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My first issues with the Bible.

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posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 09:44 AM
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The idea that we are about to meet the little green men who made all of this, (and yet they have to fly around in ships) is bogus.


Why is it people say always say "little green men?" Does the words, "Created in their image" mean anything at all to you? Now there are these little blue guys, they look like the Jack of Diamonds in a deck of playing cards. For your information, friend, the majority of ET Being in this sector look pretty much like you and I look. Humanoid, and bi-pedal, 5 senses, same digestive system. Much higher vibrations.




posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 09:44 AM
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See, even science can be dogmatic, we have proof of that in cosmology. The old model, something didn't add up right, they just made # up to make it fit into the puzzle. Dark matter is not even proven, it was just made up to try and explain away things that didn't fit into the old model. That is the same as godding the gaps.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 09:47 AM
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Speaking of God and Lord God

These are two separate entities....that's why they are catergorized as such. If you apply the Ancient Alien theory, aliens were called gods, not out of confusion but that was the terminology used to refer to extraterrestrials.

When you read the bible, you will note that God and Lord God have had conversations, appear in separate places, and actions are described from both of them at the same time. Lord God (Enlil) the ruthless god and God (Enki) the more sympathetic god (our creator god) and was commonly referred to as a serpent

Serpent could mean reptillian or snake, as in traitor.

Traitor because he went 'astray' from the plan for the Earth mission; they were to fashion slaves in their likings but to keep us dumb so that we remained slaves, and Lucifer wanted to enlighten us
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posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by Shavuotis
 



The idea that we are about to meet the little green men who made all of this, (and yet they have to fly around in ships) is bogus.


Why is it people say always say "little green men?" Does the words, "Created in their image" mean anything at all to you? Now there are these little blue guys, they look like the Jack of Diamonds in a deck of playing cards. For your information, friend, the majority of ET Being in this sector look pretty much like you and I look. Humanoid, and bi-pedal, 5 senses, same digestive system. Much higher vibrations.



I run into this problem all the time

When I talk about the ancient alien theory, they say "we don't look like aliens"

They only imagine Stephen Spielberg's E.T. or aliens from cartoons.

When mankind steps foot on martian soil, or even on the moon, WE ARE ALIENS



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by ButterCookie
Speaking of God and Lord God

These are two separate entities....that's why they are catergorized as such. If you apply the Ancient Alien theory, aliens were called gods, not out of confusion but that was the terminology used to refer to extraterrestrials.

When you read the bible, you will note that God and Lord God have had conversations, appear in separate places, and actions are described from both of them at the same time. Lord God (Enlil) the ruthless god and God (Enki) the more sympathetic god (our creator god) and was commonly referred to as a serpent

Serpent could mean reptillian or snake, as in traitor.

Traitor because he went 'astray' from the plan for the Earth mission; they were to fashion slaves in their likings but to keep us dumb so that we remained slaves, and Lucifer wanted to enlighten us
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I cannot believe this crap i am hearing over and over about elohim being an alien!!!!

The lord God is GOD, he is lord, over all things, He is the Lord your God, Lord God almighty reigns.


Satan was refered to as Lucifer before his pride and atempt to take Gods throne, He was the apointed cherub, In charge of lead worship and praise before the The Lord God



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 10:12 AM
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Why specify by stating Lord God, if only one god?

And isn't Lord a rank?



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 10:14 AM
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That's the thing about religion, you can't prove god is what you say, he can't prove god is an alien, at least not yet. It is interpreting the same exact words in a different way. 10 people read the bible, you get 10 different interpretations of the same words.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by autowrench
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Sin is a disease


Who told you that? You had better be careful, here is Who Sin really is:

