I Was Cuffed & Choked to Within an Inch of my Life by 5 Cowards. Now I'm MAD.

reply to post by jboogienoj


To you it was not threatening. To him, you are a guy with alcohol in your system grabbing his arm. He doesn't know you or what you plan. All he knows is he is not letting a drunk grab him and get him in a dangerous spot.

You felt things were getting sticky because he touched you. Imagine how he feels after dealing with grabby drunks. He doesn't know how drunk each person is or how malicious they are. He also doesn't have time to ask. For him it is about survival at the moment he is grabbed. For all he knows you've been mainlining meth, are drinking in an attempt to come down, and have a chive in your pocket.

I know that sounds crazy, but bouncers and security gaurds get stabbed and shot at nearly the same rate as cops.

reply to post by westcoast


Whatever happened to free speech?

he didnt threaten anyone.

Just cause you dont like what he said doesnt mean that he is guilty of something.

But ok. Do what you do.

You would probably make an excellent MOD. You should look into it. You know, keep us protected from the evil tupac shakur types out there.

reply to post by MikeNice81


I Hear you but let's level with each-other here. The bouncer I AM SURE knows a hostile moment when he sees one. I DID NOT SHOVE his hand and i did not slap his hand. I removed it from me because I didn't need a literal physical escort out of the bar. I can walk on my own, I've been doing it for years. He knew I wasn't a threat. Don't hide behind that one.

If anything I think the proper thing to do would have been grab me and throw me out if you have to throw somebody out. Shoot I would have gladly taken just the choke alone to the door and then let go. BUT NO they had choke me until I'm squirming and about to meet jesus. Then when they realize jesus doesn't want me quite yet, they let me go.

reply to post by Common Good


It's not so much about free speech, but following the T&C's. Have you read them? They are there for a reason. That post was extreme....one of the worst I have read here.

To the OP: understood you were upset. Still,if you feel you need to do something about what happened to you, than you still need to file a report. It isn't too late and if you were really hurt, than it should be documented if for no other reason than to have it on file in case it happens again to anyone else.

reply to post by jboogienoj


Get to a doctor as fast as possible and file that police report!

reply to post by MikeNice81


"I know that sounds crazy, but bouncers and security gaurds get stabbed and shot at nearly the same rate as cops. "

Especially ones like this.

I have done bar security for a few years and have never treated people like this.
If he is security in a bar, he should already know in his mind that he has control, no matter how hopped up patrons seem to be.
If he was good at what he did, this would have never happened.

There is only ONE TIME, when they have the right to touch you, and that is when you REFUSE to comply, or are being attacked. The security put him in a dangerous choke hold that only professionals should be doing, because obviously, he didnt know wtf he was doing.

I dont know if we are getting the whole story, but at face value, security messed up, big time.

(as security, you are there to keep things peaceful and enjoyable for the people proping up your buisness, not choking people out who are obviously not being obnoxious or disorderly). You open yourself up to lawsuits when you do that.

Security guards have pretty much the same rules of law to follow as regular citizens(especially if they are unarmed security) which I dont know if they were or not.

reply to post by westcoast


Havent we all read the T&Cs?
I mean, really?

Im serious, check into that Mod thing.

reply to post by jboogienoj


I worked personal security. If I asked someone to leave an area, or back up, and they grabbed me they would eat the floor. I don't care if it was a slap or not. I have trained with guys that are highly skilled in Ju Jitsu, Akido, Judo, Thai boxing, Arnis, and Sambo. I know what can be done with an innocent looking touch.

You call it hiding. I call it facing the truth from the perspective of a person that has been there.

I believed the OP had done a great service to members and readers of ATS about his plight. This is what ATS is all about. Creating awareness.

By sharing his plight, many more will know and learn how to deal with similar situations when encountered, for a boys' night out aint that uncommon amongst all here. A drink or two, and later some will lost their rationality and senses, and things get out of hand.

Many had given insighful responses, and should be thanked. It's a great community here.

When one drinks at a pub, its private property and has it rules and regulations. They do have the right to ask you to leave, if they so much as don't like your face even if you order a bottle.Whenever someone from the pub asks you to leave, just walk out in peace. It's not like that pub is the only place that exists in town. Plenty more out there where you will be welcomed and better treated so long as you come in peace and fun.

