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Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by kro32
Do you have any idea how many times that ridiculous argument has been used?
Originally posted by kro32
So we should allow average citizens access to biological and nuclear weapons?
Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by kro32
The ridiculous argument that because some of us feel we should have the ability to match the military's ground forces in weaponry that somehow that translates into being able to use bio weapons and nukes. It's childish.
Explosives are something that should be controlled, but one must understand that explosives can be made VERY easily and these things can only be controlled so much.
You're barkin' up the wrong tree here.
My family came from a country that doesn't allow any guns because the government doesn't want the people to be able to defend themselves from their ridiculousness.
Apparently you don't understand the concept of a level playing field and what that means to self defense. I don't want to ban ANY weapons. Self defense is a natural right not subject to legislation.
The cat has it's and claws, the dog has it's teeth, the human lacking claws and sharp pointed teeth, uses his/her mind and hands to create weapons.
That's not up for negotiation with me.edit on 17-4-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)edit on 17-4-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by kro32
Please reread that post. Your question has been answered.
sheesh.edit on 17-4-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Glencairn
reply to post by kro32
You know why I would like to have the ability to have more than 10 bullets at a time, 'cuz I'm a little tiny girl and have little tiny fingers and am of the "I'll do it myself" type mentality when it comes to loading my clips. I don't want to depend on my husband or brother-in-law to load my bullets for me. I am able to do it myself. If I don't want them doing it for me, why would I want a politician making decisions about how many I can load at a time?
I don't want someone else telling me that I have to only use 10 at a time, stop, walk over to reload, go back to shooting, stop, go reload...wash, rinse, repeat. Over the course of a whole afternoon that gets monotonous and I spend more time walking back and forth to get to the bullets to load them than I do being able to plink away at my targets. Unless someone is doing it for me to take some time off the process, but then that cuts into their time that they would like to be spending plinking at their own targets.
Sorry, but we aren't using our guns to take out the girl scouts or anything. There is no reason that we, who have fully followed the law in every aspect, should be the ones punished because some criminal can't be bothered with the law. As others on this thread have mentioned, they're criminals. They aren't all that worried about the law to begin with or we wouldn't be calling them criminals. What makes anyone think that, suddenly, this will be the law that they decide they had better not break? Really? Let me tell ya what: it won't be.
So, if someone wants to come out shooting with me and sit by my box of bullets and spend the day doing nothing but loading my clips (magazines?) so that I don't have to spend more time on walking back and forth, I'm not going to stop them. Since the odds of that happening fall somewhere between slim and none, they should really pull their noses out of my business and not worry about whether or not I shoot 10 bullets before walking to reload or 30.
Take care,
Cindi
Originally posted by Glencairn
reply to post by kro32
You do understand that this hypothetical student, if he is able to buy the gun legally, hasn't done anything wrong yet, right? You are verging dangerously close to some kind of "Minority Report" type mentality. You want to limit the rights of the entire country on a hypothetical scenario that revolves around some kid maybe potentially committing a crime, but that hasn't been committed yet?
What about the other people who would have their own guns and possibly be able to stop this hypothetical student before he was able to get his shots off and kill someone? Why wait for him to run out and then tackle him if it could be done more safely from a distance by some other armed and law abiding person?
Why should your safety net be allowed to take the rights away of others who have done nothing to deserve being punished, just so you have your peace of mind? Isn't that less of a safety net and more of a security blanket?
Take care,
Cindi
Originally posted by Glencairn
reply to post by kro32
You say that it "probably" won't be hypothetical and that it very well "may" be something that you have to face. Unless you can see the future, you are still working with hypothetical imaginings.
No, you don't have the right to remove the rights of others just so that you have peace of mind. That isn't how it works. Look, I understand the impulse. When I hear people like the Westboro Baptist group, I absolutely hate that they say what they do and are protected by the first amendment. That does not, however, give me the right to remove their first amendment right to freedom of speech just because I don't like what they are saying. This is the same thing. You are wanting to remove the rights of an entire population because you don't want to have to worry about some hypothetical kid at school shooting the place up.
You can keep the scenario running and add whatever flourishes and embellishments you want, it doesn't change the fact that you are advocating removing a right so that you have less to worry about. The fact is, this hypothetical kid is a lot less likely to go on some rampage if he has to worry about his actions causing others to shoot back than he is if he thinks that he is shooting at fish in a barrel.
Take care,
Cindi
You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.
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Originally posted by kro32
Well seriously what do you need large clips like that for anyways if you don't have something evil planned. I remember the two heavily armed bank robbers in california that put up quite a fight with their armor and guns.
I'm not an expert in guns or stuff and certainly don't want to see that right taken away but is there something your gonna use a 30 round clip for that you couldn't use a smaller one for. I know what the criminals would use it for.
And yes i'm sure you could use it to defend yourself but how many times do you actually ever hear about a gun battle happening among normal everyday people that would require that?
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by bekod
there are 30 round clips for glocksedit on 17-4-2011 by neo96 because: (no reason given)