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So you were mistaken about Fukino stating anything about Kapiolani?
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
You stated before that birthers do not demand the original long form birth certificate, and yet you continiously go on and on about Obama releasing it. It is abit silly, and you are going around in circles.
Originally posted by Skippy1138
I carry my birth certificate in my wallet.
Originally posted by GhostLancer
With all of that in mind, I imagine that there is a real birth certificate somewhere. Maybe it was, as can happen, misplaced or unintentionally destroyed or discarded. The fact that President Obama HAS a social security card, HAS a driver's license, HAS a passport, HAS a security clearance, WAS elected to senatorial office and WAS elected to the Presidency speaks volumes for the legitimacy of his citizenship.
Had his citizenship been in question at all during any of those acquisitions and triumphs, he would not have made it to the next stage.
Sunday, June 27, 2004
Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations. The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative
—AP
Copyright © 2004 . The Standard Ltd
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
So you were mistaken about Fukino stating anything about Kapiolani?
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
But I have to object once again to your insertion of the word "original", you're making that up.
It's "long form birth certificate" the word "original" isn't part of that,
The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.
Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by Southern Guardian
There are tons of things that every person is not required to do, but should. Assuming a position of leadership places more of an obligation on the should side of the equation than someone who is not,
simply by virtue of them holding a position that by its definition requires a level of trust to hold effectively
The President is in a position where he should always seek to unite the people of the country.
Simply put, there are more than a couple of people in this country that have concerns about the man's eligibility
Now for certain, some of them never will be, but a good number of them would drop the matter entirely
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
but later Fukino said they had a "birth certificate" which she later changed to "vital records". That seems pretty odd to me.
McCain openly provided his long form birth certificate for all to see, and the issue of his eligibility was debated openly with the source document being available. He wasn't trying to hide anything.
The birth certificates we got to see are from the Hollander suit.
Legal cases have been filed in at least three states--New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and California--challenging McCain's eligibility for the presidency. You can read the New Hampshire filing, by a 49-year-old computer programmer named Fred Hollander, here.
The McCain campaign has declined to publicly release his birth certificate, but a senior campaign official showed me a copy.
Originally posted by Skippy1138
I carry my birth certificate in my wallet.I can produce it in 12 seconds for anyone who wants to see it.I have nothing to hide.Yet Obama has spent thousands of dollars to prevent people from looking into his birth, his college years, on and on and on...
WHY?
Originally posted by apodictic
How did this clown make it into office....
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Because there is no evidence Obama is spending thousands or millions or whatever other figure you fellas decide to pluck out of nothing. Neither is he hiding. "Hiding" requires evidence he needs to hide.
Originally posted by dalloway
And by the way, "Obama came from nowhere" is possibly one of the laziest "birther" attack statements I have ever seen.edit on 19-1-2011 by dalloway because: (no reason given)edit on 19-1-2011 by dalloway because: clarity
Originally posted by andrewh7
Originally posted by Skippy1138
I carry my birth certificate in my wallet.I can produce it in 12 seconds for anyone who wants to see it.I have nothing to hide.Yet Obama has spent thousands of dollars to prevent people from looking into his birth, his college years, on and on and on...
WHY?
What is your source for stating that Obama has spent money for the purpose of hiding his birth certificate? Are you saying that I have something to hide if I don't keep my birth certificate in my wallet? I guess I must have something to hide.
Originally posted by PhantomLimb
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Because there is no evidence Obama is spending thousands or millions or whatever other figure you fellas decide to pluck out of nothing. Neither is he hiding. "Hiding" requires evidence he needs to hide.
He has to pay lawyers to defend him in court against the lawsuits brought.
He has yet to produce a birth certificate.
The hospital says they have it on record.
Ok your source indicates he was reluctant to show it, but he DID show it to reporters. I said he openly provided it, to settle the dispute, which he did, I didn't say he willingly provided it, since he was apparently reluctant at first.
Originally posted by aptness
McCain openly provided his long form birth certificate for all to see, and the issue of his eligibility was debated openly with the source document being available. He wasn't trying to hide anything.
This is not true. He provided the birth certificate due to law suit.
Citizen McCain
The birth certificates we got to see are from the Hollander suit.
Legal cases have been filed in at least three states--New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and California--challenging McCain's eligibility for the presidency. You can read the New Hampshire filing, by a 49-year-old computer programmer named Fred Hollander, here.
Further, this article contradicts what you’re claiming—
The McCain campaign has declined to publicly release his birth certificate, but a senior campaign official showed me a copy.
So are you claiming that a judge's order required McCain to release it?
Fred Hollander brought a lawsuit (dismissed for lack of standing) asserting that John McCain was not eligible to be president because he was not born in the United States.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Presidential candidate Alan Keyes challenged the eligibility of both Obama and McCain in court. I can understand why he did it.