Oxford Dictionary of World Mythology:Sin

The moon god of Ur and first son of Enlil, the Sumerian god of earth and air. As ‘lord of the calendar’, his cult exhibited monotheistic tendencies, since it was Sin ‘who determines the destinies of distant days’ and whose ‘plans no god knows’. According to Genesis, Abraham hailed from Ur by way of Harran, both cities devoted to the moon god. In Arabia, Sin was also worshipped under various titles and it is likely that Mount Sinai, first mentioned in Hebrew texts about 1000 BC, was connected with moon-worship. Other names for Sin were Suen and Nanna. Addressed in prayer as ‘perfect in lordiness’, Sin was associated with fertility, ‘lord of the cowherders’, the nether world, and kingship. A myth of Nanna's wooing of Ningal, the mother of goddess Inanna, relates how the god is repulsed until he has filled the rivers with the early flood, made the grain grow in the field, and caused fishes to be in the marshes, reeds along the banks of rivers, stags in the forest, plants in the desert, honey and wine in the orchards, cress in the garden, and long life in the palace. Only when all this bounty occurs is Ningal prepared to come and live with Nanna in his lofty dwelling on top of the ziggurat in Ur.
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"Sin" relates directly to Inanna, the Annunaki Queen. Many say the Annunaki are returning to Earth, and will be here soon. So I wouldn't go around insulting them. Just a word of advice. Can you see this? The Church again, anything not of their agenda got a bad reputation and an evil label.


Im sorry mate but your a nut Job lol, The return of the annunaki and thier queen? the church is a bunch of draconians? and God is a reptile? bahahah Thats the most LOL i can take.

Read the bible man, And do us a favour, Unless you have read the bible, and understand its truth, You cannot say it does not have truth to it, I bet There is like 2 People here, that have read it fully, page to page.

Btw did you also know the sumerians made towers to get higher to the heavens so they can worship the stars and practice astrology?
Did you know why God destroyed thier nation and sent man with his own dialect and familys? because mans heart was wicked when they united together to create thier own destiny, And not the one God has destined.

Sin relates to exactly what it means, Being separated from God, When man sinned, He was sent away from God.

Didnt you know that the Prince of the air? The Ruler of this earth is Satan? and he fell here before man was even concieved, How do you think he got into the garden of eden?

He has thousands, Maybe millions of years to plan religious fictations, and doctrines that he would use to poison the minds of man, And claim souls into his kingdom which is hell



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 10:21 AM
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Hardcore athiests say the same thing about anyone that puts any faith in the bible at all... Nutjobs and idiots, anyone that believes in magical fairytales!

Oh on another sidenote... If god wiped the world out, save but a few people on an ark, where did the other religions come from? I would think they would be passing down this knowledge through the generations, and no one would dare go against such a god that would drown them all for believing in other gods.
edit on Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:23:22 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by autowrench
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Buttercookie. There is only one God,


Then how are all of the other Gods in the Bible to be explained then? The Bible is in no way an authority in regards to the Ancient Hebrew Gods, or Elohim. [They] are mentioned in the Bible nearly 2,000 times, but nearly all translators and Biblical scholar, for nearly 2,000 years, have either by mistake, or intentionally, chosen to convert them all into a singular "God" or combination of so called "divine names" that states that one Hebrew God made, and rules the universe.
Most Christians never see this, probably because they do not research their Bible.
The Gods Of The Bible




Actually There is only One God, One King, One creator, He is the alpha and the omega.
When you speak about the divine names he has in the word, each refers to that name as a personality of God.

Here is all 144


Names of God: A Way to Understand His Nature and Character
The Names of God used in the Bible act as a roadmap for learning about the character of God. Since the Bible is God's Word to us, the names He chooses in scripture are meant to reveal His true nature to us.

Names of God: His Titles Revealed in Scripture
"ELOHIM" (or Elohay) is the first name for God found in the Bible, and it's used throughout the Old Testament over 2,300 times. Elohim comes from the Hebrew root meaning "strength" or "power", and has the unusual characteristic of being plural in form. In Genesis 1:1, we read, "In the beginning Elohim created the heaven and the earth." Right from the start, this plural form for the name of God is used to describe the One God, a mystery that is uncovered throughout the rest of the Bible. Throughout scripture, Elohim is combined with other words to describe certain characteristics of God. Some examples: Elohay Kedem - God of the Beginning: (Deuteronomy 33:27). Elohay Mishpat - God Of Justice: (Isaiah 30:18). Elohay Selichot - God Of Forgiveness: (Nehemiah 9:17). Elohay Marom - God Of Heights: (Micah 6:6). Elohay Mikarov - God Who Is Near: (Jeremiah 23:23). Elohay Mauzi - God Of My Strength: (Psalm 43:2). Elohay Tehilati - God Of My Praise: (Psalm 109:1). Elohay Yishi - God Of My Salvation: (Psalm 18:46). Elohim Kedoshim - Holy God: (Leviticus 19:2, Joshua 24:19). Elohim Chaiyim - Living God: (Jeremiah 10:10). Elohay Elohim - God Of Gods: (Deuteronomy 10:17).

