Trump sends investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama !!

reply to post by SourGrapes


Or maybe his father was a U.S. Citizen, just not the father everyone thinks he is.............ever thought about that one?

Yep, like Corsi, Taitz, Keyes and the rest, Trump is now following (or shall I say playing the part of a birther) into the aimless birther path claiming he'll get to the bottom of the kenyan socialist, and then he'll find nothing.

But hey, birthers like to be broken records, that's fine, don't know what that's going to do for their 2012 chances. Neither do I believe Trump is all that serious,

Originally posted by AndrewJay
You cant lead a nation when you're being questioned by your people and he should see that in itself as good enough reason to just show the BC.

This is where you're wrong. You can lead a nation when you are questioned by the people. This is part of the job. Let me use an analogy for you, parents. Parents do not give in to their child's demands for evidence of their income. Why do they not answer? Because its a non issue. They have a home, food, clothes and all necessities for living. The mortgage is paid on time, the bills, and they are gainfully employed. Children do not call the shots.

When you start creating laws, deploying troops, balancing budgets, engage in foreign policies which hang in the balance of the constant threat of war of malevolent nations against you, this silliness isn't even considered.

reply to post by backinblack


Well, I lived one street over from them when I lived in Honolulu back in the late 60's, early 70's. Does that count for anything at all? Maybe I even worked for his doctor, maybe his doctor is deceased.

Originally posted by AndrewJay

 

Like Ive said before in this thread, Id love to see him run with Jess Ventura. What say you if Trump chose him as his running mate or vice versa though? I like Trump. I like the way he thinks and I think he's a great alternative to Paul. The question in my mind is he for our country or is he for himself? Hes a business man (obviously) and whos to say he doesnt sell out just as easily as he speaks against that which has killed our economy to date?

That is the big question with Trump. What is his motivation. I tell myself that even if it is selfish reasons, it is still better to have him compared to a puppet with many corporate handlers. Both ways are bad, but I prefer one selfish corporate man over many selfish corporate men controlling one puppet.

I do love Ventura. I don't think he is the sharpest pencil in the box, but I think he finds a way to compensate for that with good advisors and good leadership qualities. He would be a good addition to a Paul or Trump ticket..

As for Alex Jones I still find myself having to defend this man in almost every thread I post in here. Always I ask the question why is this man so bad? Because he shows his emotion on air? Because he attempts to sell gold and places ads on his broadcast to fund his show? I simply cannot understand how or why this man is so hated when he brings so much truth to those that wouldnt have it without him..... and how does it discredit Paul by going on his show? Please explain this to me once and for all.

Honestly, i have only heard a few snippets of AJs shows. My opinion is largely colored by the opinion of ATS, especially the other staff on ATS. He seems overly dramatic and not believeable for me. It is a mistake for a legitimate candidate like Paul to associate with a show like that. It will get him the fringe vote and lose him the mainstream vote.

People that are not famililar with the AJ show will see it as a conspiracy loony-bin show and Paul will be guilty by association. It isn't necessarily correct, because those same people probably love Glenn Beck, and he is just a more dressed up version of AJ and routinely steals AJs work.

Still, if Paul went on a mainstream show like Beck, it would help his credibility whereas AJ shoots it in the arse.

Take my parents and in-laws for example.
Both voted for McCain, and love Palin. Neither has probably ever heard of AJ, but if they saw some snippet from the opposition of Paul on a conspiracy web show, they would never give him a second thought. His politics are lightyears better than Palins, but they would never know that, because of his superflous affiliations. The same can be said for the graffiti campaign and the t-shirts. Mainstream conservatives are turned off by that stuff, and it really isn't a good representation of what Paul stands for.

Originally posted by FlySolo

Originally posted by AndrewJay
You cant lead a nation when you're being questioned by your people and he should see that in itself as good enough reason to just show the BC.

This is where you're wrong. You can lead a nation when you are questioned by the people. This is part of the job. Let me use an analogy for you, parents. Parents do not give in to their child's demands for evidence of their income. Why do they not answer? Because its a non issue. They have a home, food, clothes and all necessities for living. The mortgage is paid on time, the bills, and they are gainfully employed. Children do not call the shots.

When you start creating laws, deploying troops, balancing budgets, engage in foreign policies which hang in the balance of the constant threat of war of malevolent nations against you, then you can call the shots. Get it?

edit on 8-4-2011 by FlySolo because: (no reason given)

oh so the politicans of our nations are our adults then? they tells us what to do, when to eat, sleep and # yes? they are our masters and we should only be so lucky that they present boot to lick yes?

I thought that as long as your mom was born in the US that you would have dual
citizenship?

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

That's cool. Do you know how he stands on the issues that you're concerned with or do you just feel we need something so different than what we've had before that you're willing to take the chance with an extreme personality?

No, I don't just want to take a chance with another extreme personality. I did that with the unknown Obama, and it didn't work out so well.

