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Originally posted by kro32
Originally posted by idonotcollectstamps
reply to post by kro32
I would agree to limiting magazine capacity as long as the Police (local and state) and ALL Federal Agencies ban them for their Officers THEN I would do it AFTER they do it. Until that happens, cold dead hands etc. The older impotent generation might have submitted to a ban of this kind, but not this guy. No way will I let it occur again without a fight.
Well while your fighting you battle with the government i'm sitting at school where all of a sudden i'm going to have kids all over with concealed weapons with 30 round clips or something similar. Do you know how much alcohol is on campus or how many pettly little fights break out over dating.
If some kid who is allowed to carry now has a freak out moment and starts shooting I would rather dodge 10 bullets than 30. These aren't criminals carrying they are normal students who probably think it's gonna be cool to be packing legally now. Their guns will be bought legitimatley so that is what i'm concerned about. If a criminal comes in and starts shooting there's nothing I can do about that but we can lower the possible threat from legal guns by reducing the size of the magazine.
Well if a criminal comes on your campus and starts shooting you'll be glad you have 30 round clips, is gonna be the reply. Well playing the odds here I would respond by saying we've never had a shooting on campus so it's more likely that when we do it will be caused by a legal carrying student who now has access and has a moment of rage.
Originally posted by idonotcollectstamps
Originally posted by kro32
Originally posted by idonotcollectstamps
reply to post by kro32
I would agree to limiting magazine capacity as long as the Police (local and state) and ALL Federal Agencies ban them for their Officers THEN I would do it AFTER they do it. Until that happens, cold dead hands etc. The older impotent generation might have submitted to a ban of this kind, but not this guy. No way will I let it occur again without a fight.
Well while your fighting you battle with the government i'm sitting at school where all of a sudden i'm going to have kids all over with concealed weapons with 30 round clips or something similar. Do you know how much alcohol is on campus or how many pettly little fights break out over dating.
If some kid who is allowed to carry now has a freak out moment and starts shooting I would rather dodge 10 bullets than 30. These aren't criminals carrying they are normal students who probably think it's gonna be cool to be packing legally now. Their guns will be bought legitimatley so that is what i'm concerned about. If a criminal comes in and starts shooting there's nothing I can do about that but we can lower the possible threat from legal guns by reducing the size of the magazine.
Well if a criminal comes on your campus and starts shooting you'll be glad you have 30 round clips, is gonna be the reply. Well playing the odds here I would respond by saying we've never had a shooting on campus so it's more likely that when we do it will be caused by a legal carrying student who now has access and has a moment of rage.
What if a Cop who has a 30 round magazine starts shooting up the school campus? What if a federal agent takes his 30 round magazine out and starts shooting everyone on campus? I would rather dodge ten bullets from a cop or federal officer than 30. Oh wait you think only the government should be allowed to have them? I guess cops and federal officers cannot go crazy and start shooting people? Only non police and non federal law enforcement are prone to insanity? Only college students drink and fight over women? Cops never do it right?
I guess by "some kid" you mean a 21 year old adult since that is the legal age to carry a handgun in the United States (in most states)? They are good enough to go to war and fight and use 30 round magazines but once they are back in the United States they are not good enough to carry them for self defense?
Like I said if we are going to limit magazine capacity it is a all or nothing deal. ALL Cops (local and state) ALL Federal Law Enforcement and THEN all citizens. None of this Cops and Feds are responsible and the rest of you are all evil scumbags who want to shoot college kids in the head at the first opportunity.
Originally posted by idonotcollectstamps
reply to post by kro32
I think Charles Whitman would have a shot or two to say to you. He was a trained Marine rifleman who manages to snipe nearly 50 people on a Texas Campus. If someone wants to kill you they are going to do it. Crazy is crazy. Shooting off a 30 round magazine at strangers is a mark of insanity, not a mark of someone fighting over a girl. Normal people do not go on shooting sprees. CRAZY PEOPLE DO! Anyone can be effected by insanity.
A 30 round handgun magazine ban would be just the beginning I am afraid. The next thing would be the caliber of the bullet. Why do you need a .45 round? That is so large it is only meant to kill people. It is a tactical cop killer round designed to kill not for self defense. Hollow points? Those have to go as well. Why can you fire off ten bullets in two seconds and then reload in one second? make a law so that you cannot carry more than one extra magazine on your person. Make a law that says a trigger cannot fire faster than one time per second. You want to carry TWO handguns at the same time? No sorry only one from now on. Why do you need to own more than one handgun if you can't carry more than one gun at the same time? Only allowed to own one from now on and on and on and on and on and on until you are not allowed to own a handgun at all because they are only used to kill college kids in drunken girlfriend rages.