"EL" is another name used for God in the Bible, showing up about 200 times in the Old Testament. El is the simple form arising from Elohim, and is often combined with other words for descriptive emphasis. Some examples: El HaNe'eman - The Faithful God: (Deuteronomy 7:9). El HaGadol - The Great God: (Deuteronomy 10:17). El HaKadosh - The Holy God: (Isaiah 5:16). El Yisrael - The God Of Israel: (Psalm 68:35). El HaShamayim - The God Of The Heavens: (Psalm 136:26). El De'ot - The God Of Knowledge: (1 Samuel 2:3). El Emet - The God Of Truth: (Psalm 31:6). El Yeshuati - The God Of My Salvation: (Isaiah 12:2). El Elyon - The Most High God: (Genesis 14:18). Immanu El - God Is With Us: (Isaiah 7:14). El Olam - The God Of Eternity (Genesis 21:33). El Echad - The One God: (Malachi 2:10). "ELAH" is another name for God, used about 70 times in the Old Testament. Again, when combined with other words, we see different attributes of God. Some examples: Elah Yerush'lem - God of Jerusalem: (Ezra 7:19). Elah Yisrael - God of Israel: (Ezra 5:1). Elah Sh'maya - God of Heaven: (Ezra 7:23). Elah Sh'maya V'Arah - God of Heaven and Earth: (Ezra 5:11).

"YHVH" is the Hebrew word that translates as "LORD". Found more often in the Old Testament than any other name for God (approximately 7,000 times), the title is also referred to as the "Tetragrammaton," meaning the "The Four Letters". YHVH comes from the Hebrew verb "to be" and is the special name that God revealed to Moses at the burning bush. "And God said to Moses, 'I AM WHO I AM; and He said, thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, I AM has sent me to you... this is My eternal name, and this is how I am to be recalled for all generations'" (Exodus 3:14-15). Therefore, YHVH declares God's absolute being - the source of everything, without beginning and without end. Although some pronounce YHVH as "Jehovah" or "Yaweh," scholars really don't know the proper pronunciation. The Jews stopped pronouncing this name by about 200 A.D., out of fear of breaking the commandment "You shall not take the name of YHVH your God in vain" (Exodus 20:7). (Today's rabbis typically use "Adonai" in place of YHVH.) Here are some examples of YHVH used in scripture: YHVH Elohim - LORD God: (Genesis 2:4). YHVH M'kadesh - The LORD Who Makes Holy: (Ezekiel 37:28). YHVH Yireh - The LORD Who Sees/provides: (Genesis 22:14). YHVH Nissi - The LORD My Banner: (Exodus 17:15). YHVH Shalom - The LORD Of Peace: (Judges 6:24). YHVH Tzidkaynu - The LORD Our Righteousness: (Jeremiah 33:16). YHVH O'saynu - The LORD our Maker: (Psalm 95:6).

