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Rampant Immigration Dividing The UK says Cameron

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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 06:18 AM
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Eh, I would suggest you review on how many eastern Europeans are getting ANY benefit in UK , then compare it to the average UK level. Eastern Europeans are not coming in the UK to stay on benefits, they come to work and they do work hard. When they make a buck, they go back hope - leaving UK with a contribution on taxes . I personally know a lot of polish people in the UK, and when recession come they went back home despite the thousands they paid on tax in the UK. Actually back in 2009 there was quite a wave of polish people going home. And by the way , Eastern Europe is out of recession with small exceptions - you are welcome to come to the East.

Edited to add - I guess is the recession making people way too suspicious on each-other, just like the times before WW2 when Hitler started to become popular. How many of you do know eastern Europeans with kids in the UK? I know NONE, yet most of the young eastern Europeans in the UK are at the reproductive age.
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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 06:19 AM
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I'm split at what to think about this

Few things an ATSer has to consider...

* This speech/others like it could intend to actually encourage violence, mistrust between communities. Divide and conquer. Could you imagine how powerful the populace could be if there was no division along any lines?

* We know the government has no real power to stop or even limit immigration, unless there is a total pullout of the EU. Anything spoken otherwise by Cameron is just vote catching (note the upcoming local elections)

* Or he could actually be genuine in his statements. By definition "multiculturalism" implies communities living side-by-side, separate but in one place, not integrating and becoming one society. That is bound to create problems. Whether this was intended by TPTB or not to create a weaker, distracted populace, it certainly has failed.
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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 06:20 AM
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where did the australians come from ? not the native australians the rest of them , they came from Britain primarily , and so started one of the most xenophobic countries ever being immigrants themselves!
this whole them or us arguement is rubbish , we are not racist we are xenophobic. we are all the same race the human race !
the main reasons multiculturalism doesnt work is because people tend to stick to themselves , and they stay in groups or enclaves or communities , because the governements put them all in housing in the same area, or they move to where their family or friends are and dont tend to interact they segregate themselves.

Im not saying Scotland is a perfect example but people mix well here , there are no culture clashes , and sure the groups stay in their groups but they do mix . Its the parents of those mixing that disagree because they are set in their ways through religion or cultural stigma.

Change again is what is needed , David Bowie , Changes is the song for the moment here !



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 06:30 AM
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I dont really care where the aussies came from all those years ago im talking about now, i had 20+ good years in australia altho it was a case of "spot the aussie" or going up to the gold coast and seeing the street signs in english and japanese.
Take a trip to cabrammatta, try and walk down the street while members of the 5T follow you because your white, go into Lakemba and see the communities that they chose to live in.
See i dont have nay problem with people who are grafters esp the polish, the other bludgers need to get out of the country, like good old Johnny Howard said " if you cant be bothered to learn english and learn our laws, your not welcome in our country"



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 06:32 AM
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The OP is living in cloud cookoo land if he thinks David Cameron and Co will ever do anything about immigration,the only reason Cameron and Co are even talking about this is becuase he knows that the still majority indeginous brits are at boiling point and are close to being tipped over the edge,the goverment is so out of touch with reality and what the common person goes through that they have failed miserably to keep any of thier promise's that got them elected,the only promise the conservatives kept was to increase and ringfence foreign aid,money that mostly goes to 3rd world islamic terrorist supporting hellholes or its goes to countries such as india and china that have more money than us and have nuclear weapons and space programs,this angers me and people like me are called racist,the whole of the uk us cutting services left, right and centre,we have no money,the money we give away is money that has been borrowed and must be paid back with intrest all at the publics expense,that angers me.immigration wont stop and what realy annoys me is that the media have spun it and is making out that its eastern europeans that is angering us when in fact its mostly 3rd worlders that cant speak english,have 5 kids and no education and dont want to assimilate ,we are told we need them or our economy buckle

this is all part of the divide and conquer to break nations up,id see the point if when my country got immigrants we actualy got decent people that we need,but thats the main point we dont,we get the worlds sick,the worlds dregs,the worlds criminals,the world extremists,the worlds rapists or just plain scroungers that contribute nothing

