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Originally posted by Wildbob77
The worst thing that has happened to poor people in the US is welfare.
Now, don't get me wrong, a helping hand is a great thing. Anyone can find themselves in a tough spot without family and/or friends to give them a helping hand.
However, the current welfare system is set up to create a lifestyle. Now, we have people in families that have been on welfare for 5 generations. If you're raised in such a family, then it is perfectly normal to expect the government to support you.
Originally posted by Wildbob77
How can we correct this?
After that, you have to report for work every day M-F at 8:00 AM. If you don't show, you don't get any money and you can lose your kids. Work would consist of what ever job the local area needs to be done.. Cleaning streets, refurbishing rundown housing, cleaning parks etc. I would also support job training for careers that are in demand in your area.
Kids in the household would see mom and/or dad going to work every day. That alone could break the welfare as a lifestyle issue.
It should be mandatory for kids in welfare families to get a certain GPA at school say B average otherwise the family doesn't get paid.
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101But I do find offense with your statement that welfare creates a lifestyle situation. That is an outright lie. Try living on just a few hundreds a month of welfare, and you will realize that you would have NO lifestyle by any means, and worse for kids, for the material for education aint cheap, as well as the general rise of food commodities, not to mention the rooms they have to squeeze in.
Originally posted by Wildbob77
reply to post by maybereal11
How many consecutive generations of Democrats should be able to receive welfare
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Just because of a minority of illegals who abused the welfare system, and some scream here loudly that ALL illegals are abusing the system, and are better off than themselves???
Fine. Keep your money. Shut off the tap. Enjoy your wealth. Be selfish. Bow before your corporate masters as they robbed you blind, and in your frustrations, you take it out on people who suffered more than you, lacking in opportunities of every kind and cannot retaliate back. And their innocent children as well.
These group of self centred inhuman beasts make me sick! Even animals of the wild will not hurt or harm their own young. I am not be a rich man, but i will do all I can to help them, which is limited in ability alone, espacially the children, to escape the poverty trap from their own country as well as in a new country. There will be bad folks, but like everything else, there will always be good folks and at least some good in ALL if given the chances you had.
Originally posted by maybereal11The stats I have looked at show most leave welfare in the first 2 years...where did you get 5 generations?
Moreover, dependence passes between generations; children raised in families that receive welfare assistance are themselves three times more likely to be on welfare than other children when they become adults.
This inter-generational dependency is a clear indication that the welfare system is failing in its goal to lift the poor from poverty to self-sufficiency and is trapping many families in a repeating cycle of debilitating and self-destructive behavior.
Originally posted by maybereal11Average time on welfare..
www.huppi.com...
The average AFDC mother is 29 years old and has two children. Close to half of the women in our sample have been previously married. They have an average of four years of work experience. Only five percent were born in a foreign country.
www.socialdesign.org...
Of the over 4.5 million families currently receiving assistance through Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC well over half will remain dependent for over ten years, many for fifteen years or longer.
Originally posted by maybereal11And BTW...anyone on USA Welfare for 5 generations wouldn't seem applicable to the debate of first generation children of illegal immigrants?It always surprises me how some folks can flippantly pitch a tyrannical communist system as a good thing.
The anti-marriage and anti-labor effects of welfare are simple and profound. The current welfare system may best be conceptualized as a system that offers each single mother with two children a paycheck of combined benefits worth an average of between $8,500 and $15,000, depending on the state.
The mother has a contract with the government: She will continue to receive her paycheck as long as she fulfills two conditions. She must not work; and she must not marry an employed male.
Moreover, most low- and moderate-income parents would have a huge incentive to enroll in welfare, at least briefly, to become eligible for the long-term continuing benefits. Such a system would inevitably devolve into one in which the majority of low- and moderate-income single-and two-parent families received substantial welfare payments, raising the overall cost of welfare by hundreds of billions of dollars per year.
Last year, the Maryland NAACP released a report concluding that "the ready access to a lifetime of welfare and free social service programs is a major contributory factor to the crime problems we face today." Their conclusion appears to be confirmed by academic research. For example, research by Dr. June O'Neill's and Anne Hill for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services showed that a 50 percent increase in the monthly value of combined AFDC and food stamp benefits led to a 117 percent increase in the crime rate among young black men.
