I Was Cuffed & Choked to Within an Inch of my Life by 5 Cowards. Now I'm MAD.

Security has no right to do that to do under your circumstances. You are a paying customer at the bar. In fact security should not even put a hand around your neck to make you leave, and then cuff you like a criminal.

A true abuse of power. I feel sorry you had to go through that pain. No one should.

I have done bar security for a couple different places here in Las vegas(hip hop/rock/punk) shows, and am aware of the law in this regard(to a certain extent).
These security guys that do these jobs, are supposed to know the laws regarding physical confrontation with patrons.
IF they are NOT properly trained (most are NOT) in how to handle such confrontations, then they are open up for lawsuits when it comes to physical contact. YES, they are allowed to ut their hands on you, and escort you out of the building/property(last resort).Although, if they put a choke hold on you(and they are not properly trained in this area) they can do SERIOUS damage to someone if not applied properly. It doesnt actually take that long to choke someone out and make them fall asleep, actually, it only takes a couple of seconds if applied properly no matter WHo you are.
A full minute of choking is NOT PROTOCOL, it is basically a battery charge(same as if any citizen were to do this to you). Not to mention, when they throw you on the ground, and you are facing down, they can also do a lot of damage to your organs bputting too much pressure on them(you can seriously hurt someone this way). the handcuff part, well, that is protocol, and all you can really do about that is complain to yourself. As far as your other injuries are concerned, you definately have a case, and especially so because how it sounds to me, these guys were NOT propery trained
(this comming from a guy wo has taught close combat in the United States Marines). I have read the laws on this subject, and they definately went overboard due to the companies own ignorance in not properly training their security detail.
You have a case, but if you keep waiting to pursue it, the less it looks like you are innocent. If you are really that upset about it, and that they did do damage to your throat and other areas, i would pursue this IMMEDIATELY.
You dont want to give these guys an inch to stand on.

Thats my take on it as someone who has done plenty of this kind of work.
I have been bitten, punched, spit at, but I have always protected myself from getting into a situation where I had to defend myself because I wasnt properly trained to do that job.
The guy who (tried) to choke you, should find new ork, cause he definately does NOT know what he is doing.
(hope that helped).
Good luck to you.

reply to post by jboogienoj


But I answered "ok" and non-threateningly went to remove his hand from my neck





After reading between the lines, I think your side of the story is biased to a fault, and rightfully so - you got worked over and humiliated...





Next time a bouncer(s) tells you to bail...bail. The "common sense" factor would have been useful here...

If you really got screwed, you have a case. If you're leaving stuff out, you don't.

Originally posted by ReadyPower
Sorry to hear your story brotha. One of my great friends worked bar security before, and he wouldny never do any bitch # like you said. Just trying to say not all security people are power abusing a-holes.

no, not all of them but 99.9999999999999999999% of them are.

Wow Guys thanks for the immediate feedback! Didn't think I get such a quick response.

@Violater1 Thanks for the advice. Can you explain what a MD & ER is? Do you mean MEdical Doctor & Emergency room? Isn't it too late? I wish there was video. My friends were too shocked to whip out their phones. I went to a medical clinic today just to see if I can get a doctor to confirm injuries. They were closed. Unfortunately at this time I don't have insurance so I will have to come out of pocket.

@Readypower Thanks for the advice man. I'm usually pretty good at defending my neck it was just tough to do without hands. And man he was big. Usually my RNC(Rear-naked-choke) defense is spot on but this was impossible to defend. You realize very quickly how defenseless you are when facing multiple attackers.

@stlsteve No real point just sharing a story of personal injustice. It's cool man. Yes i left.

@theliewelive That's why I'm shocked. My friend said he saw the choker staring at me before the incident. The choker seem like he wanted me dead mate. That's why I'm a bit sour. Funny thing is, the other security guys seemed to have respect for me after the incident. The choker disappeared quick. Pretty disturbing they wanted me unconscious.

@raelsatu Trust me I want to. Especially the choker. I'm having visions of catching him on the way to work. It's only down the street. Bat in hand. I can't help it. Although I probably won't it does boil in me.

@Antar I want to say the name but something tells me to hold back for right now?

@philosearcher Thanks that's kinda why I posted this here. Wanted to see how people would move forward if it was them.

@harrytuttle Yup, I'm having those thoughts.

@wynhawks Well your with your friends, I could walk……It didn't sink in fully till I was alone and thinking.

I think of myself as a pretty normal, reasonable person.

If I were out with some friends on a friday night minding my own business and this happened to me, the VERY first thing I would have done is call the police. No matter how you feel about the police, or if you thout they would help you, this is what you need to do when you are assaulted so it is a matter of record. If I really felt someone had tried to kill me, I would have IMMEDIATELY reported it. This would be a normal reaction.

The next thing I would have done, if I had scraps, bruises and nerve damage in my hand, crushed cartiledge in my throat....is go to the ER. Again, if I really thought that someone had jus assaulted me and I was injured, I would have dialed 911 and got both the police and ambulance. My injuries would have been documented.

