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BREAKING Gabrielle Giffords Shot: Congresswoman Reportedly Shot In Arizona [UPDATED]

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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by ckstarling

Originally posted by EssenSieMich


Yep. Very left wing, volunteered at the book fair, thought the Congressman was stupid... Just like I said - an Anti-Gun Nut Job.


Wait... I'm confused.

Books are left wing?!!! OH, NO!!!!!




Apparently the guy was ranting on his Myspace about Illiteracy at the same time.
Unless it's Mein Kampf of course




posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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That's exactly my point VXN. I am very, very literate in crazy. And this series of numbers isn't indicative of normal dissociative disorder. It's too long. Too complex. I've known several dissociative people and their number fixations never go higher than the hundreds.

This is very atypical.

~Heff



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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Heff...I can't believe you of all people can't read crazy when you see it


He's nuts dude.

There's no code there. If anything it's a clue to how gone he is.



LMAO!
I was thinking the same thing.

Heff copy and paste the info into ATS Chat room, it will make complete sense then.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by Realtruth
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Yes sir, I hear you.

I have a legal firearm myself. It did not leave the house today and kill anyone, nor will I ever let it do such a thing.

It is the individual that perpetrates a crime, not the object used.




the 'object' just makes it a whole lot easier.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:50 PM
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Here's a full transcript of that video:


My Final Thoughts: Jared Lee Loughner!
__________________

Most people, who read this text, forget in the next 2 second!
____________________

The population of dreamers in the United Sates of America is less than 5%.
______________________

If 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,618 is
the year in B.C.E. then the previous year of
987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,618 B.C.E.
is 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,619
B.C.E.
987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,618 is the
year in B.C.E.
Therefore, the previous year of
987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,618 B.C.E.
is 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,619
B.C.E.
______________________

If B.C.E. years are unable to start then A.D.E. years are unable to begin
B.C.E. hears are unable to start.
Thus, A.D.E. years are unable to begin.
______________________

If A.D.E. is endless in year then the years in A.D.E. don't cease
A.D.E. is endless in year
Therefore, the years in A.D.E. don't cease.
______________________

If I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive
minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and
pronunciation then the mentally capable 8 year old writes
and pronounces the new letter and pronunciation that's
replacing an alphabet letter in 20 consecutive minutes.
I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive
minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and
pronunciation.
Thus, the mentally capable 8 year old writes and pronounces
the new letter and pronunciation that replaces an alphabet
letter in 20 consecutive minutes.
______________________

Every human who's mentally capable is always able to be treasurer of their new currency.
______________________

If you create one new currency then you're able to create a second new
currency.
If you're able to create a second new currency then you're able to create
third new currency.
You create one new currency.
Thus, you're able to create a third currency.
______________________

You're a treasurer for a new currency, listener?
You create and distribute your new currency, listener?
You don't allow the government to control your grammar structure, listener?
______________________

If you create one new language then you're able to create a second new
language.
If you're able to create a second new language then you're able to create
third new language.
You create one new language.
Thus, you're able to create a third language.
______________________

All humans are in need of sleep.
Jared Loughner is a human.
Hence, Jared Loughner is in need of sleep.
______________________

Sleepwalking
If I define sleepwalking then sleepwalking is the act of state of walking,
eating, or performing other motor acts while asleep, of which one is
unaware upon awakening.
I define sleepwalking.
Thus, sleepwalking is the act of state of walking, eating, or performing other
motor acts while asleep, of which one is unaware upon awakening.
I'm a sleepwalker – who turns off the alarm clock.
______________________

All conscience dreaming at this moment is asleep.
Jared Loughner is conscience dreaming at this moment.
Thus, Jared Loughner is asleep.
______________________

Terrorist
If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism,
especially as a political weapon.
I define terrorist.
Thus, a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a
political weapon.
If you call me a terrorist then the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad
hominem.
You call me a terrorist.
Thus, the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.
______________________

Every United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix is receiving one
mini bible before the tests.
Jared Loughner is a United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix.
Therefore, Jared Loughner is receiving one mini bible before the tests.

I didn't write a belief on my Army application, and the recruiter wrote
on the application: None.
______________________

The majority of citizens in the United States of America have
never read the United States of America's Constitution.
You don't have to accept the federalist laws.
Nonetheless, read the United States of America's Constitution to
apprehend all of the current treasonous laws.

You're literate, listener?
__________________

If the property owners and government officials are no longer in
ownership of their land and laws from a revolution then the
revolutionary's from the revolution are in control of the land and
laws.
The property owners and government officials are no longer in
ownership of their land and laws from a revolution.
Thus, the revolutionary's from the revolution are in control of the
land and laws.
___________________

In conclusion, reading the second United States Constitution, I can't
trust the current government because of the retifications: The
government is implying mind control and brainwash on the
people by controlling grammar.
No! I won't pay debt with a currency that's not backed by gold and silver!
No! I won't trust in God!
______________________

What's government if words don't have meaning?


The word salad is pretty indicative of a troubled mind. Won't play distance-psychologist, though.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by dontreally
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problem with occams razor is that its impractical with regards to politics,.

