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reply posted on 21-4-2012 @ 12:49 AM by deloprator20000

The serious issue you're talking about is national security, and they're not in any hurry to "work through" that issue. A little thing like keeping the nation in existence is pretty important to them.


One of the conclusions of Project Blue Book was:

1. No UFO reported, investigated and evaluated by the Air Force was ever an indication of threat to our national security.

Project Blue Book

Interesting, we have the USAF stating that their "best" scientific study of UFOs concluded that none of the UFOs they studied indicated a threat to national security, yet you believe that the reason for the hostility towards UFO research is because of national security, this is not supported by the "official" data.
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reply posted on 29-4-2012 @ 03:43 PM by deloprator20000
Looks like the CISPA bill has passed the House of Representatives, now it is under debate in the Senate.

Google News Search


The bill allows internet companies to share information about it's users with government agencies. One of the public reasons for such a bill is to strengthen cybersecurity, which is valid, though it does NOT define any criteria that would enable the company to decide what information bears on cybersecurity and what information does not.

Though cybersecurity is a reason for such a bill, does it really necessitate a bill the effectively leads to warrant less internet "wiretapping"?

Something like this has happened before:

According to CNET



President Richard Nixon, plagued by anti-Vietnam protests and worried about foreign influence, ordered that Project Shamrock's electronic ear be turned inward to eavesdrop on American citizens. In 1969, Nixon met with the heads of the NSA, CIA and FBI and authorized an intercept program. Nixon later withdrew the formal authorization, but informally, police and intelligence agencies kept adding names to the watch list. At its peak, 600 American citizens appeared on the list, including singer Joan Baez, pediatrician Benjamin Spock, actress Jane Fonda and the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.


Are they inspired by Richard Nixon?

Furthermore the NSA has had close relationships with communications companies:


This apparently has continued. In his 2006 book titled "State of War," New York Times reporter James Risen wrote: "The NSA has extremely close relationships with both the telecommunications and computer industries, according to several government officials. Only a very few top executives in each corporation are aware of such relationships." In a recent Wired article, author James Bamford described how the NSA is currently building the nation's biggest spy center, a $2 billion facility in the Utah desert. Bamford quoted William Binney, a former NSA official, as saying the NSA's backdoor into the U.S. telecommunications network goes far beyond AT&T's facility on Second Street in San Francisco. "I think there's 10 to 20 of them," Binney said. "That's not just San Francisco; they have them in the middle of the country and also on the East Coast."


Even though the NSA probably already monitors nearly all internet communication, not every government agency has access to whatever information they obtain. Most likely this bill would allow all the other government agencies to obtain access to information without having to ask the NSA, they simply ask the companies. The problem is that it is up to the companies to release as much or as little as they want, it is unclear what the criteria is and this is a problem.

Anyway here is a partial list industry groups that support the bill:


American Fuel & Petrochemical Manufacturers - Interesting

American Petroleum Institute Supports CISPA - Interesting

11 Financial Trade Associations Support CISPA

AT&T - Yes, I would expect something like this from them.

Boeing

BSA

Business Roundtable

CSC

COMPTEL

CTIA - The Wireless Association

Cyber, Space & Intelligence Association

Edison Electric

EMC

Exelon

Facebook - This is somewhat of a surprise

The Financial Services Roundtable

IBM - I can see them doing something like this.

Independent Telephone & Telecommunications Alliance

Information Technology Industry Council

Intel - This is a surprise

Internet Security Alliance

Lockheed Martin

Microsoft - I can see this coming from them.

National Cable & Telecommunications Association

NDIA

Oracle

Symantec

TechAmerica

US Chamber of Commerce

US Telecom - The Broadband Association

Verizon - Time to change your carrier


Here is a link to the full list:

CISPA Letters of Support

Many of the industry groups are directly related to online communications, though the two OIL groups are quite a surprise. Does cybersecurity affect the interests of the OIL industry sufficiently to warrant support of an unpopular bill? It's not enough that much of our geopolitical strategy is based around the needs of the OIL industry we have to modify our online privacy as well?

We have seen, in one decade, compromise after compromise on the part of the American people in the areas of access to accurate information about world events, privacy, freedom of expression, unreasonable search and seizure, etc. It seems as if all the compromises have been on our part and very few if any on the part of the government, multi-national corporations, and the military industrial complex.

This may be a government BY the people, but not necessarily a government FOR the people.
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reply posted on 30-4-2012 @ 05:36 AM by deloprator20000
It would benefit everyone if we read the actual CISPA bill:

CISPA Bill

Mashable has presented a good explanation of the CISPA bill:

mashable.com...

What caught my eye was the following:


The two parts of CISPA these groups consider most offensive are a national security clause and a liability clause. The first, they say, would allow CISPA to be used in any case where national security is deemed at risk — a potentially broad category. The second would protect any business that shares cybersecurity information from lawsuits — including suits from users who think their private information may have been shared without justification.


Who makes the decision whether or not some data puts national security at risk? The company handling the data? Do they have the resources to make such a decision? Who defines what is or isn't national security? Will the companies be in contact with the US government, how will the government know to ASK a specific company about a specific dataset? Will government agencies simply ask companies for large datasets which they simply mine through?

Also, it protects companies from lawsuits, even when users believe that their information may have been used unjustifiably!! What kind of law is this?

Why is it that we the people have to make nearly all the compromises? It's not enough with vague language in NDAA and drone surveillance of population centers, they have to look through all of our data as well? Who are they protecting? The threats, while real, don't seem to necessitate the level of surveillance they are calling for.

I find it amazing that when the finance industry quite literally destroys the US and world economy, there is no shortage of bail-outs and legislation meant to help the finance industry. Very few if any were held responsible and take note that very little legislation, if any, legislation was passed demanding constant surveillance of those in the finance industry, no drones monitoring their every move, no vaguely worded laws meant to catch any and all who may try to defraud the public, no wiretapping and demands for large datasets of finance information.

Yet, god forbid, that the public try to defraud those with the money.
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