The only people who will stand up and get the uk back on track is the bnp and i know for a fact that no one can find any evidence that proves the bnp is a racist party,the bnp is attacked for telling the truth and over the last 10 years has pointed out everything thats wrong with the uk and how to fix it but the corrupt government and media get away with telling lies about them,americans will know how corrupt goverments and media operate over the pond

www.bnp.org.uk you will find out the truth why the goverment and media hate the bnp



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 06:36 AM
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Spot the aussie ! , the people living in australia are australians !
or do you mean spot the white people !
Aye very clever man , Im all for people coming to work and live here if they can speak english , that means they can at least integrate with us native english speaking citizens if they so choose.
As for abiding by our laws , how many native english speaking , britains abide by our laws ?



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 06:38 AM
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we hate the BNP because their constituents attack members of public in the streets , and are scared of people with different skin colour than their own white skin !

they are phenophobics , fear of the appearance of other human beings , Yes i made that up!

but still what political party gets their constituents into fights on the street , spitting and punching people !



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 06:40 AM
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We have to stop mass immigration whether people like it or not for a number of hidden reasons that are eroding our stability and prosperity.

The strength behind any country is how its infrastructure functions for the benefit of its citizens.

It should be remembered that only the 3rd or fourth son of the landed gentry of this country went into politics, the first ran the house and its infrastructure.

Ours is crumbling under the strain of too many people and investment which has never reflected the numbers of people actually using it. Don't forget the infrastructure holds up every part of our lives, drains, libraries, roads, hospitals etc etc etc.

Today we have huge amounts of foreign workers, who are surplus to the jobs we have for their skills. Many have skills that are highly questionable also eg shop assistants who can't speak understandable English to surgeons who have never been assessed for the jobs they do and end up harming someone.

One fault lies today with our Government's education minister who controlls and directs the Apprentice training colleges that are not turning out today, our qualified craftsmen and are actually cheating our youngsters who want a trade. (Its not the fault of the lecturers this is a policy from government).

Proof elder son left college after studying full-time and could plumb in anything, went straight into work proud of his accomplishment. Younger son, 7 years later went to the same college, same course and also lecturers who training his brother. Came out after 1 year's full time training , BUT with only paperwork to show - no actual physical plumbing training and was expected to get a working plumber to teach him how to plumb - then more money out to the college who would peek at his on-site work a couple of times and give him his qualifications.

Someone is responsible for deliberately enacting a policy to destroy our youngsters opportunities and self-esteem. Its not the same across the board, but our universities receive their complaints about the low calibre of degree awarded which doesn't help our kids walk into jobs after their hard work, it actually cheats them and that's across the board..

We also have loopholes that drain millions out of the infrastructure by earnings and worse also unearned benefits being paid to people in other countries and spent on their infrastructures. Geniune disabled people here are now being refused care benefits they have paid for and are entitled to, whilst people abroad are getting these benefits yet cannot be checked as to their eligibility.

Cheap immigrant labour which takes employment away from the indigenous labur force was raised by a women in the audience of last nights Question Time on tv. It was blythely stepped over and buried despite the fact in many areas, its killing our tradesmen especially on site where contracts are awarded, but then subbed away till you can't get to who is paying the wages, except hear the foreign languages being spoken on the site.

Old Johnny 2 jags Prescott was linked to a business who employed overseas workers on less than the minimum wage. Itinerant workers don't put into the infrastructure they usually earn too little (their exploitation is for another thread) however they do use the services the infrastructure provides, benefits, health care, schooling. Its as though a deliberate policy is being enacted which makes huge profits for some regardless of the fact they are crippling the men and women who live here raising their families are paying into the infrastructure and the true cost of living here.

Our legislation has been deliberately manipulated to stop people complaining about a lot of things due to the anti-semetism and racism card and we should all not allow ourselves to be trapped into silence.

We are now also suffering a brain drain because people see their opportunities diminishing and things like fewer jobs and unfair promotions for immigrants taking place don't help.

I suspect the nature and location of The Britain Isles or England if necessary for some, is unique because we are one nation that does not fit into the mass identifiable ethnic groups such as Latins, Finno Ugrians, Slavs, Teutons, Asians, Arabs, Alpine, black and any other mass groups etc
I can only speak for myself, I don't look at others to see their colour, original race,size whatever, I am interested in their attitude.

