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BREAKING Gabrielle Giffords Shot: Congresswoman Reportedly Shot In Arizona [UPDATED]

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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:08 PM
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"Jared Lee Loughner" why do these nutjob lone gunmen have three names?




posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by AeonStorm
Yup...After watching the videos it definitly seems that this person was an idealistic intellectual who cracked.

Been there done that. Total break down is NOT fun.

Now I just try to stay calm and cool.


Tell me about it. "Lexapro" is invented for a reason... I never went violent though...



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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Some more info on the Judge in this incident.
His name is John McCarthy Roll.


Judge Roll in 2009, faced death threats after presiding over a $32 million civil-rights lawsuit. The lawsuit was filed by illegal immigrants against an Arizona rancher. After Judge Roll ruled the case would be certified, threats came from talk-radio shows which fueled controversy and spurred audiences into making threats against the judge.

The threats materialized after one show, Judge Roll's name logged more than 200 phone calls as some callers threatened the judge and his family[3].

This resulted in the judge and his wife were under a protection detail for one month as Judge Roll was given twenty four hours a day, seven days a week security by the US Marshals Service. An US Attorney's investigation ruled that four men were identified as threat makers, but no charges were filed


judgepedia.org...

So Judge Roll allowed an illegal immigrant to sue
an AZ Rancher for $32M due to Civil Rights.
He made lots of enemies with that one. They
even put him in protective custody due to death
threats. The page does not show if Roll was still
associated with this case or if there was an outcome.
Maybe the case is still in the courts. That could
be motive as well.

Just trying to find info.

an article on the court case is here:

www.washingtontimes.com...

edit on 1/8/2011 by boondock-saint because: added url



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by EssenSieMich

Originally posted by ckstarling

Originally posted by EssenSieMich

Originally posted by ckstarling

Originally posted by EssenSieMich


Yep. Very left wing, volunteered at the book fair, thought the Congressman was stupid... Just like I said - an Anti-Gun Nut Job.


Wait... I'm confused.

Books are left wing?!!! OH, NO!!!!!



You've OBVIOUSLY never been to a Book Fair'. - A 'Book Fair' is not a 'Book' - A 'Book Fair' is a very liberal event to introduce liberals to self published books written by other liberals because they do not sell in 'Book Stores'. If you also need help with differentiating a 'Book Store' from a 'Book' as well, please let me know.


edit on 8-1-2011 by EssenSieMich because: spelling


I can only laugh. Your hostility is amusing.

And way to make assumptions because, yes, I've been to a number of "book fairs." And let me tell you, they are NOT all so-called "liberal." Their primary purpose is to allow authors who are not contracted to big publishers exposure. Some of this is liberal, some is conservative, and some is neither.


Sure you have princess - yet somehow you don't know the difference between a 'Book' and a 'Book Fair'.


"Princess"? Thanks for making males sound like some throw back to the 1100's. Much appreciated. Not.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by Roguesheep
"Jared Lee Loughner" why do these nutjob lone gunmen have three names?




They do?


edit on 8/1/11 by blupblup because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:10 PM
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You really need to chill out. As a newer member here, let me remind you that this forum is for intelligent discourse, not trash talking and insults. Insulting other members is not only rude, but is against the forums rules. Please be civil.
edit on 8-1-2011 by zeeon because: typo



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by Roguesheep
"Jared Lee Loughner" why do these nutjob lone gunmen have three names?


Yep. Jerry in "Conspiracy Theory" noted that too.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:11 PM
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reply to post by mydarkpassenger
 


Damn you beat me to it.
Good catch lol. But they usually do end up having weird sounding names though.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by mydarkpassenger

Originally posted by Roguesheep
"Jared Lee Loughner" why do these nutjob lone gunmen have three names?


Yep. Jerry in "Conspiracy Theory" noted that too.




Thing is.... his name is Jared Loughner..... whether they decide to throw in the "middle" name or not is irrelevant.


In fact the whole "Lee Harvey Oswald" thing... you could say, is an association.... since then, people like Lennon's killer, Mark Chapman and others... have been referred to as "Mark David Chapman" and so on....

The 3 name name.... a conspiracy within itself.
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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by mydarkpassenger
 


Damn you beat me to it.
Good catch lol. But they usually do end up having weird sounding names though.


LOL TKD. I just got lucky on that one huh?



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by diakrite

Originally posted by AeonStorm
Yup...After watching the videos it definitly seems that this person was an idealistic intellectual who cracked.

Been there done that. Total break down is NOT fun.

Now I just try to stay calm and cool.


Tell me about it. "Lexapro" is invented for a reason... I never went violent though...


Me neither but I was close (to going violent). I was quite literally torn up inside. It is the closest thing to hell i EVER want to experience and I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy!



