foul, unless it's Israel. I personally don't give two sh*ts about all this. Like I said, when the world speaks in a couple of months, Palestine will be a state and with all luck, US resistance notwithstanding, UN peacekeepers will be on the ground to enforce it like they should have done years ago. Rather than Israel building walls and stealing what little water resources the INDIGENOUS people had. I get it your family moved there some time ago and I believe you should have a state with all rights as long as said state realizes it exists neighboring ones with full rights as well. Which Israel has not observed since '69.
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by the owlbear
Who lived in my area? Aboriginals of the land whom were also immigrants and we have a treaty with them!
Yeah hi. Member of the Choctaw nation here, from the Pearl River band in Mississippi. I'mquite a student of the history of my people and my cousins through the Americas. And what I can say with certainty is that "we have a treaty" doesn't really mean a damn thing. Especially when the "treaty" is actually terms of unconditional surrender and ethnic cleansing, as was the case with the treaty at Dancing Rabbit Creek foisted upon us by President Andrew Jackson, demanding the relocation of our nation west to Oklahoma (this is why a midwestern state has a Chacta name) We also know that even a strong treaty doesn't count for anything if one side grows more powerful, such as happened with the Lakota. After trouncing the US Cavalry a few times, the United States gave them the Treaty of Fort Laramie, which guaranteed, indefinitely, the rights of a sovereign Lakota nation within borders decided upon by the Lakota themselves. It was breached by the united States within ten years. Where is "Lakota territory" now?
So yeah. "Having a treaty" doesn't actually mean diddle squat, if the treaty is a forced surrender to oppression made at gunpoint. Similarly, "having a treaty" doesn't actually make any guarantees that the treaty will be followed.
So, save the argument that you have a treaty. There are some of us who know all about treaties.
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
I could care less what Gene Simmons or what any other celebrity thinks for that matter as their opinion is meaningless.
To the OP :
Where does your allegiance lie? Are you an American? If you are your total and final allegiance remains with The United States Of America.
Originally posted by MaskedDebater
So it is OK for a has been no talent faux Rock Star to bash Obama and yet when the Dixie Chicks bashed Bush they were boycotted.
Oh I get it.....not really.
As of 2009, they have won 13 Grammy Awards, with 5 of them earned in 2007 including the coveted Grammy Award for Album of the Year for Taking the Long Way. As of July 2010, with 30.5 million certified albums, and sales of 26,733,000 albums in the U.S., they have become the top selling all-female band in the U.S. during the Nielsen SoundScan era. Dixie Chicks Wiki
Originally posted by 13th Zodiac
How about Israel going back to pre 1900 borders ! That would be better for all.
Originally posted by mayabong
reply to post by OldCorp
Funny, you seem to have no problems pointing out traits of muslims. Of course that isn't considered racism or hate speech.
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by liejunkie01
I saw KISS in their earlier days and one of the best concerts I've ever been to
Originally posted by buster2010
Gene Simmons was eight years old when he moved to the states now how many eight year olds are experts on state politics? Just because he was born and lived there for a few years doesn't mean he knows the politics of Israel.
Originally posted by CynicalWabbit
Originally posted by WeRpeons
Now we're supposed to put stock into a rock star when it comes to national issues? The guys a multi-millionaire! What does he have in common with the majority of Americans? Absolutely nothing.
As if most of the last dozen presidents had anything in common with the majority of Americans.
Originally posted by Antiquated1
It has been the policy for at least the last 3 US presidents but the big difference is this time, it is coming from Obama and there is one big difference between the way he said and the way they said it. He said it while being bla...Obama.
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by OverMan
This "chosen people" myth was created by the Christians & Catholics, not by the Jews!!!
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by OpusMarkII
Regardless....I don't know who I dislike the most.....Obama or Palin !
Originally posted by OpusMarkII
reply to post by bluemirage5
I have no isues with Israel deffending it self but what you want is a massvie boarder expansion this will cuase massvie blood shead . I`m done we are at an impass, Israel certinly will require young Americans to hellp fight these wars
Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Well, in all honesty, it doesnt need to be. Israel would already be gone if we and the rest of the west did not enable them, if they behaved this way. If left to their own devices, without the west intervening, (because we want the regions resources) they would already have reached equilibrium there, it just likely would not be the equilibrium western business interests want. We should not have recreated the country in the first place. Honestly. (And it was Britain's big idea, primarily, even though America takes all the heat for it) and once we did, we should have insisted from the start they give back the land they seized in 1967 or lose all support from the west.