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Originally posted by kro32
Originally posted by Glencairn
reply to post by kro32
You know why I would like to have the ability to have more than 10 bullets at a time, 'cuz I'm a little tiny girl and have little tiny fingers and am of the "I'll do it myself" type mentality when it comes to loading my clips. I don't want to depend on my husband or brother-in-law to load my bullets for me. I am able to do it myself. If I don't want them doing it for me, why would I want a politician making decisions about how many I can load at a time?
I don't want someone else telling me that I have to only use 10 at a time, stop, walk over to reload, go back to shooting, stop, go reload...wash, rinse, repeat. Over the course of a whole afternoon that gets monotonous and I spend more time walking back and forth to get to the bullets to load them than I do being able to plink away at my targets. Unless someone is doing it for me to take some time off the process, but then that cuts into their time that they would like to be spending plinking at their own targets.
Sorry, but we aren't using our guns to take out the girl scouts or anything. There is no reason that we, who have fully followed the law in every aspect, should be the ones punished because some criminal can't be bothered with the law. As others on this thread have mentioned, they're criminals. They aren't all that worried about the law to begin with or we wouldn't be calling them criminals. What makes anyone think that, suddenly, this will be the law that they decide they had better not break? Really? Let me tell ya what: it won't be.
So, if someone wants to come out shooting with me and sit by my box of bullets and spend the day doing nothing but loading my clips (magazines?) so that I don't have to spend more time on walking back and forth, I'm not going to stop them. Since the odds of that happening fall somewhere between slim and none, they should really pull their noses out of my business and not worry about whether or not I shoot 10 bullets before walking to reload or 30.
Take care,
Cindi
Well because if someone at my school who is carrying a gun because of the new law which he didn't buy illegally has a bad day with his girlfriend or get's high and decides to go on a shooting rampage I'd appreciate him only getting off 10 rounds instead of 30 so we might have a chance to tackle him or something along those llines.
I think I have a valid point. Your assuming that everyone with legal access to these firearms are responsible people and that's not always the case. Now when i'm being put in a situation where there may very well be hidden guns around me for 8 hours a day I would like a bit of a safety net.
So i'm sorry if your having to reload on the shooting range inconviences you but compared to the possiblity of me losing my life...I don't have much sympathy for you.edit on 17-4-2011 by kro32 because: added more
Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by neo96
I only buy magpul Pmags for my AR and my wife's M4. We each have one Beta Mag (100rounds) and for the life of me I can't recall the last time we came home from a little girl shooting spree.
Originally posted by kro32
Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by kro32
Please reread that post. Your question has been answered.
sheesh.edit on 17-4-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)
That's fine but my point was to the original post. My school has never had a school shooting and I recently asked this question at a school ralley we had. "If students are allowed to carry concealed weapons is the possiblility of a shooting on campus going to go up or go down?" What do you think?
Of course they are going to go up.
Originally posted by kro32Now if that happens I don't want fellow students, most of whom are not criminals and will purchase weapons from the local gun store, to have access to weapons with large magazines or whatever the bill is about.
I doubt if your ability to overthrow the government is going to be hampered if you have to stop and reload instead of firing off 30 rounds in .2 seconds. I know the specifics are wrong but you get my point. The odds of people needing these weapons to defend against the government vs. the possibility of me getting shot at school kinda makes this one a no brainer.
Originally posted by kro32
Cool, can't wait to get my hands on that portable rocket launcher for self defense.
Also I am curious as to why you limit it to any man portable weapon. Obviously you think there comes a point when weaponry becomes too powerful for the average law abiding citizen to be trusted with so I wonder why you draw the line there.
According to your logic above there should be no limit as to what we should or should not be able to own as far as weaponry goes.edit on 18-4-2011 by kro32 because: added more
Well Here's a foreign concept: "you can take responsibility for your own carcass and defend yourself and your classmates"...
Originally posted by kro32
Originally posted by idonotcollectstamps
reply to post by kro32
I think Charles Whitman would have a shot or two to say to you. He was a trained Marine rifleman who manages to snipe nearly 50 people on a Texas Campus. If someone wants to kill you they are going to do it. Crazy is crazy. Shooting off a 30 round magazine at strangers is a mark of insanity, not a mark of someone fighting over a girl. Normal people do not go on shooting sprees. CRAZY PEOPLE DO! Anyone can be effected by insanity.