Names of God: The Lord Revealed in YHVH is the Lord Revealed in Yeshua (Jesus)
The LORD who revealed Himself as YHVH in the Old Testament is revealed as Yeshua (Jesus) in the New Testament. Jesus shares the same attributes as YHVH and clearly claims to be YHVH. In John 8:56-9, Jesus presents himself as the "I AM." When challenged by some Jewish leaders regarding His claim of seeing Abraham (who lived some 2000 years earlier), Jesus replied, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM." Those Jewish leaders understood that Jesus was claiming to be YHVH. This is clearly established when they tried to stone Him to death for what they considered blasphemy under Jewish Law. In Romans 10:9, Paul declares, "if you confess with your mouth Yeshua as LORD... you shall be saved." Immediately thereafter, in Romans 10:13, Paul backs up this declaration by quoting the Old Testament, "Whoever will call upon the name of the LORD (YHVH) will be saved" (Joel 2:32). Calling on Yeshua (Jesus) as Lord is the same as calling Him YHVH, because Yeshua (Jesus) is YHVH (LORD), the Messiah foretold throughout the entire Old Testament.


www.allaboutgod.com... Referance


One God, Many differant Names, One creator, One true God. Every other Gods are false idols.
As for satan he is the lesser diety of earth, Its ruler



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 10:35 AM
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Serpent could mean reptillian or snake, as in traitor. Traitor because he went 'astray' from the plan for the Earth mission; they were to fashion slaves in their likings but to keep us dumb so that we remained slaves, and Lucifer wanted to enlighten us


Right on! I have often thought this. People tell me Lucifer is the Father of all lies, and the Devil, and is the enemy of God almighty, etc, etc. I have read the Bible, in fact, several of them. I even have a copy of the Koran, and the Kabbalah. I have never read of one instance when Lucifer/Satan harmed, lied to, killed, or stole from even one human being. In the Edin (correct spelling) story, the Serpent "deceives" Eve, and uses his wiles to get her to eat from the Tree. I don't see it that way at all. The "Tree" they are talking about I believe is the Lotus Plant.

Lotus - plant profile Names Lotus, sacred lotus, Indian lotus, Chinese water lily, Egyptian bean (English) Kanwal, kamal (Hindi) Ambuja, padma, pankaja, kamala (Sanskrit) Padma (Bengal) Suriyakamal (Gujarat) Ambal, thamarai (Tamil) Botanical name: Nelumbo nucifera Family: Nelumbonaceae. Nelumbo is the only genus in this family.
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The Island of the Lotus Eaters

Psychedelia Past, Present and Future

In any case, the Serpent did not tell a lie, God did, in fact. God told Eve and Adam that they would Die if they ate from the tree. they ate, but did not die. who then is the liar here? Mankind was not made to be anything but a slave. Original man, the Adama, could not interbreed, could not even communicate with each other. I believe it was Inanna, and Thoth who brought knowledge to man/womankind with the ME devices, which I take to be computers of some kind, digital storage devices. All roads lead to Ancient Sumer.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
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Hardcore athiests say the same thing about anyone that puts any faith in the bible at all... Nutjobs and idiots, anyone that believes in magical fairytales!

Oh on another sidenote... If god wiped the world out, save but a few people on an ark, where did the other religions come from? I would think they would be passing down this knowledge through the generations, and no one would dare go against such a god that would drown them all for believing in other gods.
edit on Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:23:22 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)



Magical
Not magical, But Divine.
Theres no relation between the two.

read genesis and the story of the ark.
You would see it took noah hundreds of years to build, And what he was skitzofrenic>? that some voice told him make an ark and gave him the dimensions and right materials to use>

That hunderes of years later the flood would come and noah was to just ignore some voice that still speaks to use today?
Man if only we had such faith like noah did, The world would be a much more pleasant place to live.

God destroyed Man in the flood because God saw that mans hearts were only for wicked desires, and that they would never change, So he wiped them off the planet and started again with noah and his 3 sons and thier 3 wives.

In the Biblical view, the listed children of Japheth, Shem and Ham correspond to various historic nations and peoples. In the typical interpretation, these sons of Noah correspond to three races: European, Semitic, and African. Alternate divisions claim Euro-Asian Japhet, Semitic Shem, and Afro-Asian Ham

Ham, forefather of the southern peoples (Hamitic)
Shem, forefather of the middle peoples (Semitic)
Japheth, forefather of the northern peoples (Japhetic Eurasia)

Its all on wiki, you can read if you like


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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Yeah, Your fried buddy :/



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 10:45 AM
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So how can you explain that no documented human in the history of man has ever lived much over a hundred years? Especially in a good enough prime to build a giant ship?