I hope the rest of President Obama's Democratic supports will also wake up to the fact that he's a liar, a weak and ineffective President, and hasn't done anything he promised he would do.
Originally posted by MaskedDebater
reply to post by OldCorp
Thanks for your poignant tale of puberty....not really. But I'm not here to debate music and as they say, there is no accounting for taste. Musically speaking, I've never felt loudness was a substitute for talent. But it is fitting you seem to idolize a a big noisy, fake, untalented band. It is an apt metaphor for the Republican Party. "Love gun" LOL
As far as a blatant lie in your opening epistle:
I hope the rest of President Obama's Democratic supports will also wake up to the fact that he's a liar, a weak and ineffective President, and hasn't done anything he promised he would do.
Here is a rather important one he kept:
Rock on dude. Keep spreading lies and Party every day. LOL
/MD
Although Bush talked tough about getting bin Laden “dead or alive,” he consistently failed to follow through. In November 2001, when bin Laden and his top lieutenants were cornered at the Tora Bora mountain range in eastern Afghanistan, Bush ordered the U.S. military to prematurely pivot toward planning the next war with Iraq.
The hunt for bin Laden was soon put on the back burner. As the Washington Post reported on Friday, “A few months after Tora Bora, as part of the preparation for war in Iraq, the Bush administration pulled out many of the Special Operations and CIA forces that had been searching for bin Laden in Afghanistan, according to several U.S officials who served at the time.”
We now know that Bush’s second term meant a continuation of bin Laden’s relative safety. In 2005, Bush closed down a special CIA unit that had been tracking bin Laden’s whereabouts for almost a decade,
Originally posted by MaskedDebater
reply to post by OldCorp
It is well known that despite Bush’s faux bravado and swagger, OBL became less and less a priority the longer Bush was in office. It went from: Wanted Dead or Alive to the infamous sound bite I will spare you proclaiming he didn’t give OBL much thought.
Although Bush talked tough about getting bin Laden “dead or alive,” he consistently failed to follow through. In November 2001, when bin Laden and his top lieutenants were cornered at the Tora Bora mountain range in eastern Afghanistan, Bush ordered the U.S. military to prematurely pivot toward planning the next war with Iraq.
The hunt for bin Laden was soon put on the back burner. As the Washington Post reported on Friday, “A few months after Tora Bora, as part of the preparation for war in Iraq, the Bush administration pulled out many of the Special Operations and CIA forces that had been searching for bin Laden in Afghanistan, according to several U.S officials who served at the time.”
And the most damning:
We now know that Bush’s second term meant a continuation of bin Laden’s relative safety. In 2005, Bush closed down a special CIA unit that had been tracking bin Laden’s whereabouts for almost a decade,
Source of quotes: consortiumnews.com...
Puleeeze don’t attempt to rewrite history. 911 happened on Bush’s watch despite compelling evidence of imminent attack in Presidential Daily Briefings which he and his team largely ignored. President Obama did the job in getting OBL. Period.
History will long remember Obama’s success and Bush’s failure despite the many attempts by you and others to rewrite history. But I digress, back to weak sauce topic:
Funny how the extreme right is quick to smear the left leaning Hollywood elite liberals then dust off a has been like Gene Simmons or Ted Nugent to tow their extremist party line. BTW, what’s with the Sunglasses indoors? Was he on drugs and afraid to show his eyes or does he still think he is a Rock Star? LOL
/MDedit on 29-5-2011 by MaskedDebater because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by OldCorp
and Obama for accumulating twice as much debt as every single President before him - from Washington to Bush Jr. - COMBINED!
Originally posted by OldCorp
Yeah, treaties. Mohammed was famous for his treaties with his enemies. Actually, he was famous for signing treaties with no intention of honoring them, instead using them to give himself time to rearm and regroup. As soon as he felt able, he attacked those he had signed peace treaties with.
Taquiyya: The Islamic practice of lying to your enemies to advance the cause of Islam. Muslims have no problem lying to infidels, in fact, Mohammed encouraged it. So the next time someone suggests that a peace treaty between Israel and the Palestinians will solve anything - the Hamas charter calls for the absolute destruction of Israel - remember how broken treaties have affected YOUR people. From the last line of the quoted post, you seem to already have a grasp of the concept. Now apply it to the Palestinians in particular, and Muslims in general.
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by kevinunknown
Wrong.....
As a small wee boy Gene Simmons used to live up the street from our family in Haifa, Israel so yes Gene Simmons has far more knowledge than you on Middle Eastern affairs by a long shot because he IS Israeli born and bred!
edit on 27-5-2011 by bluemirage5 because: (no reason given)