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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:05 PM
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Look they said the water was completely boiled away and though power is restored they dont get water Some experts say this is not as bad as Chenobyl, but they could get at the reactor there. They have been storing 20 years worth of spent fuel there, it is going to be a Global event and way way worse than Chenobyl unless they get the reactor out.

And they can't get it out. That would take a miracle.




posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:05 PM
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U.S. asks citizens in 80-km radius of Japan nuke plant to evacuate


english.kyodonews.jp...



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:06 PM
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That's actually a very good point! Not all Geiger counters can measure alpha radiation (as produced by plutonium), but I believe dosimeters can. That could explain why the conflicting reports of low levels but worker exposure.

Does anyone know what kind of detectors are being used?

Also, I noticed in a post above that the test location was moved to the west gate because the readings were lower there? Hello?


TheRedneck



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
I know there are some who are 100% convinced that there is no stopping the "worst case"
But what if that is wrong?


Then everyone WINS and life goes on



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:07 PM
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Couldnt dropping huge quantities of clay on the plant seal it off, Im sure Ive heard of nuclear waste dumps having a clay lid.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:08 PM
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I've heard from an expert on CNN that the greatest threat from the exposed spent fuel rods in reactor #4 now said to have boiled off all water is GAMMA Radiation.

Someone who knows, isn't Gamma radiation the worst?

X-rays right?

This would make work at the plant, or plant area suicidal if the levels are extremely high correct?

The expert on CNN said there would be a massive bubble of gamma ray radiation over the reactor #4.

Within 50 to 100 yards= lethal exposure.

By the way, this kind of radiation is not spread about by winds, it just radiates out in all directions.

Secondary risk is from cesium-137 claims the expert...

If they can re-flood these rods soon, is it possible to remove this risk?

Redneck?


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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:12 PM
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Since God gave us a wonderful ozone layer filled with O3 to protect us from harmful solar radiation, would it be possible to learn from that idea and create an O3 shield around the nuclear sites which might filter the amount of radiation being released? I can see many complications but it seems with a little creativity it could be done.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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Maybe we could just ask God to fix it instead???

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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:14 PM
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I am believe me. I'm sure a lot of people are praying. At least I would hope so.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by Snappahead
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Maybe we could just ask God to fix it instead???


I think God is coming though, ones they get electric fixed problem solved. according to this..

The operator of Japan's tsunami-crippled nuclear plant says it has almost completed a new power line that could restore electricity to the complex and solve the crisis that has threatened a meltdown.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:17 PM
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Actually, I believe the threat to biological mechanisms is far worse with Alpha radiation. It is much more toxic to life than the others, but only when inhaled or ingested. It causes chromosomal damage, and in the case of ingestion, far worse than alpha or gamma as far toxicity. I think the worry from plutonium comes mainly if there is a large explosion, carrying it with the wind...and probably a threat of it entering the food chain as well...I haven't seen wild animals or fish that can protect themselves from inhaling or ingesting it. Having said this, I would think the far-reaching effects of this disaster may not be evidenced for some years to come.

Probably a second reason not to eat anymore seafood...it boggles the mind....1/3 of the sea poisoned...yeah, maybe.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:17 PM
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The NRC and the NNSA have teams who track how hazardous materials spread through the atmosphere, based on computer modeling and other methods. It was the NRC's revised analysis that led to today's advisory telling Americans to evacuate the area within 50 miles (80 kilometers) of the Fukushima reactors, or stay indoors if they can't get out of the area.

White House spokesman Jay Carney acknowledged that the NRC's advice goes far beyond what the Japanese government is telling its own citizens — that is, to keep indoors within a 19-mile (30-kilometer) radius of the plant.

cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com...



For what it's worth, the NRC calls for protective action when projected doses exceed 10 millisieverts (1 rem) or 50 millisieverts (5 rem) to the thyroid. Measurements at the damaged plants rose as high as 400 millisieverts.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:19 PM
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RT @cnnbrk: NRC chief: "We believe secondary containment destroyed" at #Japan nuclear plant on.cnn.com...



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by rancher1
Well according to this it looks like the problem is almost solved. I know I read other stuff in this thread about this, But I did not see a link. Maybe all the gloom and doom on here will be proved wrong.. Ot I'm I just being naive, Wait don't answer that. Here is what he said.

