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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Dec, 24 2011 @ 12:23 PM
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Failure guru to reveal what went wrong at Fukushima



Newspapers have said the report includes failures such as misinterpreted data and malfunctioning cellphones that may have worsened the crisis. Hatamura was appointed by the government in May to lead an "impartial and multifaceted" investigation into the accident.

Some managers at the nuclear plant weren't aware that the emergency water-supply system for cooling reactor No. 1 would stop working if it lost power, the Asahi Shimbun reported Sunday, citing unidentified people on Hatamura's committee. The panel is investigating if the assumption that the emergency system was working slowed the response, the Asahi said.

The high-pressure coolant injection system at the No. 3 reactor was stopped by a worker without authority from the plant manager because he wanted to prevent the battery from running out, the Mainichi Shimbun reported. Both reactors suffered meltdowns in the disaster.

Tepco failed to improve the communications system at the plant even after the same kind of cellphones used at the utility's Kashiwazaki-Kariwa nuclear station in Niigata Prefecture didn't function when a quake hit the plant in 2007, the Nikkei financial newspaper reported, citing the committee.

About 1,000 cellphones stopped working at the Fukushima plant, except those in a quake-proof building used as an emergency headquarters after the record magnitude-9 earthquake knocked out power, according to the report.

www.japantimes.co.jp...






posted on Dec, 24 2011 @ 04:12 PM
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damn, I was hoping infra-red would show more detail, like where the coriums are. From that photo, the reactor buildings look way too cool to each be storing what we know they are storing. It seems like this camera can only detect surface heat? Doesn't better camera technology than this exist, or have I been watching too many movies?

Still, cool to get an infrared drone picture...very cool! I look forward to you guys dissecting it, I've been enjoying reading the conversation so far.



posted on Dec, 24 2011 @ 07:20 PM
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Welcome OG. Im hoping GR will answer that question. I too am hoping to learn what kind of temperature range we are looking at, and how its defined. My curiosity is due to the same concern as yours. Why are the blow out panels dark and is this reflecting the temp of the service floor. This vid was shot at 22:24 so we know its cold outside. How could that be hotter than inside the reactor building.



posted on Dec, 24 2011 @ 07:32 PM
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GR, I think youre right. It had to be military and it had to be fast moving. Below is from Tepcos State of Response PDF at www.tepco.co.jp... Notice that they couldnt enter R1 at 21:51, and at 22:20 they notified the government and other authorities. This vid, if time is set to the same zone, was shot at 22:24, just enough time for a craft in the area to start a video run. But it had to be either Self Defense Forces or US Navy as no one else could mobilize that quick, certainly not a news agency. This has to be the only night of March 11/12 video out there that we'll ever see.






posted on Dec, 24 2011 @ 08:10 PM
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AC, you were asking to put things into perspective concerning radiation readings. I don't know if this helps, but I think it shows how there are two different playing fields; one, before Fukushima, the other after. This is from the same pdf cited above, and it was at 4:55 AM on the 12th. Radiation went up tenfold but it still didn't hit 1 microSievert/h, which we are seeing in numerous places around northern Japan in the air to this day. For instance the Koriyama reading of 1.69 uSv/h is ten fold the reading below.

Yet this reading below of 0.59 uSv/h triggered notifying the government and within minutes the Prime Minister widened the evac zone from 2Km to 10Km,

Now after Fukushima it seems that almost any amount is OK. If the readings go up, Japan, the IAEA or someone will just raise the safety limits and say "did we say that that much was bad for you. Oh so sorry. We meant thiiiiiiissssss MUCH is bad for you. OK," and then they smile and wish you a good day.

I kinda think the old standards might have been closer to the danger zone.



posted on Dec, 24 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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From Ex_SKF. Another 40+ uSv/h reading. This is one of the towns that the government is more or less forcing people to return to by cutting off their benefits. The readings are from a part of town that plans on opening elementary schools in Feb.


Saturday, December 24, 2011
Report from Fukushima (1) Minami Soma:
41.72 Microsieverts/Hr, γ+β+α Radiation Combined in a Municipal Apartment Complex



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 02:48 AM
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reply to OceanGeek

damn, I was hoping infra-red would show more detail, like where the coriums are. From that photo, the reactor buildings look way too cool to each be storing what we know they are storing. It seems like this camera can only detect surface heat? Doesn't better camera technology than this exist, or have I been watching too many movies?