Infact, in politics, theres often a more sophisticated and complicated explanation for why things happen and thus occams razor contradicts that reality.

In some cases; occams razor is fine. When dealing with wily,deceptive human beings. Its deliberately contradicted.


This kid may have just wanted attention. R or D after someones name? Who cares. He saw an oppourtunity and took it. It looks more like he was left-leaning, but I'm not about to bash all liberals as political killers.

He was just someone who wasn't wired right.


Humans are rarely as simple as you make us out to be. Considering his reading level (and using that as an indicator of intelligence) I'm sure he had quite a long list of reasons why he chose to this course of action.
This guy wasn't some redneck who disagreed with a particular decision the Congress woman made, I'm feeling that this individual, while disturbed, put together a long, complex web of reasons why he felt this was the only course of action.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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I concur with RT this will only make sense to you in chat and in typical font colors.


I gotta tell ya Heff...The partisans are scaring the hell out of me with all of this...

Is it just me or are we losing perspective entirely in this nation?
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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:53 PM
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Maybe the real target was the judge...the congresswoman was simply an accident.


Anyhow, this guy is a literature fan...this guy is going to hate prison...talk about a void of intellectual stimuli.

It also doesn't help that a kid died, and the congresswoman in question is actually cute...he is not going to be making many friends in lockup.

Lets see
1) A academic nut
2) Murdered a child
3) Shot a cute woman

He better beg for isolation for his entire stay, else things are going to be rough for him.
Death penelty? bah...he wishes.
He is nuts though...if his mind is truely fractured, was he coherent and in control when he killed is the question. I don't like the insanity defense overall, but sometimes, it is valid.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:53 PM
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I agree in the word salad aspect - though there is a theme present. This seems to me the end result of indoctrination of belief.

Maybe self imposed by this individual, maybe by others.

But the numbers seem to stand out to me. They just don't fit.

~Heff



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Hefficide
 


I concur with RT this will only make sense to you in chat and in typical font colors.


I gotta tell ya Heff...The partisans are scaring the hell out of me with all of this event...

Is it just me or are we losing perspective entirely in this nation?


I completely agree with you! We are losing perspective.
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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by dasauto
It doesn't matter how much you dislike the government or anyone for that matter it does not give you a right to go and shoot them..


The founders of America thought different, however they were not represented and did not have any other recourse than violence. Democracy is meant to give that other recourse and there is no excuse for violence in a free and democratic society.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:54 PM
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Being from the UK, I don't follow US politics. I just heard on the news though that she was a democrat and that she supported stem cell research and abortions so it's probably just some psycho right wing/fundie.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
Is it just me or are we losing perspective entirely in this nation?


No, it's not just you. When human life takes a back seat to political agenda it isn't a pretty sight. It's far too prevalent. Good luck my southern brethren, you're going need it.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:54 PM
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The partisan political comments on this shooting are disgusting.

People died.

SkepticOverlord made this thread some time ago about political trolling and hacks.


Show some compassion, and do not give msm more ammo to throw our way.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:54 PM
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Come on guys, help me find the connection between the shooter and the judge before it's wiped.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:55 PM
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Another quick thought....

With this guy being literally wiped out of cyberspace by the US Government, why is this Youtube channel, purportedly belonging to the shooter, and reported as such in the MSM still active?

Something here really, really stinks.

~Heff



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:56 PM
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We wont ever know......

But my point is that occams razor cant logically be applied to matters of politics. To objects, yes. but to subjects and real people who can deliberately transgress 'laws' like simple explanations are usually correct, no. It cannot.

People who invoke 'occams razor' reject all ideas of a conspiracy, or of an elite that goes back thousands of years (which is easily documented) because it is too complicated. They instead provide a 'logical' natural reason for why the world is the way it is. Usually involving idiocy, or egotism or some other natural human condition for why 9/11 happened or why politicians lie to us. A sophisticated explanation for their behavior is rejected on the principle of occams razor.

at the end of the day. Its a principle. not universal, just an idea that we can see is applicable in SOME situations. but not in others.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by SeenMyShare
Come on guys, help me find the connection between the shooter and the judge before it's wiped.


if he is boy blue then yes there is a connection, I posted the link



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia
FOX news right now is reporting that Giffords along with 12 other people have been shot.
I guess democratically electing leaders got boring.


Wasn't it FOX News and some other Arizona politicians talking up the "2nd Amendment Solution" when votes don't go the CORRECT way?

Nuts often get ideas from authority figures -- and we've got quite a few "authority figures" who are promoting violence. Maybe some of these people think they are saving our country from Socialism...



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by mydarkpassenger
Maybe it is best if you sit back, and take a deep breath, and think about what being a Mod requires. It requires objectivity.


I now what it entails and what I'm seeing here disgusts me. People taking a tragedy to advance a political agenda. ATS should be above that. THAT'S objectivity.


Anyone who takes joy in this event is sick, in my opinion. We are not in conflict over that; I wish that this had never happened. But I take exception when one side or another seeks to use it politically, and I speak my mind.

To your credit, I've known a lot of Mods who didn't have your guts and would rather than reason things out, would simply ban and be done with.

I think we're a lot more alike than we are unlike.



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