If you really like that place, then you must let money do the talking for you. A $10 tip now and then to the bouncers, the bartender and the service crews does wonders, unless you break their regulations, tear up that place, then you aint worth the pennies you gave out.

There will be other customers whom may be obnoxious to you espacially if they are drunk. To maintain your peace and fun, either you just walk out to another place, or buy them a drink and toast to them to shut them up. The last thing you want is violence to spoil your night. Stay cool always and the night is yours.

Cheers.

Was the place called "Wonderland" or was it "Geisha house"?
You ever go to "Les Deux" while it was open?

Their 'group' is known for strongarm security....

SUE THEM.
Deep down I "wish" I were in your shoe......see how me and my boys would respond to sh1t like this....it'd turn out very very ugly.

I actually forgot to add one thing. The fact that the next day I walked by the police station since it is close by.....I wanted to know what my rights are in that kind of situation. Basically the cop talked me out of any kind of moving forward. He's says he gets like 12 of those every weekend. I can see that, it's Hollywood. But un-warranted acts of violence because you didn't move your leg fast enough to a bouncers liking? Wow.

I asked him about the cuffs. I said how can they cuff me? He said did they call the police? I said no. He said they have some kind of loop hole with a 'citizens arrest' type thing but he kind of told me a story about a time he was assaulted and this and that but continued to persuading me to 'keep it moving' without seeming un-sympathetic to the situation. So I did.

Ya know where I come from you get beat down you don't run to cops. But getting brutalized like that in front of girls and friends by not 1 man, 5 security bouncers. That's a different story. Kinda makes you want justice.

Couldn't shake the unjustifiable choking though. So I'm just asking questions. I'm kind of on the border of wanting to per-sue action and wanting to let it go. Probably let it go because I really should have followed the steps from beginning. But I didn't. Lesson learned.

Ok guys, I'm gonna rest off this thread for a bit, I haven't typed like this since my last break up. lol Thanks for the insight ATS Brothers!

Originally posted by MikeNice81
reply to post by jboogienoj

 

I worked personal security. If I asked someone to leave an area, or back up, and they grabbed me they would eat the floor. I don't care if it was a slap or not. I have trained with guys that are highly skilled in Ju Jitsu, Akido, Judo, Thai boxing, Arnis, and Sambo. I know what can be done with an innocent looking touch.

You call it hiding. I call it facing the truth from the perspective of a person that has been there.

HAHA so what can be done with an innocent touch?? I have friends work security too. Don't justify it bro. You and I both know when somebody is hostile & or looking to be 'cute' or 'funny'. Plus he approached me and already made the aggressive move of putting his hands on me. Not my back or side shoulder. He put it where he was trying to get a reaction. My neck. And yet I still wasn't aggressive back. You sound like one of them. Guys like you are different from me. I want to hurt somebody who is trying to hurt me or others. Not innocents.

reply to post by jboogienoj

Own them. If you can't afford representation go to your county legal aid office. Take photos of any injury. File a police report. Charge the guys with assault (you have the right). Go tell the story to a reporter. Better yet, go on "The Dirty".com and report your story. Nik Richie, who owns the website, loves stories like these. You need exposure to get these guys fired.

Let it go, man.
You will end up wasting your time pursueing sh1t like this through official channel.
If you had resources from "underworld," this is the time you need to call in favors.

reply to post by Common Good


I wasn't there so I don't know if the OP was compliant. I do know that he admitted to grabbing the guy. At that point the bouncer has the same right to defense as any one else. In an establishment where alcohol is being consumed he has the right to assume higher risk from the threat, as long as the person is not visibly too drunk to be a threat.

The minute the OP put his hands on the bouncer the bouncer was with in his rights to attempt to subdue and stop any possible threat. Was he trained properly for the choke hold? I have no clue. In my opinion though he was in the right.

Rules are different every where though.

It would have been cool if you grabbed his hand like in the movies, flipped him over you into two of his buddies, then proceed to beat all of them in a 5 on 1 scrum, and walk out unscathed.

Sue them! File a police report and see a doctor and get a medical report you will need them. There is no way that choke hold was done right or you would have been out in 5 seconds. So either they were not trying to put you to sleep or they do not know how to apply the choke.

Your attorney can't take this case? Why not? What sort of attorney says something like this? Are you sure he's your attorney?