We as a nation are all being fleeced regardless of ethnic origin by big business men, financed by our institutions like the banks who merely want big profits usually gained by cheap labour, regardless of the cost to the country. We could stop this overnight by making our embassies abroad do the job of assessing anyone before they set foot here. Geniune applicants would probably appreciate being able to walk straight into this country and get on with their lives, rather than the tap on the shoulder. We would also know they are people legally helping us build a better home for ourselves.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 06:42 AM
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There is definately an element of truth in much of what you have said, however, it is noticeable that you, like so many, refuse to apportion any blame whatsoever on recent immigration policies and immigrants themselves.
It is as if people are so determined to prove to the world that they aren't racists that they refuse to acknowledge any problems with people of a different race and apportion blame for all the world's ill's on those evil, white European's....and it's complete and utter bollocks!

Me?
I'm quite comfortable with who and what I am, and those that matter know how ridiculous it is when I am called a racist, as I have been on occassion here on ATS.
Facts sometimes speak far louder and truer than words.

As for water levels I was speaking about the UK in general.
All though I am a proud Englshman I am also proud of The Union...we should concentrate more on that which unites us rather than that which divides.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by P3ACE0WAR
What defines English?

'England', (and thus the 'English') was named after the ethnic group who settled the land - the Angles. The Angles were a Germanic Danish tribe and upon uniting with the Saxon, Jute and other minor tribes (of similar racial background) gave their name to the land that now belonged to them.

So yes, England does belong primarily to the English and the English happen to be a white, Germanic ethnic group.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 06:46 AM
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Maybe I should come to Britain and become a politician.

I have been saying this for a long time, as you will see if you look at my threads.

What I have been saying is this -

Do not invite foreigners into your country and then object to their beliefs and practices.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 07:01 AM
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Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
Maybe I should come to Britain and become a politician.

I have been saying this for a long time, as you will see if you look at my threads.

What I have been saying is this -

Do not invite foreigners into your country and then object to their beliefs and practices.


But who asked them to bring their beliefs and practices with them?

I certainly didn't....

When i was in the Internet cafe the other week, i happened to get a Burqa clad muslim sit right next to me.... i took a peak at her Resume (which she was about to send off somewhere) and what is it she studied? 'Islamic Law'... now i wonder why she has studied that topic? It's only of use back in an Islamic Country..... unless of course......



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 07:20 AM
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I'll add my stone to this conversation

he do not wish those immigrant leave the country it is quite the opposite...
he needs them to run the country, buy, consume, he needs them to win his election

there is only the lazy idiots who imagine that a country can run only with them

an example

France's

Economic and budgetary impact of immigration

1_According to the first annual report of the European Commission on migration and integration 23, it is difficult to obtain a reliable estimate of the net fiscal contribution of immigrants, although immigrants are subject to the same tax obligations as the French

what those mean immigrant pay same taxes so put out the immigrant and no more money... think about it

2_The OECD estimates that immigrants play a crucial role in long-term economic growth and calls on countries not to close their borders, even in times of crisis.

if the immigrants was not in france actualy the situation will be a nightmare.

3_Gerard Noiriel indicates in his book Le Creuset French (published in 1988, updated in 2006), based in particular on the work of Georges Mauco (1977), that immigrants have since the Second World War built 90 % of French motorways, machine a week, and housing

4_Studies Laulan Yves-Marie, Jacques Bichot and Maurice Allais indicate that immigration is overwhelmingly on the immigrants themselves, and employers who benefit from the presence of unskilled immigrants (sometimes unreported). Costs could be slightly higher for unskilled native who compete with immigrants. However, immigrants often fill jobs that natives refuse to accept. Several thousand jobs in construction or hospitality and catering vacancies remain particularly

so native don't want to clean there own street,cameron is happy when an immigrant do it

5_Conversely, according to Joseph Alfred Grinblat, Ph.D. in economics from Princeton University and long head of the Population Division of the United Nations, "an objective analysis shows that immigration, including illegal, has mostly positive consequences for development of recipient countries "and could" reverse the decline of populations "including the European Union,"but not their age "
A study by researchers at the University of Lille, under the direction of Professor Xavier Chojnicki, and on behalf of the Ministry of Social Affairs, immigrants receive state 47.9 billion euros and shall repay 60.3 billion is a positive balance of 12.4 billion euros.


so people please do your homework... don't be fooled by politician who think only about themself, divide and conquer.

i'm a human and i live with others human i never think i m supperior to othere because i have a type of skin color , hatred only shows one thing the ignorance stupidity and lack of common sense and this is the case of Sarkozy and Cameron, they create hatred

sorry the link it's in french translat if you want learn more
immigrant in france




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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 07:20 AM
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But of course they will bring their beliefs and practices.

