UFO Mother Ship over Peru..[HOAX]

Originally posted by Gazrok

Just thought i'd point this out, it's a viral ad for the movie "Skyline", hate to be a party pooper but, hey the truth needs to be heard.

I think this person's called it. Certainly has many similarities, and this vid doesn't seem to be the only viral for the film.

That is the FIRST thing I thought when I saw the video!

I loved the movie Skyline so I remember it well

reply to post by NumberEight
Orlando de la Cruz just started following my Twitter,, He did the Original Video.

I can't find his tweet it was hours ago I tweeted him.

I will also try to contact him by facebook. I have to reopen my face book account. so give me a little time.
I am so tired but I think he can let us know if it is real or fake.

Temporarily closed to allow members to read this:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Okay, I will reopen this thread now.
From this point forward, all off topic remarks, personal attacks and the like will be removed and warned.
Also, the thread will be permanently closed.

reply to post by Chadwickus
The videos are not the same. I am sorry, but I didn't understand what you were trying to show Nowankenubi. I am so tired and the man that did the Original video just started following my Twitter.
I don't know if we can show a Facebook page but I have sent him a message and hope to here from him soon.

It's pretty obvious that it's a blimp.

reply to post by DontTreadOnMe
Super Mod, I just sent the man that made the Original Video a message on his Facebook and he is following me on Twitter, but I didn't find the tweet he sent me.
From what I read on his Facebook page He said his video was still under investigation in Peru. So I am hoping to hear from him soon. Thank you.

reply to post by Gazrok

I think if you go back on the thread you will find that it has been proven Not to be a part of "Skyline" They are not even the same craft.

So let me get this straight, its PROVEN to be a hoax on page 21 yet we're now into the 30+ pages of still more speculation.

Mods please mark this embarassing thread as a HOAX and be done with it.

Originally posted by free_spirit
reply to post by coolottie

 

I'm sorry to spoil your party coolottie (21 pages with this crap) but you must know immediately
that this video is a cheap CGI created by Hendrik Snider Solano de la Cruz aka 12354hs
who fooled the Channel 9 ATV people in Perú and it seems many more by now.

Time to end the discussion, meet Hendrik's “How I made it” and his statement:

“este es un video que mande al canal 9 atv, y lo curioso es que pudo pasar por los tecnicos de
atv. no se si son bestias esos de atv. pero si que preocupo a los tecnicos”

“this is a video I sent to channel 9 atv and funny thing it could pass all the atv technicians,
I don`t know if these atv people are dumb but it really made them worry”

And here is How it was made by Hendrik.

End of story.

edit on 27-5-2011 by free_spirit because: (no reason given)

edit on 27-5-2011 by free_spirit because: (no reason given)

How many more times, this is a hoax. Look at the vid.

reply to post by EnigmaAgent


You look at the video but you failed to read the post. If you read the post you will find they are not the same people or the same video.
If you had even read the Thread you would know this. Someone named Hendrik did the video you posted. But we foundout on page 2-3 of this thread that a man Named= Orlando de la Cruz did the original video.
I just sent him a message. I am going to bed. The Mods are watching so be nice.
They are also waiting for me to hear from Mr. de la Cruz.

See what happens when you jump on a threads last page and make a post without even knowing what is going on.

See you when I wake up.

I'm from Peru and can tell you that this country is a hot spot for UFO activity. Peruvian preculumbian history is also plagued with heavenly visitors to the point that when the spaniards arrived they were welcomed as "returning gods" thus fulfilling an ancient prophecy. Here we have the nazca lines, deformed "conehead" mummies, macchu picchu, etc.

Some posters question why someone would be filming at the sky. Well, some people cloud gaze just like bird watchers do and will film anything that interests them. Also, just because you do or don't do something and react a certain way to a given scenario doesn't mean everyone will mirror you. How arrogant can someone be to dismiss a video just because the people in it react differently than expected. Amazingly, in my view, ats has gone from skepticism to cynical denial in quite a short time. Look at how, before objectively analyzing a video, cynics dismiss it claiming that it's too shaky, blurry, clear (immediate cgi/case closed), it's on YouTube (case closed), the person reacted/didn't react, it would be on the msm, the msm only shows hoaxes.

So, if some aliens and their crafts are interdimensional then how could this video (be it real or not) not seem plausible? Maybe not many people saw it since most people don't look at the sky regularly. On the other hand many people do look up and some even film the clouds. Why would anyone film clouds? Because they felt like it. As a matter of fact, there are videos on YouTube of people trying to burst clouds with their minds for no reason. I wonder how many people were looking up and filming at that precise time and location as the "cloud bursters". If they caught a UFO on camera and even dared put it on YouITube, would that be an automatic hoax alert for the majority of ats deniers? I swear ats is becoming very arid on the subject of ufos and I've been a lurker waaay before I officially joined.

