Wisconsin Senate passes resolution calling for Democrats to be taken into police custody, page 6

reply to post by rogerstigers

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Let me break it down for you?

1) unions embrace higher taxes, thus the higher taxes increase those Union wages...and add Union employment.
2) Those higher Union wages mean more tax payer burden
3) The wages from unions increase, and the " dues " are still collected
4) Those " dues " that are collected from the Union employees, that is paid by the tax payer are redistributed to the Democratic party.

A simple break down.

In 2010, America's top 20 labor unions gave more than $68 million in campaign contributions to federal candidates -- with 94 percent of the total going to Democrats

reply to post by Whereweheaded

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Last sentence...right? Let's do the last two to keep the context.

A similar trend can be seen in state and local political campaigns. Fifteen unions gave at least $1 million to Democrats during the 2008 and 2010 campaigns. Combined, their donations totaled more than $206 million, of which fully 91 percent went to Democrats.

So combined Unions donated $206 million to candidates....OF WHICH 91 percent went to Democrats...9 percent went to other parties.

You claimed that Democrats got over 90% of their funding from Unions...this is NOT what this is saying. It is saying out of all contributions that come from Unions...over 90% goes to Democrats.

TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.



No where does it say that 91% of Democrats contributions came from Unions. Please just admit you are wrong.

reply to post by Whereweheaded

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Don't need to break it down for me. I was mearly pointing out that you and MindSpin were saying the same thing regarding this > 90% stuff. I sensed a bit of confusion in the point counterpoint and was trying to clear it up.

reply to post by Janky Red

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NO, the US constitution is supreme law of the land

That much I agree on, but as I have said numerous times, Article 1 Section 5 of the US constitution determines the ongoings within the legislative branch.

Originally posted by rogerstigers
reply to post by Whereweheaded

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Actually, you just supported what MindSpin was saying... > 90% of the Union contributions went to democrats. I think it came across earlier that you were saying that democrats get >90% of their funding from unions.. totally differant..

He is wrong...but won't admit it.

Common on ATS.

reply to post by MindSpin

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No, I am sorry to inform you that I am not wrong. Ive seen you before, you twist and manipulate information to best suit your argument. Classic actions of a troll~

Some people you cant help~ ( shaking head )

Originally posted by MindSpin
He is wrong...but won't admit it.

Common on ATS.

But he's saying the same thing you are?

Albeit, I agree this comment is misleading...

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by MindSpin

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I have a problem with people making to much money, especially when those funds obtained by the Unions in Fact pay over 90% of the Democratic parties lobbying agenda.

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by rogerstigers

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punish for contempt and disorderly behavior

I would think, that tucking tail and running would amount to childish " behavior" would it not? Or at the very least, not actions becoming of a State rep.

edit on 3-3-2011 by Whereweheaded because: (no reason given)

Abstaining from a vote is not child-like behavior. Non-participation is also an important political statement.

If the people who elected the reps aren't happy then there are recall provisions.

Why do you think they have the rule which states one member of the party has to be present? They could have written the law a different way, let's say giving each side notice. But no, it was written a very specific way. Walker seems not to like this law and is trying to use police force to get around it.

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by MindSpin

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No, I am sorry to inform you that I am not wrong. Ive seen you before, you twist and manipulate information to best suit your argument. Classic actions of a troll~

Some people you cant help~ ( shaking head )

Your original statement:

I have a problem with people making to much money, especially when those funds obtained by the Unions in Fact pay over 90% of the Democratic parties lobbying agenda.

You are saying: Unions pay over 90% of Democratic parties lobbying agenda.

To prove it, you provided this source:

Union political support for Democrats is a trend that has been in place for decades, and it shows no signs of abating. In 2010, America's top 20 labor unions gave more than $68 million in campaign contributions to federal candidates -- with 94 percent of the total going to Democrats and just 4 percent to Republicans. Most of the total -- 88 percent -- came from political action committees (PACs) associated with those 20 unions, and the remaining 12 percent came from individual union members. A similar trend can be seen in state and local political campaigns. Fifteen unions gave at least $1 million to Democrats during the 2008 and 2010 campaigns. Combined, their donations totaled more than $206 million, of which fully 91 percent went to Democrats.

This says that out of contributions Unions give, over 90% go to Democrats. However it does not say that Democrats get over 90% of their funding from Unions.

Unless you think that Democrats only got 226 million (91% of 226 is 206) in contributions for the 2008 and 2010 elections



I know it is hard to admit you were wrong...but it is the right thing to do.

reply to post by Daughter2

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Abstaining from a vote is not child-like behavior. Non-participation is also an important political statement.

BWAHAHAH!!!!! Not participating form their job is a political statement? Hey why not try that at your job, and tell me how that works out for ya?

reply to post by MindSpin

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This says that out of contributions Unions give, over 90% go to Democrats. However it does not say that Democrats get over 90% of their funding from Unions.

Why not re-read your post, then come back and talk to us grown ups!

reply to post by Whereweheaded

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So, in your perfect world, the Democratic party would be starved of funds, leaving only one party. Sort of sounds like the U.S.S.R., China, and Hitlers Germany. Thar are advantages to one party rule.

reply to post by PresumedInnocent

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There are many and plenty of lobbyists that support the Democratic party, not having Unions would not make a difference in the contributions they receive.

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by Daughter2

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Abstaining from a vote is not child-like behavior. Non-participation is also an important political statement.

BWAHAHAH!!!!! Not participating form their job is a political statement? Hey why not try that at your job, and tell me how that works out for ya?

Not voting doesn't mean they aren't working. I'm sure they are on the phone and meeting with people. They are way from their homes and families too.

And yes, not voting sends a message and does effect the outcome. It's just as important as a yes or no vote.

Originally posted by MindSpin

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Stormdancer777

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Show us proof of paid demonstrators instead of parroting crap that was fed to you by a MSM outlet.

Show us PROOF.

I do have some articles other then MSM, but I don't know what would meet your specification, usually, no one wins these arguments, no matter what evidence I may present.

So I usually don't beat dead horses

I'm sensing a chain email or a right wing blog as your source.


Am I right?

I have never posted a chain email BTW.

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by Janky Red

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NO, the US constitution is supreme law of the land

That much I agree on, but as I have said numerous times, Article 1 Section 5 of the US constitution determines the ongoings within the legislative branch.

The US constitution protects the individual 1st and foremost, detainment or seizure of the individual Senators
without using the court system is unconstitutional

The fourth protects the senators

the

ninth bars the state, FOX and your assertion

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