I found this in a comment on here - not relevant to anything Fukushima-related apart from the sensitiveness of these cameras. (If this guy is to be believed, and I dont see why not)


michaelpkelly says:
April 6th, 2011 at 1:20 pm

I am trained in the use of FLIR, which stands for Forward Looking Infra Red. It is not a normal camera in that, it sees in the infrared spectrum which is beyond human sight and the very fringes of what we call heat… infrared waves are emitted more from a warmer object. The camera is adjusted to the surrounding environment, i.e. average temperature range, etc. These cameras are $100,000 plus. They are VERY sensitive and can even see your own reflection on a wall, as if it were a mirror!



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 06:12 AM
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Recent Zoom Out of Fuku







- Purple Chive



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 06:27 AM
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The Nihon-Saifu (gobbermento)
try to return to much lower amounts
of accepted Food Contamination
as well as Radiation,
For example Rice is now 500Bql
and from April 01. they will go down to
100Bql a Kg!

Also the accepted Radiation Dosage
for the Kidz, our biggest concern,
will decrease to 1 MilliSievert a Year!
edit on 25-12-2011 by Human0815 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by zworld
Actually that one was PCs discovery, but between the two of them we pertty much got Tepcos arse covered in a sling. Nothing but a bunch of pit bulls we are


In this case the footage closely matches what is seen using millitary thermal cameras, they use black and white to provide better contrast and definition; no colour = more light information. Instability of image suggests a small wingspan drone was used.

wow. Do you think this was a leak from our military? If so, whoever you are, thank you and please keep it up. Your offererings will fall into our hands and be put to good use.

Notice also the bright white at the entrance of the CSFP. Hmmmm?


Oops! Sorry PC, credit deserved where it is due! I've been posting too late in the morning again hehe.


Thank you for the summary of Dr Bocks' work. Makes perfect sense with my experiences and observations. I rarely get sick but when I do it's when I'm very busy usually. Never really considered this! In commercial pilot training we are taught that there is a 'stress bucket' and when the bucket is full, your brain starts load shedding. This means important tasks are forgotten e.g. transferring fuel into the correct tank or making a radio call etc.
Now I don't see why the immune system would be any different to this.

FLIR of quality and type in the image I linked is primarily millitary technology but also available to other non millitary corporations at the right price. E.g. police or surveying company. I have not seen this quality from non millitary before though, however this sort of imagery is not commonly seen, other than wartime and police chases.
The CSFP building is very hot from the FLIR image as well as the entrance in the video. I wonder - more cooling issues than they are letting up? Depending on calibration, if white I'd hazard a guess we are looking at 30~ degrees celsius or more - spring/summer road temperatures would be getting warm on a hot day, the roads are still white as they cool into the evening.

I also can't comment on the drone used in the march 11/12 video being the same as the picture I linked however it's very likely. I wonder if they could be launched from Okinaiwa base by US forces? I am out of time to work on co-ordinates, so tomorrow evening we can find out where the possible launch point is
I have more snooping that I'll do regarding this but I won't post it here now for fear of possible sources being 'quietened'.



Originally posted by OceanGeek
damn, I was hoping infra-red would show more detail, like where the coriums are. From that photo, the reactor buildings look way too cool to each be storing what we know they are storing. It seems like this camera can only detect surface heat? Doesn't better camera technology than this exist, or have I been watching too many movies?

Still, cool to get an infrared drone picture...very cool! I look forward to you guys dissecting it, I've been enjoying reading the conversation so far.


Hi OceanGeek, glad you are enjoying this thread and thanks for contributing too.
Infrared radiation is pretty much heat to us but also part of the electromagnetic spectrum like xrays and visible light. If you can imagine a rainbow with deep violet at one end and deep red at the other, infrared is beyond deep red. Some people can faintly see very near infrared (extremely deep red) but not far infrared (which specialised FLIR cameras like this see). It requires a sensor that is cooled to below ambient in order to pick up objects below ambient temperatures. Interestingly they are nearly useless around sunrise and sunset, as the vast land heat/sunlight change throws the entire sensor off - this is why many many 'insurgent' attacks are around this time!
The reason the buildings are mostly cool (other than #2 and CSFP) in that photo, is that by then, the reactors have melted down into the ground/bedrock or concrete containment in the basement, if we are luckier than a lotto winner. This puts most of the heatsource down below the ground floor and the heat will dissipate into the ground before the surface. At a closer distance you may possibly see the ground heat gradient around each reactor building. #3 has a hot base, giving further support to this - it had the hottest fuel of the lot. The 'open' or destroyed looking reactors will also dissipate heat more efficiently via the steel structure (acting as a heatsink), directly to the air, #2 cannot so efficiently as it is mostly closed.

Different technology to do this does exist, it is strictly black project millitary or multinational corporation level stuff. Scalar electromagnetics have no barriers. Ruskies are known to use it to find submarines and deep underground bases amongst many other offensive and defensive purposes.