The operator of Japan's tsunami-crippled nuclear plant says it has almost completed a new power line that could restore electricity to the complex and solve the crisis that has threatened a meltdown. CNBC.com

I sincerely hope they actually get that up and working.
But, the realist in me says it's not going to happen - short of "suicide" mission for the people working on hooking-up the "last-mile" of it, and being on-site to run and monitor the pumps.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by premierepastimes
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I am believe me. I'm sure a lot of people are praying. At least I would hope so.


As Jim Morrison said: "You cannot petition the Lord with Prayer."

I'm not praying as I don't believe it works and I don't believe in God.
Praying might make YOU feel better, but it really doesn't help anyone else.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:25 PM
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My mother and I were just discussing this. I was telling her that tomorrow I am going out to buy lots of frozen fish NOW because its going to be untouchable from this point. I love salmon and a lot of it comes from alaska..*sigh*. I see the sushi industry essentially collapsing after this.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:26 PM
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Thanks for your reply, I am a total layman so have been trying to understand why, if the 'experts' are generally discussing gamma radiation risks to health, alpha radiation from plutonium (from the MOX) may be of concern...

I found some useful info at the EPA website:



How does plutonium get into the body?
Some foreign countries mix isotopes of plutonium and uranium to manufacture special reactor fuel called mixed-oxide fuel, for commercial nuclear power reactors. The plutonium increases the power output. The U.S. does not currently manufacture mixed-oxide fuel, but is funding research in this type of reactor fuel as a means of dealing with excess plutonium in U.S. stockpiles.

Exposure to Plutonium
How does plutonium get into the environment?
Plutonium was dispersed world wide from atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons conducted during the 1950s and ‘60s. The fallout from these tests left very low concentrations of plutonium in soils around the world.

Nuclear weapons production and testing facilities (Hanford, WA; Savannah River, GA; Rocky Flats, CO; and The Nevada Test Site, in the United States, and Mayak and Semi Plafinsk in the former Soviet Union), also released small amounts. Some releases have occurred in accidents with nuclear weapons, the reentry of satellites that used Pu-238, and from the Chernobyl nuclear reactor accident.

People may inhale plutonium as a contaminant in dust. It can also be ingested with food or water. Most people have extremely low ingestion and inhalation of plutonium. However, people who live near government weapons production or testing facilities may have increased exposure. Plutonium exposure external to the body poses very little health risk.

What does plutonium do once it gets into the body?
The stomach does not absorb plutonium very well, and most plutonium swallowed with food or water passes from the body through the feces. When inhaled, plutonium can remain in the lungs depending upon its particle size and how well the particular chemical form dissolves. The chemical forms that dissolve less easily may lodge in the lungs or move out with phlegm, and either be swallowed or spit out. But, the lungs may absorb chemical forms that dissolve more easily and pass them into the bloodstream.

Once in the bloodstream, plutonium moves throughout the body and into the bones, liver, or other body organs. Plutonium that reaches body organs generally stays in the body for decades and continues to expose the surrounding tissue to radiation.

Health Effects of Plutonium
How can plutonium affect people's health?
External exposure to plutonium poses very little health risk, since plutonium isotopes emit alpha radiation, and almost no beta or gamma radiation. In contrast, internal exposure to plutonium is an extremely serious health hazard. It generally stays in the body for decades, exposing organs and tissues to radiation, and increasing the risk of cancer. Plutonium is also a toxic metal, and may cause damage to the kidneys.

Protecting People from Plutonium
What can I do to protect myself and my family from plutonium?
Since plutonium levels in the environment are very low, they pose little risk to most people. However, people who live near government weapons production or testing sites may have higher exposure.

Plutonium particles in dust are the greatest concern, because they pose the greatest health risk. People living near government weapons facilities can track radiation monitoring data made available by site personnel. If radiation levels rise, they should follow the radiation protection instructions given by site personnel.



Source: www.epa.gov

Now back to the detection - anyone know if the curent released info covers the plutonium/alpha or just gamma situations?



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by Snappahead
Maybe we could just ask God to fix it instead???

edit on 16-3-2011 by Snappahead because: (no reason given)

I'm pretty sure everyone's been trying that too. So far, it hasn't worked.
But, everyone should certainly not stop asking for help!



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:27 PM
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Im sure its been posted already somewhere, but it deserves attention:




Robert Alvarez, senior scholar at the Institute for Policy Studies and a former official with the Department of Energy.


That caught fire, resulting in a situation that is "very, very serious," he told CNN. He said the next solution may involve nuclear plant workers having to take heroic acts. Asked to be more specific, he said, "This is a situation where people may be called in to sacrifice their lives. ... It's very difficult for me to contemplate that but it's, it may have reached that point."


www.cnn.com...




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