(Confirmed!) We're hearing that police have joined the rally in WI after being asked to disperse th, page 13

reply to post by g146541

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They can learn, can't they. They're teachers for crying out loud.

Originally posted by romanmel
Average salary of a WI teacher is $ 49,000.00 per year with 15 weeks vacation. Give me a break! See: certificationmap.com...
And they are bitchin? I find it difficult to be for teachers who can't train a chld to read beyond a forth grade level or identify their own state on an unlabled map after twelve years of schooling. In my opinion we would be way ahead firing them all.

Well, It's even more than just not being able to read(and comprehend evidently), it's all the values clarification and outcome based education programs designed expressly to put a wedge between children and their parents in a diabolical attempt by the State to destroy traditional values. Yes it's all in their programs disguised as multi culturalism, etc. Authors Mel and Norma Gabler wrote, "Are Textbooks Harming Your Children", which focuses on content in books attacking traditional American values. They were involved in the Texas Textbook committee, which is still the major textbook approval apparatus.
Says the Mises Inst., " gather a hundred Americans into a big room and you'll find that twenty of them live in either California or Texas. Both states set statewide standards for every course offered in their public school systems, then provide copies of these standards to textbook publishers. Who can really blame the publishers if they react by, first, producing textbooks that meet the standards in Texas and California and, then, providing those same textbooks to everybody else in the country, too, whether they like it or not?"
A quote from Diane Ravitch on that site says, "[t]extbooks are very important in American schools, especially in history. In most history classes, they are the curriculum. Many teachers are dependent on their textbook because they have not studied history. Today, most teachers of history in grades 7–12 have neither a major nor a minor in history. Instead they have a degree in social studies education, some other branch of pedagogy, a social science, or a completely unrelated field.[3" mises.org...
There is more in this article about reform of history if anyone wants to know.
Revisionist history is made use of liberally by people who want to control the outcome of a generation of impressionable youth. Here's an article about revisionist history: www.upi.com...

Finally, here is one of my favorite authors, Antony Sutton, "How The Order Controls Education" with a great introduction to that book, www.sntp.net...

reply to post by XxXAmmoXxX

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You are correct, but i don't want a Plumber doing surgery on me, or vise versa.
Either way, this whole issue will find it's way to closure for the bad or good, with or without our commentary.
Just hope it goes peacefully.

reply to post by Mercenary2007

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I doubt that he will fire anyone being as he is about to be impeached for corruption and selling out to the Koch bros.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

If anything the union membership will swell and actually gain more power when the taxpayers see how Walker sold them out; that is precisely why the firefighters and LEOs are joining the protesters.

Conservatives are such hypocrites always wanting smaller government but giving unlimited power to a Governor against the American working man. pathetic!

reply to post by Mercenary2007

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A unionized public employee, a member of the Tea Party and a CEO are sitting at a table. In the middle of the table there is a plate with a dozen cookies on it. The unionized public employee reaches across and takes 11 cookies, looks at the CEO and says,"look out for that Tea Party guy, he wants a piece of your cookie"

Let me further correct the omissions:

A unionized public employee, a member of the Tea Party and a CEO are sitting at a table. In the middle of the table there is a plate with a dozen cookies on it. The unionized public employee reaches across and takes 11 cookies, looks at the CEO and says,"look out for that Tea Party guy, he wants a piece of your cookie. Now, somebody get a baseball bat and break both dese guys legs, and den go burn down their houses, and go get some of our boys and torch the goddamn factories. Den, we get our attorneys on the case and sue for breach of contract, and to make sure we get our paychecks uninterrupted while they're rebuilding our factory."

reply to post by MMPI2

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More like the politician and his corporate backers take 11 3/4 of the cookies and leaves the union and regular worker to fight over the 1/4 cookie left...

reply to post by Mercenary2007

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To apply that joke to the real world...what Union gets a piece of the cookie before the CEO? It doesn't happen.

Everyone against Unions are just being led astray, can't blame you because corporations and Right talking heads pay millions for the propaganda.

A Union at it's genesis is a gathering of individuals with a common cause.

People crying about tyranny and oppression need to take a step back and realize what side you're actually on. The first things dictators such as Hitler did was break up Unions. This fact alone should cause your ears to perk and you take a long hard think.

Why do you think a dictator would want to break up unions? Because it's easier to oppress or even murder people when they aren't unified (Union). So you folk who are against Unions are actually the scourge against humanity...or working for them.

Unions have made life better for all of us. Instead of envying the carpenter making $35 per hour while you make $28....realize that if your company wasn't competing with the Unions and at least trying to hire the stragglers who couldn't make it to a Union....your pay would be $10 per hour. So you're stepping on your own dilly dally by trying to eliminate Unions!

I see a lot of fools in this thread. The rich are getting richer and keeping the focus off themselves by forcing the middle class to fight other middle class or poor.

reply to post by DZAG Wright

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People crying about tyranny and oppression need to take a step back and realize what side you're actually on. The first things dictators such as Hitler did was break up Unions. This fact alone should cause your ears to perk and you take a long hard think.

but it doesnt it seem pretty obvious that the NAZI party was one gigantic union.

reply to post by g146541

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Well that comparison is really disproportionate. Teachers are supposed to have a higher mental capacity than their union reps so they could probably even do a better job than what they are currently paying for. By the way, in case it was unclear I did not mean my suggestion in a totally literal sense. I just wish that people could learn to think outside of the box a bit more. If the current system isn't working then why not change it instead of completely eradicating it?

reply to post by ugie1028

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Hey all;
I don't know if this video has been posted to this link or not, sorry in advance if it has. But here is a vid of a Wisconsin cop megaphoning, telling the people they swore to uphold human rights, and they intend on doing it.

redantliberationarmy.wordpress.com...