This would have been a normal reaction to having been assaulted and hurt.

Writing about it on ATS instead of reporting it to the authorities is NOT a normal reaction of someone who has been assaulted and harmed.

Also, as someone who is trained in choke holds, you know that it would take less than 20 seconds to lose conciousness. But instead of tearing your story apart, I would just like to ask WHY you are telling us about it, instead doing something about it? By that, I mean reporting it to the authorities. Why in the world would you talk to a lawyer, but not the police? That makes ABSOLUTELY no sense.

It is a sad state of affairs when you are a paying customer somewhere and then be assaulted by the people working there...

In my younger days I saw a friend hit from behind by a patron at a bar, and then the bouncers joined in on him, so I had to pull out a stungun I used to carry everywhere and gave them all a good jolt, then got my friend out of there...

mace and pepper spray is far too messy and gets on bystanders, so I always opted for the small concealable stungun, which delivers a real serious jolt... Still carry one everywhere, except accross international borders...

Just don't stick around after you use one....have an exit strategy.. Anyone follows you outside, they can have some too

The stungun is what police used to carry before the taser fad...

hope you win a case against this place...

That is insane dude

@commongood Yes you are right completely. The thing that makes this a bit crazy to me is because I'm well trained in combat sports and have been in chokes plenty of times. I should have been OUT. I don't want to sound like some huge hearted tough guy but because I AM FAMILIAR with these chokes I can 100% say this guy was a freaking coward who was, IN THE LEAST trying to put me to sleep. For what???

@facelift I feel where your going with it partner. But let me assure you the only way I could bailed faster is if I sprinted out. I was moving OUT. Apparently not fast enough. Also remember I need a mili-second to look back and tell my friends we are leaving. I didn't get a mili-second. I MADE THAT CLEAR IN MY OP.

@stlsteve not exaggerating. My 2 friends will tell a passionate TRUE story. Trust me I'm not the type of guy to exaggerate. I'm also not the kind of guy to let people intimidate me. But that's still not a reason to what they did. I was't trying to intimidate or puff my chest out in any way.

reply to post by facelift


I was thinking basically the same thing. Once you put your hand on any bouncer, secuirty, or police officer, expect trouble.

If a bouncer puts his hand on your shoulder/neck area and prods you torwards the door, don't talk back, don't touch them, just leave. So, you don't get to finish your drink. What is more important, three dollars worth of alcohol or your dignity? If the bouncer was wrong file a complaint with management after you leave. First, walk a couple of blocks and get a drink some where else. Somewhere you actually like to be.

I also find it so amazing that all of these people beaten "to with in an inch" of their lives tend to get up and walk away under their own power. I've been around some violent situations. If you walked away you weren't near death.

There are people that abuse their position. I won't deny that. There just seems to be this belief on ATS that any one in a position of authority is abusing their power if they ask someone to do anything they don't want to. All authority are not jack booted thugs. Most of them are actually out there to help. They aren't going to take time to distinguish between a "non threatening" grab and a threatening grab though. A grab is a grab and will be treated as such.

I had an uncle that was a notorious bar room brawler. His idea of excercise was picking on bikers to start a fight, then beating on them untill they gave up. (I actually saw him beat a man so bad, the guy was listed in critical condition for the better part of three weeks.) The cops knew him well enough to always show up with back up any time they suspected it was him. Even he once told me, "never put your hands on a cop or a bouncer. That is the surest way to end up gettin' your *** beat."

Snitches.

Psh.

reply to post by jboogienoj


Document everything. Go to the hospital, and contact the police. Almost positive the attorney you spoke with is referring you to a friend who has more experience in this type of law, as most specialize in only a few sections of the law. If he says you have a case, run with it. Who knows, the bar may end up being yours.

reply to post by Common Good


Geez, I know, I am just such a downer dude. I mean, for some reason I like to think of ATS as the kind of place where I don't have to read a detailed plan on how to murder someone in cold blood.

How about not giving violent advice to someone who is already obviously upset? Now is the time to use even more caution than normal in our posts here. The site is under scrutiny. I don't wish to de-rail the thread however, it is not mine to do so.

Forgive me for having some concern.

@westcoast Ok I understand your point. But you have to realize I'm not really used to this kind of thing. They took handcuffs off ME. Me calling the cops seemed a bit funny. I was drinking. Please I didn't run here to tell the story buddy, get off that. It's been 2 days. Chillout.

@alienready Stun guns are great. But I couldn't move a muscle even though they were screaming "Quit resisting!!" I was just trying to stay alive.

@tupacshakur Thanks Pac. I know a real guy like pac would have understood where I was coming from. Loved your 1st answer lol

@mikenice I know but I was moving fast. I'm a man. When a man puts his hands on me things start getting sticky. But again, I wasn't threatening AT ALL.

reply to post by jboogienoj


Yeah man, it's not like you're going to read that and be like "Of course! It's so obvious! I would have never thought of that on my own after going through what I just went through! This guy is what gave me the idea, because that thought never crossed my mind, not even for a second!"