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 10:45 AM
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I am not an atheist BTW, I am just pointing out you are having the same type of mentality. "I am right, everyone else is wrong, end of story." To them the divine is nonesense, made up magical tales, no different than the stories of zeus that were passed on as religion once upon a time.

That still doesn't explain why other religions popped up. If everyone but the people on the boat were wiped out by the flood, there would be only the one religion left. It would be passed down, and people wouldn't be making up other religions tempting god to wipe out humanity again. Seems logical no?



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by InnerstellarOne

Originally posted by TKDRL
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Hardcore athiests say the same thing about anyone that puts any faith in the bible at all... Nutjobs and idiots, anyone that believes in magical fairytales!

Oh on another sidenote... If god wiped the world out, save but a few people on an ark, where did the other religions come from? I would think they would be passing down this knowledge through the generations, and no one would dare go against such a god that would drown them all for believing in other gods.
edit on Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:23:22 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)



Magical
Not magical, But Divine.
Theres no relation between the two.

read genesis and the story of the ark.
You would see it took noah hundreds of years to build, And what he was skitzofrenic>? that some voice told him make an ark and gave him the dimensions and right materials to use>

That hunderes of years later the flood would come and noah was to just ignore some voice that still speaks to use today?
Man if only we had such faith like noah did, The world would be a much more pleasant place to live.

God destroyed Man in the flood because God saw that mans hearts were only for wicked desires, and that they would never change, So he wiped them off the planet and started again with noah and his 3 sons and thier 3 wives.

In the Biblical view, the listed children of Japheth, Shem and Ham correspond to various historic nations and peoples. In the typical interpretation, these sons of Noah correspond to three races: European, Semitic, and African. Alternate divisions claim Euro-Asian Japhet, Semitic Shem, and Afro-Asian Ham

Ham, forefather of the southern peoples (Hamitic)
Shem, forefather of the middle peoples (Semitic)
Japheth, forefather of the northern peoples (Japhetic Eurasia)

Its all on wiki, you can read if you like


en.wikipedia.org...


Divine, as in magical or advanced technology???



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 11:07 AM
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Divine as in The meaning being a direct act from God?

And again, If you read the bible you would understand Why people lived past 800 years of age.
Its all in the bible. you just need to read and it will be revealed



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 11:21 AM
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So, your explanation for no human in recorded history being over 800 years old is that the Bible says so?

I guess that divine influence is more powerful than logic and science, eh? I mean, does this mean that no one in our time has the grace of God that they be allowed to live much over a hundred? Why is it that the ONLY people who live this long are practically mythical in their legendary tales within the Bible?

If anything, it sounds like the kind of ballooning of a story that happens whenever anything amazing goes on. It goes from "the whole land flooded" to "the whole world was flooded" to "God flooded the world because of the misdeeds of man."

Just look at some of the American tales that proliferated before the education system became widespread. You've got giants, impossible shots, cherry trees, absolute infallibility, divine guidance, etc. And that only took a couple hundred years to become common knowledge. Imagine what happened to the Bible tales.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 11:35 AM
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CAN YOU GUYS AND GALS STOP DEBATING WHETHER GOD OR ALIENS MADE US ...IT DOESNT MATTER... EVENTUALLY WE WILL ALL BECOME THE GOD(S) OR ALIENS...AND THE LAST DAYS OF RELIGION WILL BE WHEN WHEN ALL THREE MONOLITHIC BELIEFS WILL UNITE AS ONE BELIEF ,THIS WILL BE RELIGION'S LAST STAND. WHICH IT LAST ...LET RELIGIOUS FREAKS LIVE IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN AND LET THE SCYFY CREEPS HOLD THERE BREATHS UNTIL ANNUNAKI CRAP RETURNS TO EARTH.(LOL)--------------- YOU GUYS ARE LIKE LITTLE GIRLS..



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 11:37 AM
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Sorry to break it to you, but this is a forum, discussion and debate will go on reguardless of capslock #fits tossed into the fray

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