What I like about Trump is his experience in buildng a highly qualified team around him, and his ability to take their advisement and then make sturdy decisions. I think he exhibits excellent leadership qualities.

What I worry about are his foreign policies. I am sure with his wealth he must have had international dealings and negotiations, so he is more qualified than Obama in that regard, but is he good enough for the problems we face?

In reality, I think the only thing extreme about Trump is his hair. Most people that have had dealings with him indicate he is intelligent, thoughtful, and thorough. Those are good qualities. His daughter also speaks volumes about him. She is no Paris Hilton. She is smart, humble, educated, and mature. If he is a good father, he has potential as a decent president.

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by CanadianDream420

 

LIke what? Why doesn't he tell us? How does anyone know that Obama spent $2 million in legal fees regarding his birth certificate?

Why should he have to? Because other people say? At what point does YOUR privacy matter? What's to stop me from demanding YOUR information?

The people he ran against were fine with him running, and they'd had the most vested interest in "outing" him. Birthers might not be racist, but they certainly LOOK racist and xenophobic.

Originally posted by getreadyalready

Originally posted by AndrewJay

 

Like Ive said before in this thread, Id love to see him run with Jess Ventura. What say you if Trump chose him as his running mate or vice versa though? I like Trump. I like the way he thinks and I think he's a great alternative to Paul. The question in my mind is he for our country or is he for himself? Hes a business man (obviously) and whos to say he doesnt sell out just as easily as he speaks against that which has killed our economy to date?

That is the big question with Trump. What is his motivation. I tell myself that even if it is selfish reasons, it is still better to have him compared to a puppet with many corporate handlers. Both ways are bad, but I prefer one selfish corporate man over many selfish corporate men controlling one puppet.

I do love Ventura. I don't think he is the sharpest pencil in the box, but I think he finds a way to compensate for that with good advisors and good leadership qualities. He would be a good addition to a Paul or Trump ticket..

As for Alex Jones I still find myself having to defend this man in almost every thread I post in here. Always I ask the question why is this man so bad? Because he shows his emotion on air? Because he attempts to sell gold and places ads on his broadcast to fund his show? I simply cannot understand how or why this man is so hated when he brings so much truth to those that wouldnt have it without him..... and how does it discredit Paul by going on his show? Please explain this to me once and for all.

Honestly, i have only heard a few snippets of AJs shows. My opinion is largely colored by the opinion of ATS, especially the other staff on ATS. He seems overly dramatic and not believeable for me. It is a mistake for a legitimate candidate like Paul to associate with a show like that. It will get him the fringe vote and lose him the mainstream vote.

People that are not famililar with the AJ show will see it as a conspiracy loony-bin show and Paul will be guilty by association. It isn't necessarily correct, because those same people probably love Glenn Beck, and he is just a more dressed up version of AJ and routinely steals AJs work.

Still, if Paul went on a mainstream show like Beck, it would help his credibility whereas AJ shoots it in the arse.

Take my parents and in-laws for example.
Both voted for McCain, and love Palin. Neither has probably ever heard of AJ, but if they saw some snippet from the opposition of Paul on a conspiracy web show, they would never give him a second thought. His politics are lightyears better than Palins, but they would never know that, because of his superflous affiliations. The same can be said for the graffiti campaign and the t-shirts. Mainstream conservatives are turned off by that stuff, and it really isn't a good representation of what Paul stands for.

While I thank you for your thought out response, I would like for you to actually listen to the show before writing him off as an insane conspiracy theorist. There is no speak of aliens, outlandish ideas or honestly, anything else of that sort. Everything the man speaks about has been linked with fact and has its sources. Msm (who refuse to even mention his name) and the wonderful folks here at ATS (who have yet to even give me 1 valid reason as to why they hate him) paint this image of him running around spewing 'crazy talk' ranting at every opportunity, yet neither take the time to understand the message he attempts to portray.

Speaking ignorantly on a subject is never a good way to hold an arguement even if the brush has been thoroughly dipped in hatred.... nor would it be acceptable if it was a race related subject or the like, so why now? Beck on the other hand has lost his ratings and Fox has failed at its attempt to 'spin' the truth. I hold no sympathy for Beck and I honestly hope he does well with the next ORDERS given to him.

Ron Paul may not be a leader, but then again he's never had the opportunity to show he's capable of being one. To debate an arguement based simply on one's oppinion is never wise. Would Paul be a good leader? He seems to have enough fight in him to keep trying doesnt he?

All Im asking is that you look at all angles before saying this or that. If you want to say Alex Jones is a nutcase thats your right to do so... but please atleast be educated on the subject before hand. Without so you are no better than the family you speak of.

Originally posted by AndrewJay

oh so the politicans of our nations are our adults then? they tells us what to do, when to eat, sleep and # yes? they are our masters and we should only be so lucky that they present boot to lick yes?

