Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Well Fukino said it right? And I'd like to believe Fukino.
So you believe Fukino is probably right, and you believe Obama was probably born in Hawaii, but you want another certification of live birth released
with the hospital name printed and that should do it for you? I don't view this as any honest attempt at assuring this president is eligible. I think
this is just an attempt to get your way politically.
Sure Snopes and other media sites can make mistakes, I admit that. You don't seem to want to admit that the same applies to Fukino.
That Fukino can make mistakes? Ofcourse I think it applies to her, but I am yet to see where she has contradicted herself again? You referenced me the
governor claiming Obama's hospital of birth and Fukino's silence, but this doesnt prove anything beyond assumption.
So yes I'd feel better if factcheck looked at what Fukino looked at so we don't have to rely solely on Fukino's word.
And factcheck already did this, and referenced Fukino time and time again:
www.factcheck.org...
www.politifact.com...
On Oct. 31, 2008, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii Department of Health, issued this statement: "There have been numerous requests for
Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have
a tangible interest in the vital record.
"Therefore I, as director of health for the state of Hawaii, along with the registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and
maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth
certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
"No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital
record in the possession of the state of Hawaii."
Even the governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican who at the time was stumping for John McCain, said it was on the up-and-up.
Over? No way.
All that proved, the birthers concluded, was that there is, in fact, an original birth certificate, and that the public hasn't seen it. The new
argument goes like this: Obama never published his "Birth Certificate" (a "Certificate of Live Birth") on the Internet; what he posted was a
"Certification of Live Birth," what WorldNetDaily describes as "a 'short-form' document that is generated on-the-spot and based on what is
contained in a computer database at the time it was printed out."
But I trust you are well aware of the analysis from these two websites. So you were probably just lying when you made the statement above.
If you have a different opinion, I respect your right to have it even if I don't understand why you put so much faith in one person's
word
So you are more then happy to use the statements from Tim Adams, a person who plucked a fantastical claim out of thin air, and corsi, a known
partisan, and I'm putting complete faith in Fukino? I will say I do trust Fukino more than anybody else at this moment as she is the only character
in this conspiracy that actually holds the position that is relevant to Obama's birth and records. Who do you have to reference again?
when you're constantly making arguments about how fallible everybody is, Lingle, the media, Abercrombie, Adams, etc etc. Everyone in the world
except Fukino is capable of making an error,
Where did I say Fukino is incapable of making an error? What I have been doing is asking you what errors Fukino made and thus far you have not
provided any. As for Lingle, the media, abercrombie and so forth, neither of them hold positions with worthy access to Obama's records. Fukino is the
only one. Adams? I am still astounded that you use this mans name with the rest of the government officials. What has he done again besides pulling
out a claim that has absolutely nothing to show for?
but I accept it and don't think I'm going to change your mind so don't see any point in arguing with you
You know what I don't see any point in? Asking questons and making up fantastical assumptions, that I see no point in. I am here to participate in
conspiracy theory discussions, you? Well you are here to make up questions so that Obama will eventually release his original birth certificate. I
don't see that road taking you anywhere.