I rwemember trying to get into Britain when I had been coming and going and having a lot of trouble, even though I have British family.

It used to be too difficult.

Now it is too easy.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
Do not invite foreigners into your country and then object to their beliefs and practices.

But the key point here is that... we didn't!

The average Englishman did not request mass-immigration or multiculturalism and we've certainly never voted for it. It has been foistered upon us by a conspiring political establishment who have a long-term agenda. They've done it slowly, whilst simultaneously programming reasonable opponents to feel 'dirty'. Thus now most of us are so brainwashed and distracted (a deliberate plan which says nothing about the resolve of the English) that we assume someone, somewhere must have voted for mass-immigration on our behalf... or why the hell would politicians be changing our nation beyond all recognition?!?!

Racial and cultural issues aside for a moment, the greatest crime is that we never voted for this. That's why I laugh when so-called liberals go on the attack when anyone questions multiculturalism. If you're so damn liberal and enlightened, why do you support the rights of politicians to completely alter a nation without giving the people their righteous liberty in having a say on it! Even if you're as pro-multicult as they come, surely you must see that people should have been able to choose it democratically.

Mass-immigration and multiculturalism should only have been allowed to happen naturally, not by fascist, non-democratic means as they have done. I don't want multiculturalism, but if we'd voted for it, democratically, I'd accept that it was the people's will. But telling people it must be accepted just because "multiculturalism is right and you're a racist if you argue with me" is the polar opposite to freedom and democracy. If you think that way, you're a fascist!

And in closing, England was named after the ethnic group(s) who founded it. So yes, it is owned by the ethnic English. That's not to say we're superior, or that non-English are not allowed to be here with the same civil liberties and opportunities. But if immigrants would respectfully acknowledge that they are guests here we'd all be a lot happier. That's what I'd do if I emigrated ANYWHERE - and that's the honest truth. It's about respect for culture, folk and their ancestors.
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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 07:26 AM
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Some good points. there are many positive aspects to immigration that unfortunately will be lost in this debate. I agree we obviously have problems in the UK but it is always dangerous to throw the baby out with the bath water. Just my 2 pence



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 07:29 AM
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That's what I'd do if I emigrated ANYWHERE - and that's the honest truth. It's about respect for culture, folk and their ancestors.


i don't want a be mean but do the english has respect the indian people when they colonise them do they respect the ancestors... and it's the same for france, italy, germany...

this so easy to blame but no one learn from history that is our big problem.

you can turn the picture in every side but in the final you will have the same picture.

but we have to find someone to blame when things go wrong.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by pitchdragon
i don't want a be mean but do the english has respect the indian people when they colonise them do they respect the ancestors... and it's the same for france, italy, germany...

On the whole, it wasn't the true English who colonised the Indian people - they were British Imperialists at best, New World Order elites at worst. I don't hold the view that the general English population are to blame for the Empire. The Empire was essentially state-sanctioned capitalism. The colonisers were the wealthy elite from Britain, traitors to the good name of England, and they did what they did for their own gain, not for the benefit of England. I can proudly say I know of no ancestors of mine who were British Imperialists and I will not take blame for what those greedy traitors did.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 07:35 AM
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I have no issues with anyone here.

But I am pointing out the obvious.

Your government invited foreigners in in huge numbers.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 07:36 AM
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and nobody will tallk about that because this is not on the agenda, and if people do not want to see it they will not see it, now they talk only about negativity, and why they dress like this, and why the do that, but never about the economic impact and when they do it is for saying they still our jobs the same jobs they don't want do it... but i will say to those people, how will they do without all this immigrant to clean there rubbish... they are so smart to criticize but how do they make there country run...



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