I think if you were honest with yourself you would admit you're exaggerating a little bit don't you think?
In answer to your question though, yes. Without that, then all the wee adults of the nation, no matter how democratic we are as a society, would flail helplessly. Nothing would ever get done. Now, I'm not saying never to question the government or authoritative figures, but question them with a true, deeper, inquisitive mind.

Even if Obama really never was born in the US, its too late. It really is a moot point by now. You must move forward forward forward...

Allowing one's self to get hung up on minor sticking points will never resolve the bigger picture.

Originally posted by AndrewJay

Ron Paul may not be a leader, but then again he's never had the opportunity to show he's capable of being one. To debate an arguement based simply on one's oppinion is never wise. Would Paul be a good leader? He seems to have enough fight in him to keep trying doesnt he?

The reason for this is airtime on prime time networks. There is a rule about debate candidates needing an X amount of airtime before they can qualify. The game is already stacked. My guess is Trump won't even get the airtime.

Originally posted by FlySolo

Originally posted by AndrewJay

oh so the politicans of our nations are our adults then? they tells us what to do, when to eat, sleep and # yes? they are our masters and we should only be so lucky that they present boot to lick yes?

I think if you were honest with yourself you would admit you're exaggerating a little bit don't you think?
In answer to your question though, yes. Without that, then all the wee adults of the nation, no matter how democratic we are as a society, would flail helplessly. Nothing would ever get done. Now, I'm not saying never to question the government or authoritative figures, but question them with a true, deeper, inquisitive mind.

Even if Obama really never was born in the US, its too late. It really is a moot point by now. You must move forward forward forward...

Allowing one's self to get hung up on minor sticking points will never resolve the bigger picture.

Right. Well this government that we speak of was created BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE and it is a crime for that man to hold office if he was not born in this country. There is no KING or DON CORLEONE that we must bow down on our knees to kiss thy ring. Obama should already be impeached for going to war without congress. So am I exaggerating? Maybe. To a point. But honestly, its not far off from where were at.

This isnt England. This isnt Rome. This is the United States of America and we are a FREE people. If our "leaders" refuse to follow the constitution they need to be thrown out of power BY THE PEOPLE. period.

reply to post by grahag


I am asking why doesn't Mr. Trump tell us what his "investigators" are finding? I want to know.

Originally posted by grahag

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by CanadianDream420

 

LIke what? Why doesn't he tell us? How does anyone know that Obama spent $2 million in legal fees regarding his birth certificate?

Why should he have to? Because other people say? At what point does YOUR privacy matter? What's to stop me from demanding YOUR information?

The people he ran against were fine with him running, and they'd had the most vested interest in "outing" him. Birthers might not be racist, but they certainly LOOK racist and xenophobic.

OH DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT PRIVACY NOW?! OKAY GEORGE! Yes, lets talk about privacy. Lets talk about Obama's privacy.

So you're telling me we need to fight for Obama's right to privacy while he renews the Patriot act..... that basically spies on every person in this country? The Patriot Act that is in itself HIGHLY unconstitutional? And now we're worried about HIS privacy?

Let me just say.... L M F A O


Oh but its okay though. He should have his privacy because we're all RACIST! Yes, we're ALL racist against the black man in office! OMG give him the moon because we're so RACIST!

What a joke.

reply to post by DCPatriot


Ok, so what happens when all is done, and the "long form" is produced and Obama was born in Hawaii, then what? What will the birthers want next?

Bottom line is Trump has enough popularity to get votes even if the birther movement is totaly proven fake.But thier is enough doubt that people will believe it anyways.I think He was born in Hawaii from what I invesigated on the internet.What if a president did get away with something like this.They are gonna require future presidents to show they are born in the U.S.in the future now because of this.

reply to post by AndrewJay


I was trying to be honest in my post, and fully admit that I don't have a personally formed opinion of AJ.

However, that really is immaterial, because the subject was Ron Paul's campaign, and the fact is that AJ has the reputation that he has. He is a liability for RP not an asset. There is very little to gain by associating with him, but there is a lot to lose.

I promise to watch or listen to some AJ and form my own opinion, but my point was really that Beck and AJ are equal in quality, but Beck gains a lot of voters whereas AJ loses a lot of voters!

I understand you defense of AJ, but can you honestly say that it is beneficial to Ron Paul to hang his campaign hopes on AJ fans?

On the note of leadership, the debacle that was Ron Paul's campaign shows me a lack of control on his part. He should take charge and run a real campaign. He has the resume, he has the perfect platform, he has the intelligence, he just needs to take charge and actually do it, and stop letting a bunch of college kids and conspiracy theorists railroad him down the wrong path.

Here is what this lawyer argues about the case www.israelnationalnews.com...

Honestly I think Obama purposely is not showing evidence that He was born in Hawaii just so he can poke fun and win votes on the left.Kinda dangerous to make the right wing look silly if you ask me.Should just show it anyways so people will stop going on about it.Obama clearly plays good politics but He is horrible at leadership.