A 30 round handgun magazine ban would be just the beginning I am afraid. The next thing would be the caliber of the bullet. Why do you need a .45 round? That is so large it is only meant to kill people. It is a tactical cop killer round designed to kill not for self defense. Hollow points? Those have to go as well. Why can you fire off ten bullets in two seconds and then reload in one second? make a law so that you cannot carry more than one extra magazine on your person. Make a law that says a trigger cannot fire faster than one time per second. You want to carry TWO handguns at the same time? No sorry only one from now on. Why do you need to own more than one handgun if you can't carry more than one gun at the same time? Only allowed to own one from now on and on and on and on and on and on until you are not allowed to own a handgun at all because they are only used to kill college kids in drunken girlfriend rages.
Yes you are right that if someone goes crazy they are going to go after you no matter what. My point was how I can increase my chances of survival if that does happen.
Originally posted by kro32
And you have a very good point about where do you stop and that's why debates and forums and people discussing the issue is important. Society will determine as a consensus what they feel is appropriate and we will live with that.
I'm very against my state allowing students to carry concealed weapons however I am not for banning guns at all. My only concern is that if the law passes and they are allowed to carry I would prefer something maybe not as deadly. This would include automatic weapons or guns with large magazines and what not.
I know all guns can be deadly but in my situation it will not be highly trained people carrying the guns. It will more than likely be some dumb college kid who is looking for trouble more than anything so my statements are not directed at responsible gun owners out there who I believe should own whatever they want really. I know they aren't gonna be sitting in class next to me all pissed off cause they just got a D on the term paper and are fingering their gun under their jacket staring at the professor.
Originally posted by kro32
So i'm sorry if your having to reload on the shooting range inconviences you but compared to the possiblity of me losing my life...I don't have much sympathy for you.
I'm not an expert in guns or stuff and certainly don't want to see that right taken away but
is there something your gonna use a 30 round clip for that you couldn't use a smaller one for.
It might make it less accessable to criminals which would be a good thing.
And where do you draw the line at what is too much? Would you have a problem with grenade launchers being legal?
Good points and I agree with most of them but certainly making some guns illegal makes them less readily accessable.
My state, Arizona, is trying to make it legal for students to carry concealed weapons on campus and I have a serious problem with that. If you saw all the alcohol and petty fights over dates and stuff you'd be nervous too.
If I wanted to buy an illegal gun I wouldn't have the first clue on where to get one but if that gun was carried in the local gun store it would be no problem for me to go buy it.
Most of the kids on campus aren't criminals either but according to you it would be ok if they carried fully automatic uzi's strapped over their shoulder?
What purpose would owning a bazooka have for anyone.
So we should allow average citizens access to biological and nuclear weapons?
I'm all for people owning guns I just would like to know at what point do you say..."Hey that gun really shouldn't be able to be bought in the store"
or the local car dealership selliing fully armed tanks to the general public?
That's fine but my point was to the original post. My school has never had a school shooting and I recently asked this question at a school ralley we had. "If students are allowed to carry concealed weapons is the possiblility of a shooting on campus going to go up or go down?" What do you think?
Of course they are going to go up. Now if that happens I don't want fellow students, most of whom are not criminals and will purchase weapons from the local gun store, to have access to weapons with large magazines or whatever the bill is about.
I doubt if your ability to overthrow the government is going to be hampered if you have to stop and reload instead of firing off 30 rounds in .2 seconds. I know the specifics are wrong but you get my point. The odds of people needing these weapons to defend against the government vs. the possibility of me getting shot at school kinda makes this one a no brainer.
Well because if someone at my school who is carrying a gun because of the new law which he didn't buy illegally has a bad day with his girlfriend or get's high and decides to go on a shooting rampage ..
I'd appreciate him only getting off 10 rounds instead of 30 so we might have a chance to tackle him or something along those llines.
I think I have a valid point. Your assuming that everyone with legal access to these firearms are responsible people and that's not always the case. Now when i'm being put in a situation where there may very well be hidden guns around me for 8 hours a day I would like a bit of a safety net.
So i'm sorry if your having to reload on the shooting range inconviences you but compared to the possiblity of me losing my life...I don't have much sympathy for you.
Adding more bullets will not make me any safer but it certainly will increase my danger level.
There have been no shootings on my campus because guns are not allowed.
Once again, nobody has a right to a 30 round clip. Perhaps you should read the constitution before posting your ignorance for everyone to see.
Maybe ... probably .... might have to ..... what if ..... possibility .... I think ...... may .... likely
I swear some people just like to make stuff up to support their argument.