Welfare contributes to crime in several ways. First, children from single-parent families are more likely to become involved in criminal activity. According to one study, children raised in single-parent families are one-third more likely to exhibit anti-social behavior. Moreover, O'Neill found that, holding other variables constant, black children from single- parent households are twice as likely to commit crimes as black children from a family where the father is present. Nearly 70 percent of juveniles in state reform institutions come from fatherless homes, as do 43 percent of prison inmates. Research indicates a direct correlation between crime rates and the number of single-parent families in a neighborhood.
Originally posted by Wildbob77
reply to post by maybereal11
Here's some links
Three generations of welfare cheats
Originally posted by Wildbob77
How many consecutive generations of Democrats should be able to receive welfare
Originally posted by Wildbob77
Welfare reform could break cycle for some families
Originally posted by Wildbob77
Is the correlation in welfare participation across generations spurious? Read more: www.faqs.org...
The observed correlation in welfare participation between mothers and their daughters is examined as to whether it reflects causal links or correlated unobservables. The study was undertaken to analyze whether the reduction of one generation's welfare participation has a bearing on the next generation. Through the Panel Study of Income Dynamics,[u/] it was revealed that correlated unobservables are significant in explaining the intergenerational correlation in welfare participation among blacks but not non-blacks.
I'll check them out...I have to say this cracked me up though...Is the inference that it is OK for consecutive generations of Republicans?
It erodes the credibility of the article even before I click...the article title waves the "partisan lunatic" flag.
Originally posted by Golf66
Here is the multigenerational issue: I am not speaking for the source of the other guy.
Moreover, dependence passes between generations; children raised in families that receive welfare assistance are themselves three times more likely to be on welfare than other children when they become adults.
This inter-generational dependency is a clear indication that the welfare system is failing in its goal to lift the poor from poverty to self-sufficiency and is trapping many families in a repeating cycle of debilitating and self-destructive behavior.
Originally posted by Night Star
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Just because of a minority of illegals who abused the welfare system, and some scream here loudly that ALL illegals are abusing the system, and are better off than themselves???
Fine. Keep your money. Shut off the tap. Enjoy your wealth. Be selfish. Bow before your corporate masters as they robbed you blind, and in your frustrations, you take it out on people who suffered more than you, lacking in opportunities of every kind and cannot retaliate back. And their innocent children as well.
These group of self centred inhuman beasts make me sick! Even animals of the wild will not hurt or harm their own young. I am not be a rich man, but i will do all I can to help them, which is limited in ability alone, espacially the children, to escape the poverty trap from their own country as well as in a new country. There will be bad folks, but like everything else, there will always be good folks and at least some good in ALL if given the chances you had.
We are selfish? Tell that to the 87 year old woman who was in tears because she was denied help with medical bills of thousands of dollars because she made 3.00 over the poverty limit. All the while illegals have their needs met and have no worries. Tell that to the man or woman who lost thier jobs to an illegal and don't know how they will feed and care for their families. Who is lacking opportunities here?? Certainly not our illegals!!!!.
We take it out on people who come here and steal identities and present false documents who have never had a background or healthcheck. This is dangerous to our legal citizens. Way too many people have died at the hands of an illegal simply because our laws were not enforced. How would you feel if an illegal killed your 3 year old child knowing he would be alive today had the laws been enforced? How about losing your wife and daughter as one man did all in the same day because of someone who was never supposed to be here to begin with? That is why we have laws!!!!!
What gives an illegal the right to place themselves above citizens and above the respectful people who come here legally? What makes them matter more than anyone else?
It is one thing helping others which we have done and continue to do, but when many citizens cannot afford medical or rent or whatever, have no jobs and their tax dollars are helping someone who breaks the law instead, that is neither fair nor right!! You can't understand why we are angry and resentful? WOW!
Originally posted by maybereal11I don't trust Idealogically driven rhetoric, I trust well researched facts.