Thanks to Human for the local info, I can see the bigger picture now


Sleep time, I will further respond tomorrow when I'm home.



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by Human0815
reply to post by zworld
 


Also the accepted Radiation Dosage
for the Kidz, our biggest concern,
will decrease to 1 MilliSievert a Year!
edit on 25-12-2011 by Human0815 because: (no reason given)


Couldn't resist posting a response to this one though. This 1msv/year puts a large chunk of the middle of Japan out of the question for children to live... the 'exclusion zone' for kids would be ridiculously large.



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by GhostR1der

Originally posted by Human0815
reply to post by zworld
 


Also the accepted Radiation Dosage
for the Kidz, our biggest concern,
will decrease to 1 MilliSievert a Year!
edit on 25-12-2011 by Human0815 because: (no reason given)


Couldn't resist posting a response to this one though. This 1msv/year puts a large chunk of the middle of Japan out of the question for children to live... the 'exclusion zone' for kids would be ridiculously large.



Hmmm, they are very, very busy to decontaminate
the Schoolgrounds and public Spaces!

The whole definition is anyway stupid because we think
that the max allowed Dosage is covering 24 hours
but afaik this is not even right, they have a very strange
Calculation!

i will try to investigate this tomorrow!



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by GhostR1der

Originally posted by Human0815
reply to post by zworld
 


Also the accepted Radiation Dosage
for the Kidz, our biggest concern,
will decrease to 1 MilliSievert a Year!
edit on 25-12-2011 by Human0815 because: (no reason given)


Couldn't resist posting a response to this one though. This 1msv/year puts a large chunk of the middle of Japan out of the question for children to live... the 'exclusion zone' for kids would be ridiculously large.



Hmmm, they are very, very busy to decontaminate
the Schoolgrounds and public Spaces!

The whole definition is anyway stupid because we think
that the max allowed Dosage is covering 24 hours
but afaik this is not even right, they have a very strange
Calculation!

i will try to investigate this tomorrow!



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 12:24 PM
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This time we will start from the outside of #4 and go in. 4th floor, south wall. Top arrow is a reference point [the bent pipe with something hanging down in the middle] Bottom arrow is green glowing, smoldering stuff.


Same hanging pipe.




And a zoom on the top coner. Now that wall to the left is the center north south wall. [The one blown out on the 5th floor] so the pool would be behind it. I wonder if this is where the green glowing stuff came from?



Also some more great views of the 4th floor lookin north, around our blue freight shaft.



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 01:02 PM
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Wow, AC. Another mind blower. No friggin idea at all on what either the mass of stuff smouldering could be at this late date, or what the hell is going on with the stuff in the corners of the walls and ceiling. Weird.

In a sane world we would have the best in the business going over everything and figuring out what is what, and publishing the data, so this could be the worlds greatest learning lesson and school ground for nuke folk. Of course at the end of the day any sane folk among them would be doing Kitamura did and say enough is enough, it aint gonna work. Instead its left to us to figure out what the insanity below represents. Whatever it is it aint good.

Originally posted by Aircooled





ON EDIT: actually I just remembered that the top photo and the vid are different times. The top pic was late March yes. I was just looking at it two days ago and Ive already forgotten time and where I put it. Typical.
edit on 25-12-2011 by zworld because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 01:17 PM
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Human-San. It's very important that the safety limits return to a more sensible value as soon as possible. The fact that they are giving up to nine months grace period means that next years crops will be as contaminated as this years, and thats going to be seen as OK. This shouldnt be allowed.

But the bigger picture here has to do with the control that the WTO and the worlds mega corps have over those limits. For safety limits to be raised when there is an emergency is ridiculous. Why have safety limits at all then. We need to stop this insanity of kowtowing to corporate wishes, and take back control, and that didn't happen with the gulf oil spill nor here. Human safety was thrown to the wind at a time when it was (and is) most needed. That is why I am unhappy and will remain so. A nine month grace period should not happen now, and the raising of the limits from day one should never have happened to begin with.



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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As an addendum to the above post, this is one of the first of many damning reports that will be published in the next few years. ex-skf.blogspot.com...


Canadian Medical Association Journal Blasts Japanese Government: "Culture of Coverup" Exposing Japanese Citizens to "Unconscionable" Radiation Risk
www.cmaj.ca...

The official journal of the Canadian Medical Association (CMA), "Canadian Medical Association Journal" is a peer-reviewed scientific journal. On their website, there is an article dated December 21, 2011 which severely criticizes the Japanese government's response (or lack thereof) to the nuclear disaster which has just been declared "over" by the current Noda administration.