Anyhow, to conclude the rant...

My favorite one, "the UFO design doesn't look UFO enough".

OK.. I guess I'll step in here as a member and not a MOD right now (Johnny takes off his Mod Coat and rolls up his sleeves)

As much as I hate to do this.. because I really was hoping that a few members would've brought out the obvious problems in this, let me get a bit down and dirty with reality.

As an investigator and researcher, there are a number of queries and checklisted concerns that need to be made in order for myself (and other researchers) to be interested. I'm not going to go through all of them, but lets do a bit of detective work here.... As there is a certain criteria needed for "me" to be even interested in pursuing a sighting.

First off, have we had anyone contact the person that has posted this report?
Do we have a detailed report of the sighting?
What is the credibility of the one supplying the report?
Were there other witnesses to this event/sighting?

Now lets break it down a bit in another direction..

This is a YouTube video, submitted by Lord knows who. As I looked at his/her YouTube channel, I see that they have posted a number of videos that they all believe to be (supposed) proof of contact or of UFO's. So one can assume that since none of these videos are 'theirs' but by others, that they are a fan of gathering and submitting content that is not their property for the sole purpose of perhaps:

(a) making a YouTube name for them self
(b) huge fan of UFO's and wants to share their passion
(c) other unknown factor.

But lets put that aside, and work on the original video submitted for scrutiny itself. What do we know of the creator of the video? We can not assume that the videographer is the one in the same as the person on YouTube that has posted it without first contacting that said person. So the question is, have we done that? If so what was the response? Do we have a sightings report to coincide with said YouTube submission? Has said report been made to a UFO reporting site/organization? If so, has that also been stated in said YouTube video 'INFO'? If not.. why hasn't he/she done so?

A sighting of this magnitude would make one think that surely there were other witnesses to such a huge event. How many other sighting reports have been made on this same day from people claiming to have seen a UFO several miles in length (Coolottie's words on her original post)? If none have stepped forward, we have to ask ourselves as to why that might be.

Back to the video..
Is there anything strange about the video? Does the cameraperson follow the video, or does it appear that the camera is transfixed in just one area while the event happens off to the side? Did the camera person zoom in at all or is it just one shot? If one were to capture such a momentous history making event, wouldn't the cameraperson do anything and everything to try and keep filming/videotaping it? If this had been me, I'd be in my car, bike or running with my camera to get a better shot from another angle. Is there any commentary by the witness while this is happening? Does the cameraperson sound panicked, calm or is he/she silent? But we can not assume to much in a case like this, that they may or may not have reacted a certain way, so lets not..

Back again to the video..
When we look at the video, what is our first impression? Does it scream out fake or CGI, or does it take our breath away that this is the real McCoy? Because of the software that is out there on the market, literally anyone can now do what just 5-10 years ago would've required a full-edit studio and a barrage of artist working on a visual effect for months.. All in a matter of minutes to hours depending on the quality/effort they wish to put into it. As we look at the video, do we notice any of the tell-tell signs of CGI? Obviously, not everyone is going to be an accredited professional when it comes to CGI, so have we presented this video to someone in the industry for their opinion?

But even if were not specialist in the field, there are things that might give away some truth about what were being presented. For example, What about shadows? Does the top of A UFO have the same luminosity as the bottom or the sides? Can we compare these shadows with shadows that might also be in the video of houses, telephone poles, etc? Even on a cloudy day, there are subtle changes in brightness and contrast.

This is only a few of my queries from my own personal checklist. And with that said, even before we had the link from the "supposed" submitter of the original footage (on page 21), I was convinced that this was CGI.. HOW? Well the craft itself was quite telling (imho) with the lack of shadows, and the luminosity seemed wrong. The top of the craft should've been reflecting the Sunlight from above (which it doesn't). Plus the way the craft rotated in it's panning from behind one cloud to another, didn't "feel" right.

So while everyone argues about resolution (which we don't know what it was in the onset), or why in one video clip it seems to not be the same size (they call that cropping), or that one video is submitted by "so-and-so" and the other is by "whats-his-name" (it's YouTube, everyone steals everyone else's footage anyway, right now there are 10 copycats with the same footage..), I will focus on the things that I can work with within the criteria I know. Because here's the bottomline when it comes to YouTube videos.. We do not know squat about the person that is submitting a piece of footage and why they're doing it. Perhaps they are wanting their 15 minutes of hoaxing fame, perhaps they are wanting to show-off their skills at CGI so that they can maybe get a future job with ILM or Speilberg. The point being, there are too many factors that we just don't know, so focus on the ones you can work with.

