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Originally posted by Alpal
No hard proof, No god. simple
Actually were all part of God, we stem from the very source of it all, nobody can be God, but God himself.
And that is the very reason why Satan was condemned, too much pride...God gave him everything and yet he taught he was greater than God.
Peace
Originally posted by SergeantTrammelant
I tend not to blindly take ancient storys that have been forced in to the minds of people for hundreds of years (believe or burn, quite literally) as truth. If you do, you should seriously reconsider either your knowledge of history, or your mental health.
I believe there is more, but it is not to be found in any of the modern day religions. To claim there is a god because some old book says so, is ridiculous.
Originally posted by mrjones7885
reply to post by InnerPeace2012
I don't refer to it as god because that would make IT above me and the universe was created infinitely and equally so that means I'm equal to "god" which I call creation.
God is perfect as can be, in everything he does, so are we perfect than???
Yes he created everything equally, isn't he very smart???
Are you willing to the live the perfect life god wants you to live??? Unfortunately we all can't, therefore He sent his only son Jesus to show us the way???
So to be able to merge with God, simply live the life Jesus lived...simply as that.
Peace...
Originally posted by Tayesin
I know this thread is up to 4 pages already, but I want to address this response from the OP....
Originally posted by mikesk8s247
nevermind, i just posted this to help people and i get a bunch of jerks, like "nope, no God" i will pray for your unhappy souls
Firstly, a true Christian would never refer to another human being as a Jerk..even if they have different Beliefs to your's. Name calling is not on here at ATS... try to control yourself when responding to opposition... that way you will learn to Master Yourself.
Who says these Souls are unhappy?
From my direct experience I can tell you that a Soul is not the small, naughty thing you were Indoctrinated into Believing it is. No sir... a Soul is massive, powerful and already Perfect.
To a Soul there is no good or bad.. there is only Valid Experiences of offer Here.
All Souls are only portions of the One Source/Awareness/Energy of this Universe. If we had to we could say this Universe is 'God'. It is not Male.. it is not the same God as in Genesis.. and neither is the Christian God of Love.
God, as spoken about in the Bible simply does not exist.. although at some point in history 'He' did exist as a Male Alien Visitor to Earth.. so the Origins of Genesis tell us.
Originally posted by mrjones7885
reply to post by InnerPeace2012
God is perfect as can be, in everything he does, so are we perfect than???
Yes he created everything equally, isn't he very smart???
Are you willing to the live the perfect life god wants you to live??? Unfortunately we all can't, therefore He sent his only son Jesus to show us the way???
So to be able to merge with God, simply live the life Jesus lived...simply as that.
Peace...
I'm not done with you. ABSOLUTELY we were given a soul so we are perfect BUT here's the catch WE ARE SOULS. Souls are the god-like creatures we refer to. Jesus was a very very very old spirit thousands and thousands of years evolved. He was reborn into the flesh to guide us on the lighted most desirable path.
I am currently living the perfect life that I WANT TO LIVE. And I do follow the teachings of Jesus probably more so than you. I have interpreted his teachings and deciphered them as well for myself to benefit myself. I suggest you read THE AQUARIAN GOSPEL OF JESUS. you would enjoy it.
I am love,
An
reply to post by Reprobation
The answer to this is that we did not define events as actions having a beginning, but as “anything that has a beginning.” Actions may have a beginning, namely the actions of creation – as they all share this resemblance, or they may not, namely the actions of Allah.
Allah does not resemble the creations, so is not an event or attributed with events. This is because to “create” is to “bring into existence,” and all events are therefore by definition created. As Allah’s attributes are not creations, they are not events.
You said "I don't refer to it as god because that would make IT above me and the universe was created infinitely and equally so that means I'm equal to "god" which I call creation."
Seems pretty hubristic. The universe isn't infinite.
The universe is not beginning-less..What if someone told you "I will give you this dollar after an infinite amount of time". Will you ever receive this dollar? No. Likewise, if an infinite amount of time preceded the present, will it ever be traversed? No. The claim entails that an infinite amount of time can be traversable - which is impossible. In other words, an explanation:
Premise A: We exist here today.
Premise B: Before we existed there were a series of events, one after another leading up to our existence today. (The passing of such a series of events is what we call time, and measure in minutes, days, weeks and years.)