Written by Lauren Vogel of CMAJ quoting medical experts, the article states:

The Japanese government has been "lying through their teeth" ever since the March 11 accident;

The Japanese government hasn't disclosed enough information for the citizens to make informed decision, with “extreme lack of transparent, timely and comprehensive communication”;

The response to the Fukushima nuclear disaster by the Japanese government is far worse than the response to the Chernobyl accident by the Soviet Union government;

The annual radiation exposure limit for the general public of 20 millisieverts is "unconscionable", and there has been no government "in recent decades that's been willing to accept such a high level of radiation-related risk for its population"

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International authorities have urged Japan to expand the exclusion zone around the plant to 80 kilometres but the government has instead opted to “define the problem out of existence” by raising the permissible level of radiation exposure for members of the public to 20 millisieverts per year, considerably higher than the international standard of one millisievert per year, Gould adds.

This “arbitrary increase” in the maximum permissible dose of radiation is an “unconscionable” failure of government, contends Ruff. “Subject a class of 30 children to 20 millisieverts of radiation for five years and you're talking an increased risk of cancer to the order of about 1 in 30, which is completely unacceptable. I'm not aware of any other government in recent decades that's been willing to accept such a high level of radiation-related risk for its population.”

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Quite a contrast to the Japan Association of Obstetricians and Gynecologists that issued an official statement back on March 19, declaring "It is safe if you are 30 kilometers away from the plant, the information from the national government is accurate, there is no negative health effect on embryos, fetuses, babies and small children if the cumulative radiation is 100 millisieverts and below".

Tepco and those responsible inside the Japanese government, and those they colluded with from other countries and agencies will eventually face trial in international court for crimes against humanity. When that day happens I will rest.



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 03:49 PM
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Yes Z, the top outside pic is from the April 15th flyover and the inside pics are from June. Again we have a blown out wall between the elevator shaft and the SFP and very close to our 5th floor ejection.. Just from what we've seen, the north-south center wall seems intact on the 4th floor. Here on the 4th floor I have not seen a shot of the elevator shaft. It would be just to your right while looking out this hole in the south wall.
What we do have is some pictures of the elevator shaft on the 3rd and 5th floor.
5th floor looking west and up [CSFP to the left outside]


5th floor looking west at floor level.


Remember this shot of the SW corner of the 3rd floor? The elevator shaft would be the blown up rubble on the other side of the scafolding, on the left side of the pic.


I can't say with expert knowledge if this elevator shaft was the chiminey for an explosion from below but it sure looks that way to me.



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 05:51 PM
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The following are stories related to Fukushima that can be found in todays Mainichi Daily News. This is reflective of the level of concern people have.



Steps to put residents' lives back in order should be core of Fukushima restoration
Plutonium brings no real chance of prosperity
Fundamental questions being avoided about Monju must be asked
Giving a bean about genetic modification
Nuclear-related budget requests reveal gov't nature and policy haven't changed
Radiation invades cycle of life through fallen leaves
In autumn of disaster recovery, Japanese should take comfort in 'voices' of nature
Tsunami survivors and volunteers put one foot in front of the other amid flashbacks
Gov't must learn lessons from nuclear crisis response to avoid repeating mistakes
News Navigator: What is a 'cold shutdown' at the Fukushima nuclear plant?
News Navigator: How much time and money are needed to dispose of the Fukushima reactors?
Gov't starring in own show to bring Fukushima nuclear crisis 'under control'
Gov't should play leading role in decommissioning crippled nuclear reactors
Ill-prepared TEPCO must heed lessons and warnings


Yesterday concerned citizens attempted to deliver a message to the head of Tepco.



They were stopped by 200 of these.


These uniformed policefolk are supposed to be protecting all residents of Japan. Yet they are ordered to ignore the obvious threat to all living things and only protect one person from receiving a message. And its no different anywhere else in the industrialized world. Get kicked in the face by a CEO and you'll be arrested for attacking his foot with your face.



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by Aircooled
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Yes Z, the top outside pic is from the April 15th flyover and the inside pics are from June.


Well, thats still pretty late for something to be smouldering. I remember I noticed that spot before and thought that it reminded me of the blur effect we see in the Tepco cam except the plume showed that it was definately heat related as it continued up the pic and the cam shots didnt show a plume effect above the blur.

The pics are of the southwest corner of 4 yes. The ejection point of the poolium/effium is from the north wall one panel removed from the northwest corner, so it wouldnt be close to this area. It would be a wall to the right. Nice photo though. Did this come from one of the vids that are going to be removed soon. And has anyone found a way to copy those vids as they are in html.




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