Now one question we have to ask, if it's not going too deep down the rabbit hole, we these police ordered to go and stay throughout the protests...but to tell the public they'd been ordered to kick them out? You know, to make it look like the cops were on their side, or even just as simple as to try and infiltrate and get information out of the protestors. I'm not suggesting I believe this is what has been done, in regards to any truth outside of myself I don't know anything, but it is one avenue to peruse.

Peace and One Love!

reply to post by DZAG Wright

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not quite sure how to take your reply to me. But I've actually been trying to avoid this whole stupid thing. Both the Union and the governor are wrong.

I don't like unions not because some talking head on tv tells me i should. I don't like unions from years of personal experience. Yes Unions had there time and place and back then they actually helped their members. But these days there is no need for unions anymore. There are laws on the books to protect workers.

Tell me exactly what a union does these days to protect workers? Because from here all I see is a bunch of lazy leeches trying to suck companies dry.

You want a raise here's a novel idea get off your ass and do a better job than the person next to you and you'll get that raise. want better benefits? work harder and contribute to your own retirement fund. and buy better health insurance. People these days want everything handed to them, they feel they are entitled to everything, Yet they don't want to make personal sacrifices to do anything to improve their situation on their own.

I hate to break it to these teachers police and fire fighters that are protesting because a state wants to take away their union.They should consider themselves damn lucky to have a job right now. because there are millions of people that would gladly take their job if they could.

So what the Gov. wants them to pay more of a share for their benefits they pay what 30% if that. most people have to 50-100% of their share for their benefits in the real world!

Frankly the majority of us are getting tired of the unions crying that everyone is picking on them and that their wages and benefits are justified. really? 80,000- 100,00 a year for a teacher in a failing school system give me a break! you should be lucky to get 30,000 a year.

back in the old days public servants were the lowest paid employees for a reason. so states could live within their means. once again unions got their greedy little hands in the cookie jar and took and took and took now look what happened the state is bankrupt and they are crying about paying their fair share.

reply to post by whaaa

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sorry he can't be impeached for a bill that 1 half of the state legislator has passed so far and when the state senate votes and passes it, it will become law.

You can only impeach an elected official for breaking an actual law. not because you just don't like the person.

oh and about union membership swelling, i doubt it. union membership has been on the decline for the last several decades

Originally posted by Mercenary2007
reply to post by DZAG Wright

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not quite sure how to take your reply to me. But I've actually been trying to avoid this whole stupid thing. Both the Union and the governor are wrong.

I don't like unions not because some talking head on tv tells me i should. I don't like unions from years of personal experience. Yes Unions had there time and place and back then they actually helped their members. But these days there is no need for unions anymore. There are laws on the books to protect workers.

Tell me exactly what a union does these days to protect workers? Because from here all I see is a bunch of lazy leeches trying to suck companies dry.

You want a raise here's a novel idea get off your ass and do a better job than the person next to you and you'll get that raise. want better benefits? work harder and contribute to your own retirement fund. and buy better health insurance. People these days want everything handed to them, they feel they are entitled to everything, Yet they don't want to make personal sacrifices to do anything to improve their situation on their own.

I hate to break it to these teachers police and fire fighters that are protesting because a state wants to take away their union.They should consider themselves damn lucky to have a job right now. because there are millions of people that would gladly take their job if they could.

So what the Gov. wants them to pay more of a share for their benefits they pay what 30% if that. most people have to 50-100% of their share for their benefits in the real world!

Frankly the majority of us are getting tired of the unions crying that everyone is picking on them and that their wages and benefits are justified. really? 80,000- 100,00 a year for a teacher in a failing school system give me a break! you should be lucky to get 30,000 a year.

back in the old days public servants were the lowest paid employees for a reason. so states could live within their means. once again unions got their greedy little hands in the cookie jar and took and took and took now look what happened the state is bankrupt and they are crying about paying their fair share.

Yes Unions are bigger and more powerful in some aspects than they should be. Getting rid of them isn't the answer however, simply modify them.

Relying on laws on the books in the place of Unions would have us all screwed. Corporations would merely have to throw more money at legislatures to have any laws removed without Unions there throwing money. Us common folk wouldn't stand a chance in the politics.

"Suck a company dry"? I don't see ONE union that threatens to take more than half of a companies revenue.

This statement [You want a raise here's a novel idea get off your ass and do a better job than the person next to you and you'll get that raise. want better benefits? work harder and contribute to your own retirement fund. and buy better health insurance. People these days want everything handed to them, they feel they are entitled to everything, Yet they don't want to make personal sacrifices to do anything to improve their situation on their own.] shows me you have brought the propaganda of rugged American, pull yourself up by your bootstraps. That's b.s. that's fed to unimformed, selling them a false dream. You can be the hardest worker in the world and die poor. Rare is the person that makes it wealthy in the grand scheme.

The part about considering themselves lucky to have a job is defeatist attitude. It's akin to being grateful for the crumbs and table scraps. This is what the wealthy and Right have been forcing people to accept. What type of a free person would be satisfied with having a wealthy person piss/trickle down an existence? #ck that!

reply to post by Scorpitarius

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I'm hardly pro-cop, and I'm all too familiar with hte usual police tactics of cracking a protest.

However, this is not the case in Wisconsin. Why?

Because the Governor's efforts to strip citizens' right ot collectively bargain applies to the police as well. That's right, cops are unionized, and they are paid with state dollars; Walker is trying to strip their rights as well. Along with firefighters, garbage collectors, pretty much anyone who works in any sort of government position.

The police are with the workers on this one, because the police are the workers, in this case.

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