Wisconsin Senate passes resolution calling for Democrats to be taken into police custody

Republicans have used a filibuster in the past 2 years...I had no problem with that.
This is just another form of filibuster.

No it is not. Although the unions like to spin it that way it is simply abandoning their post. You have to actually be present to filibuster. It is called "extending the debate" or "talking out a bill".
en.wikipedia.org...

I would respect them had they actually filibustered. That is tough to do.

Originally posted by MindSpin
I'm sorry if you think Republicans are out to help anyone besides the wealthy...let me guess...the wealthy "create jobs"....right?

Have you ever been hired by a poor person? How many jobs do the indigent create annually?

reply to post by MindSpin
who creates jobs in your world?
The homeless?

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I agree. The filibuster is a time honored tactic. Abondoning your post is desertion. They should be fired and replaced.

Originally posted by rogerstigers
reply to post by Whereweheaded

 

Hopefully he says nothing. This is a state issue. Not his business. (at least from a State's Rights point of view... course as leader of the democratic party, I imagine he would probably have something to say.. *shrug*)

But you just said this topic wasn't political. Then why are you and just about everyone else mentioning political parties in your posts?

*shrug*

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Along those lines I bet there are a ton of laid off teachers from Nevada,California,Florida that will be happy to come to Wisconsin for a new teaching gig...

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by MindSpin

 

who creates jobs in your world?

Middle class entrepenuers who start new businesses so as to try to get ahead in the world.

Nice heated discussion.

But lets set the record strait., "Roberts Rule of Parliamentary Procedure", is how the House , Senate and your local PTA operate.

A quorum is the minimum number of members of a deliberative assembly (a body that uses parliamentary procedure, such as a legislature) necessary to conduct the business of that group. According to Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised, Tenth Edition, the current edition of Robert's Rules of Order, the "requirement for a quorum is protection against totally unrepresentative action in the name of the body by an unduly small number of persons.

So all those who think Democrats are not doing their job, guess what ?
According to "Roberts Rules", they are duing their job, representing the people, that elected them, LEGALLY !

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Did I say this thread was not political? I don't see where I said that.. I said my personal political philosophies were not pertinant to this thread.

Originally posted by rogerstigers
reply to post by centurion1211

 

Did I say this thread was not political? I don't see where I said that.. I said my personal political philosophies were not pertinant to this thread.

edit on 3-3-2011 by rogerstigers because: (no reason given)

So what then.

Don't know why you posted it in the first place. However, some here are very political.

Carry on ...

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by MindSpin

 

who creates jobs in your world?
The homeless?

Demand creates jobs...the wealthy provide them...but not once has someone "created" a job that there wasn't a demand for.

The wealthy will always PROVIDE a job as long as there is enough demand to justify it, which means increased profits for them.

Taxes should play zero role in determining hiring someone...only profit and demand should be involved in making that decision.

I don't think business owners just decide to hire more workers because taxes have gone down...do you?

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Nice misrepresentation of the Roberts Rule. The rule was created to prohibit a vote form being called when all constituents are not represented. They are able to represent their constituents they are just being babies because they know they will lose the vote. Elections have consequences.
Oh, and BTW they ARE breaking WI law as I type.

Originally posted by MindSpin

Taxes should play zero role in determining hiring someone...only profit and demand should be involved in making that decision.

I don't think business owners just decide to hire more workers because taxes have gone down...do you?

Well actually we do and we fire people if taxes get to high. My employee payroll taxes went up 11% In Feb. Payroll usually is my biggest single expense in business so raise taxes and it lowers profit. So as you said only profit should be involved...how do I separate lower profit from increased taxes? Oh yeah... I don't.

Originally posted by MindSpin

Demand creates jobs...the wealthy provide them...but not once has someone "created" a job that there wasn't a demand for.

Wrong.

Governments do - political patronage jobs are an excellent example.

And so do unions with all their "work rules" requiring more people to be assigned to do a job than are actually needed. I was a private sector union member once at a manufacturing plant, and I saw it every day.

And then we have one of the key Wisconsin issues. The governor wants teachers retained (or not) based on merit, while unions insist on doing it based on seniority. Let's keep the old, half senile teachers who can't teach a lick and only care about making it to retirement with the most money, while we get rid of the new and energetic teachers that really care about teaching.

No one could say that's logical, but that's the kind of thing the unions want.

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So they are Definately going to get their Wrists Slapped then......maybe

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No quorum, no vote, no laws broken.Sorry you don't understand.

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What is your personal solution??? The people there voted who they wanted into Office. They are doing exactly what they said they would do that got them elected. The side the voters rejected is trying to ignore Democracy and dictate to the majority, proving they don't give damn about what the people want.

They are being paid to do a job and they ran like Rat's from a ship to another State to hide. Even if I agreed with them, I would not support their behavior or their attempt to sidestep the fact they lost control in the election.

How would you get them to do their jobs or are you also of the opinion that the losing Party should be able to ignore the election and use immoral and unethical tactics to rule as Dictators? Imagine what people would be saying if the other side did the exact same thing? You would be calling for their heads. The dishonesty of the Progressives has only one redeeming trait and that is that they are showing their true dictatorial colors and they are shooting themselves in the foot.

They lost control in the elections and they need to play by the rules and stop being a bunch of confidence persons pretending to be Leaders.

To make it worse, their Grand Poobah, Obama sides with them even though Federal Workers don't have Collective Bargaining Rights and still make far more than the average tax-payer who they rape to pay their salaries and obscene benefits. He is also once again interfering with the States without the right to do so. Nobody who is not lying is being fooled here.

These are Legislators not Box-Boys at the local Supermarket. They took an Oath and they have now broken it by trying to side step Democracy and force their wants on the People against their will. Dictatorial, lying little pricks. They call themselves Democrats, but their whole goal is to control everyone else and make sure their purchased voters get their bribes to save their job's.

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by MindSpin

And yet you are still crying about the exact same thing happening with the Healthcare bill. :shk:

You must be losing your arguments regarding the Wisconsin situation because now you keep wanting to talk about healthcare.

You have anything new to add to the discussion on Wisconsin that we haven't heard repeated ad nauseum?

And pssst! Not hardly crying. I'd call it being fairly optimistic that obamacare will be overturned.

Hint: obama must feel the same way as I do because he's quietly shifted his focus to trying to get the states to individually pass a version of obamacare like in Massachusetts. Why? Because that's the only way it would be constitutional. Oh, and good luck with that Barack ...

Good luck Barack

I want to pay corporate raiders my childrens college funds!!!

Fight the socialism and fight any and all solutions!

Gosh you fellers are shills to the end -

Again this WIS resolution is unconstitutional,

HAIL!!!

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Unfortunately I do understand. The rule is the reason a vote hasn't happened and that is good. The rule was to protect the unrepresented from being jammed not to prevent a vote from taking place. If these representatives were stuck in a snow drift and someone called a vote the Roberts Rule protects them. This episode is far from the spirit of the rule.
Again, nice spin though.

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And you see a republican majority ignoring the protesters as representing them ?
Compomise is not an option, right ?

I heard after they kill off the unions their going after the small business owners.
No need for small business when corporations can take care of all the publics needs.
Any wonder why small businesses pay higher taxes than big corporations and have more restrictions,
besides they don't employ enough empoyees to have any impact on the economy.