And if the results turn out to go against what you had hoped for, big deal, move on, get over it. There are too many other things going on to make such a big deal over a piece of footage that's not even your own.. Go out and try to have your own experience, do some skywatching rather than YouTube watching.. Then at least the experience will be your own and not someone elses.. Get passionate about your own life, not someone elses.

One last thing.. I've read this a number of times and it really bugs me.. And that is people saying that whats the use of even having a forum on Aliens and UFO's if the debunkers are going to come in and make a big stink. News Flash..! Get over yourself, everyone has an opinion and we encourage everyone to share it.. If your looking for a forum that will placidly sit by and not offer any critical thinking, there are plenty of them around, I'll even help you find one if it'll get "you" (you being in general, I'm not singling out anyone here) to stop whining. For Cripes Sake! Were ATS Darn it..! Our Motto is "DENY IGNORANCE"! We do that by challenging our brain and by thinking out of the box. It's only after we have eliminated everything else that we can have a better idea of "what might be the truth". Sure you might not like it, but we need each other.

I am not saying that because one case might not support your belief system that you need to change to being overly skeptical or vice-a-versa. Although I do know of "skeptics" that once they had their own experience (and they were die-hards too), are now believers. I know "believers" that once they understood that over 98% of what is presented can be explained, became some of the finest researchers/debunkers that I know. And thats all fine and dandy, I myself am a "UNHOLY TRINITY" as I am a believer/experiencer, a Skeptic and a Debunker to boot.. Try going to bed with that every night..!

Stay true to your belief's, but be open-minded that you may be able to learn something from someone else. And if something rubs you the wrong way because it challenges your belief system, so what? Learn from it, get better educated on the subject. But remember, just because we want something to be true, it doesn't make it so without evidence... And YouTube videos are a poor excuse for evidence (for a number of reasons).

Alright, I'll shut up now, try to be civil people (Johnny reaches for his Mod Coat).
Johnny

How is discussing hoax offtopic when a thread has been hoaxed? My point about the clouds was defnitely not off topic. Normally clouds would not disperse or move with a real UFO. They manipulate clouds 100%. They can wear them like a skin, they can put sink into them and use them for cover, for most are not visible in the day unless you use IR. However, when the clouds still would move and appear natural to some degree, a little. This video has the dog barking, everything in it seems natural, excluding the craft, except the clouds seem odd even for a sighting. If those clouds where its cover, would they make them 100% stationary? Then they would have stood out on their own.

Originally posted by Dastardly666
reply to post by coolottie

 

It would be amazing if real. I can't tell if its CGI but I'm sure someone will.

You're right it looks good being on a news channel however more witnesses would make it more credible.

I'm hoping someone will confirm its real or fake soon.

Are we even sure that this is a credible news program in Peru? This may be their equivalent to TMZ.

reply to post by OptimusSubprime
Yes, here is the TV station just use google.
www.tuteve.tv...

reply to post by coolottie


I work in after effects and a few 3d progs daily and this is p*ss poor composite. I also live in Peru and have scoured the dailies and tv for this to no avail, the wife is still doing it so if any confirmation comes up I'll let you know.

couple of points for your consideration though:

1. Everyone has computers and mobile phones here, they're as cheap as chips.
2. Huancayo is a city not a village.
3. The motion tracking in this COMPOSITE isn't done very well, its not crap but it's not good enough.
4. The cloud drag effect COULD be fumefx or trapcode particular, but I'm betting its simply Turbulent Displace on a smoke layer from videocopilot's action essentials pack.
5. The lighting is all wrong on the 'craft'
6. Something that big would be so high, yet there's no ambient occlusion or occular fade.
7. Anything under 10 seconds long isn't battery failure or other such excuse, it's just laziness and impatience with render times.
8. Fail

reply to post by JohnnyAnonymous

As much as I hate to do this.. because I really was hoping that a few members would've brought out the obvious problems in this, let me get a bit down and dirty with reality.

The obvious problems with this video go without saying but I think you've said all that needs to be said on it, the look, the feel of it isn't right.

There's no corroborating stories...something this big does not get missed, just look at the Falcon 9 rocket/spiral over the east coast of Australia last year (or year before, I forget), this thing passed over the sky in a matter of minutes and was spotted and filmed by dozens of people...at 5am!

You can take a lot from these sorts of sightings, sure they may be man made and mundane but the way the above event and others (Norway spiral) play out is worth looking at, because if the real deal does happen, we'll know a little more about what to expect, how people react, how the media handles it etc. it's also handy to catch the hoaxers out too.

As fake as grandmas teeth.

An object this size - as already pointed out by others - would create a massive turbulence and have a vidible impact upon the clouds.