If one accepts Premise A, then one must also accept that the series of events in premise B must have a beginning. This must be, because if someone claims that an eternal amount of events had to be concluded before his existence, then he is saying that eternity came to an end, which is a contradiction in terms. It is like if someone said “this car will only get to its destination after its wheels have spun infinitely many times,” and then claimed that the car arrived at its destination. It is clear, however, that the car could never have gotten to its destination if an infinite number of spins was the condition for its arrival.
We are humans, we're weak and so small in this vast universe. We can't create, i.e., bring something from nothing. We use material that was here to construct and manipulate to form other objects of which never thought of. For example, the materials to make planes were here 5,000 years ago. Even if there was no steel or iron, the objects to "manipulate" to transmute them to steel/iron were.
Yes, the soul is perfect, I agree. But physically we cannot claim to be equal to God.
Why because the Physical world we live in, is simply a lower plain of existence...so you, a physical being, therefore can not be God.
Jesus was killed for spreading the truth and by his actions, many came to believe him to be the true son of the living God or physical God so to speak. The holy trinity.
So why don't you show us that you are the way, the truth and the life, if you claim to be God.
Peace
The law of conservation of energy is an empirical law of physics. It states that the total amount of energy in an isolated system remains constant over time (is said to be conserved over time). A consequence of this law is that energy can neither be created nor destroyed: it can only be transformed from one state to another.
The Bible makes it abundantly clear that false teachers will deceive many people into believing false doctrines. The only way to know for sure that you are right with God is to know what He has to say and trust Him rather than men.
Matthew 7:15,16 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits....
2 Timothy 4:3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.
Acts 20:29-31 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves . Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.
Matthew 15:9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.
2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 Peter 3:16,17 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
Hebrews 13:9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.
Originally posted by Wonders
Originally posted by Tayesin
From my direct experience I can tell you that a Soul is not the small, naughty thing you were Indoctrinated into Believing it is. No sir... a Soul is massive, powerful and already Perfect.
To a Soul there is no good or bad.. there is only Valid Experiences of offer Here.
All Souls are only portions of the One Source/Awareness/Energy of this Universe. If we had to we could say this Universe is 'God'. It is not Male.. it is not the same God as in Genesis.. and neither is the Christian God of Love.
God, as spoken about in the Bible simply does not exist.. although at some point in history 'He' did exist as a Male Alien Visitor to Earth.. so the Origins of Genesis tell us.
Interesting, I'd like to know, how did you come to your conclusions?
Originally posted by mrjones7885
reply to post by InnerPeace2012
Yes, the soul is perfect, I agree. But physically we cannot claim to be equal to God.
Why because the Physical world we live in, is simply a lower plain of existence...so you, a physical being, therefore can not be God.
Jesus was killed for spreading the truth and by his actions, many came to believe him to be the true son of the living God or physical God so to speak. The holy trinity.
So why don't you show us that you are the way, the truth and the life, if you claim to be God.
Peace
And yet you agree we have souls. The problem with you is that you believe that you only possess the soul. I believe I am the soul. If I showed you it wouldn't prove anything. Look what happened with Jesus. He tried to show us the way but his teachings were exploited. No one sought to understand his teachings. He was here to show us what we can do with OUR SOULS AS BEING SOULS OURSELVES. Jesus was born in the physical form with a prominent pure spirit. your soul is but a dim light and mine is growing everyday. I may not be able to walk on water or turn water into wine but I can still do amazing things... so can we all.
The problem is that people took him as just the son of god and not an example of ourselves. If we should choose to follow in his footsteps we will be capable of the same tasks. Death is merely a portal not to heaven but your next life. Souls are energy
The law of conservation of energy is an empirical law of physics. It states that the total amount of energy in an isolated system remains constant over time (is said to be conserved over time). A consequence of this law is that energy can neither be created nor destroyed: it can only be transformed from one state to another.
Souls cannot be destroyed
I will live forever
And yet you agree we have souls.
Look what happened with Jesus. He tried to show us the way but his teachings were exploited. No one sought to understand his teachings...
I may not be able to walk on water or turn water into wine but I can still do amazing things... so can we all.
your soul is but a dim light and mine is growing everyday