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Originally posted by Havick007
reply to post by Logarock
I dont get it....
I aint dreaming, it's a reality here.. Perhaps a dream over there but here it's great
Originally posted by Havick007
reply to post by macman
sorry i starred you coz all you did was repeat and emphasise my reply
But you gotta admit, whch system would you prefer?
Just because i am covered does not mean i question my freedoms, that is silly. If anything i feel even more freedom knowing that whatever my situation is my health is always a priority.edit on 20-1-2011 by Havick007 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by macman
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It is the responsibility of the illegals family/parents to provide. Not the tax payer.
Why should I?
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Originally posted by macman
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It is the responsibility of the illegals family/parents to provide. Not the tax payer.
Why should I?
Fine. Then DONT PAY.
But first, pay back to our society what we and our forefathers had paid for us and you, education, health, infrasture, military, police, politcal securites, etc.
Then find yourself a piece of land and declare yourself a soveriegn, by yourself and everything with regards to survival, on your own. You will no right to any help from anyone, including the illegals and their children who will become legal one day and contribute to society.
PS: as for illegals stealing your jobs, best you look for the culprits who hired them instead of you, and therein lays the blame - the supposed 'capitalist' system and not society
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Just because of a minority of illegals who abused the welfare system, and some scream here loudly that ALL illegals are abusing the system, and are better off than themselves???
Fine. Keep your money. Shut off the tap. Enjoy your wealth. Be selfish. Bow before your corporate masters as they robbed you blind, and in your frustrations, you take it out on people who suffered more than you, lacking in opportunities of every kind and cannot retaliate back. And their innocent children as well.
These group of self centred inhuman beasts make me sick! Even animals of the wild will not hurt or harm their own young. I am not be a rich man, but i will do all I can to help them, which is limited in ability alone, espacially the children, to escape the poverty trap from their own country as well as in a new country. There will be bad folks, but like everything else, there will always be good folks and at least some good in ALL if given the chances you had.
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Originally posted by macman
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It is the responsibility of the illegals family/parents to provide. Not the tax payer.
Why should I?
PS: as for illegals stealing your jobs, best you look for the culprits who hired them instead of you, and therein lays the blame - the supposed govt untouchable free hand 'capitalist' system and not society, its laws or the legislativesedit on 20-1-2011 by SeekerofTruth101 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Havick007
reply to post by macman
what choice???
There is no need for choice when all coverage is the same. If i go to an ER with a life threatening illness or something severe i will be treated no different than someone with private health care. The private may get their own hospital room and better meals but health is the same either way... That much is true here.
Originally posted by Havick007
reply to post by macman
doesnt make sense either...
I keep more of my money but pay the same tax percentage....
Originally posted by Havick007
reply to post by marg6043
Correct me if i am wrong, as i dont keep total track of the US laws and bills etc but with the new health bill, as far as i knew, it was more to regulate and bring health insurance down in price...
That still doesnt account for the poor peple that cant afford it full stop. Some people are put into debt for 10+ years because something happens and they are sent to the ER and surgery etc, but then... the bill comes. oh but wait, you get the option of installments over the next 10 years
You know how many firends i have that have been scared outta their wits about visiting the states because if something happens they are screwed. Although travel insurance will cover some of it, it doesnt always cover it all.
Originally posted by macman
I pay into my society plenty. Both forcefully by the Govt and by personal choice. Who the hell are you to judge me? I have served the country. Have you?
I did not commit a felony by crossing the border, only to drop a kid or two, only to have the American tax payer foot the bill.
If i could declare myself sovereign, I would.
If the laws in place were enforced, then companies would find it expensive to employ Illegals.
There is no reason for the tax payer to provide for them. Most illegals are paid cash, drive decent cars and have money for everything else, except health care I guess.
Again, if you want them taken care of, why don't you do more? Why should I?
Originally posted by Havick007
reply to post by macman
doesnt make sense either...
I keep more of my money but pay the same tax percentage....
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Originally posted by macman
I pay into my society plenty. Both forcefully by the Govt and by personal choice. Who the hell are you to judge me? I have served the country. Have you?
I did not commit a felony by crossing the border, only to drop a kid or two, only to have the American tax payer foot the bill.
If i could declare myself sovereign, I would.
If the laws in place were enforced, then companies would find it expensive to employ Illegals.
There is no reason for the tax payer to provide for them. Most illegals are paid cash, drive decent cars and have money for everything else, except health care I guess.
Again, if you want them taken care of, why don't you do more? Why should I?
First off, I did not judge you, but you asked for a solution on why should you pay.
Secondly, quit using the 'I serve my country' to gain sympathy votes. Are you implying that others who are gainfully employed, contributing to the economy, are not 'serving their country' as well?
Your military service would have a higher sympathy, had it been acknowledged as a worthy cause, but today, many had awakened and realized that you and your courageous and valiant kind had not been fighting for the country, but only for your corporate masters. For your information, I too had served, but will not brag about it in attempt to throw my weight around like you do.
As I mentioned earlier, just because a few illegals gets a better deal than you, it does not mean EVERYONE gets a better deal, and there are many more tragic causes out there if you will but only open up your heart to find out the truth. Today, everyone is in poverty or facing poverty soon. While we may no longer wine and dine in fine restaurants, we still have some bread we can share with our fellow humans.
And even this, I am not forcing you to.edit on 20-1-2011 by SeekerofTruth101 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by kerazeesicko
reply to post by macman
So is it just the immigrants on welfare you hate...or is it also the americans on welfare? Is this right-wing propaganda...balme the immigrants...but forget the many millions of americans also on welfare. If the mexicans are taking your jobs...maybe it's time you work on your qualifications...I mean...sheesh if all you can get is a housekeeping, gardening, or whatever low paying job labourer job it is you can get...maybe work on bettering your resume and yourself..instead of blaming others for your issues.
Originally posted by kerazeesicko
reply to post by macman
So is it just the immigrants on welfare you hate...or is it also the americans on welfare? Is this right-wing propaganda...balme the immigrants...but forget the many millions of americans also on welfare. If the mexicans are taking your jobs...maybe it's time you work on your qualifications...I mean...sheesh if all you can get is a housekeeping, gardening, or whatever low paying job labourer job it is you can get...maybe work on bettering your resume and yourself..instead of blaming others for your issues.