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:13 PM
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Well one can always ASK what makes someone crazy. Is ANY crazy natural? That could be asked as well.
Schizophrenia is often considered to be a mixture of things - environmental, nurture, stress, even the age of the father, as older sperm tend to make more schizophrenics.

But did the govt. 'make him' crazy - that is a VERY interesting question. There's the classic "Was this MK-ULTRA?" question... "Was this the stress of war?"

I do think that the current political,military and economic environment is contributing to a lot more mental illness.
That's without MK-Ultra.

I have a big issue with the govt. coming out and saying "If you have this political belief, you're to be suspected of terrorism." It gets reported in the media more like "If you support Ron Paul, you're a terrorist?" But people on the edge won't read it like that. There are people out there that will see it and think, I am? I guess I am. This might have been the case here.

We have a society that tends to measure success in terms of wealth and economic prosperity. Nepal measures it in terms of how happy and mentally well adjusted their people are. It's interesting that we tend to have more material possessions and more crazy people, and they are happier and mostly poor. I think that there's definitely a connection between our values and our mental stability.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
I actually don't care about the Judge or the Congresswoman that much. It's the 9 year old Girl that was killed. The innocence is being destroyed in the crossfire now. This madness is affecting everyone and hurting everyone. Still tragic the adults lost their lives. I look at it this way, people are murdered all the time during robbery's and car jackings every night on the 10 o'clock news. Good people, people like you and me. Sure these people were servants of society but does that make them any more better or special than any of us?

It is odd the way people think, the way the Media addresses it

"CONGRESS WOMAN , JUDGE SHOT
oh yeah by the way a 9 year old was killed"

These people are no more important than the 9 year old. The 9 year old will never get to grow
up and experience life, become a Veterinarian a teacher or even a Politician.


Im just making a point, not down playing this situation and it poses a problem. The guy was crazy, but there are many many many more people of his ilk in our society. This may very well give them ideas as well. He may even be a martyr to them. Im also pretty sure he must have an account here on ATS as well


Im with you on most of your points.

If this shooting was political in motivation, then maybe its about time America stood back and look at how damaging partisanship has become.

Politicians use this partisan bollocks to wind the populace up and then are surprised when stuff like this happens.

That poor wee girl



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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:16 PM
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And i suppose that is a coincidence as well.

Given the facts and the continued appearance of this '3 name' phenomena with killers.... You have to admit that it as at very least it smells fishy.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint
Some more info on the Judge in this incident.
His name is John McCarthy Roll.


Judge Roll in 2009, faced death threats after presiding over a $32 million civil-rights lawsuit. The lawsuit was filed by illegal immigrants against an Arizona rancher. After Judge Roll ruled the case would be certified, threats came from talk-radio shows which fueled controversy and spurred audiences into making threats against the judge.

The threats materialized after one show, Judge Roll's name logged more than 200 phone calls as some callers threatened the judge and his family[3].

This resulted in the judge and his wife were under a protection detail for one month as Judge Roll was given twenty four hours a day, seven days a week security by the US Marshals Service. An US Attorney's investigation ruled that four men were identified as threat makers, but no charges were filed


judgepedia.org...

So Judge Roll allowed an illegal immigrant to sue
an AZ Rancher for $32M due to Civil Rights.
He made lots of enemies with that one. They
even put him in protective custody due to death
threats. The page does not show if Roll was still
associated with this case or if there was an outcome.
Maybe the case is still in the courts. That could
be motive as well.

Just trying to find info.


I can see why that would piss people off, now we have a better idea of what may have caused this.


Good Work
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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:18 PM
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I think it's more likely over the 5% paycut she proposed for congress. Fox reported this a second ago.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:19 PM
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I think Mr Tranny hit the nail ..almost....right on the head.

Hillary is in the final throughs of pushing the UN law banning gun ownershipo by U.S. citzens.

Arizona just passed a very loose law allowing it's citizens to carry CCW.

The congresslady was trying to get all her fellow congressman to take a pay cut to help the budget. LOL

I think, unfortunately, that you will see more high profile shooting because TPTB want to take our guns away from us to push the UN law and to encourage states to comply with the law when it passes.

This will give TPTB -black bag groups marching orders to go out and shoot people who they deem are in the way and blame it on right-or-left wing nut jobs.
For those who do not know what a black bag group is I will explain.

There are always inside private - special operations groups working for the people who need their services they never report to anyone but one or two at the top of the company or other organization. This arms length assist is more often than not used illegally so the group must be used with the utmost disscression. Remember " the Bourne Identy" sort of like that. BBG they would have poiosoned him then made sure he had an accident, happen every day. KMG



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:19 PM
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Just a thought... If he was just attempting a go out in a blaze of glory plan, and is a smart guy, wouldn't he have chosen a republican get together?



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by Lurch
You're right, we need to wait until all the facts emerge. I've laid my cards on the table: I fully expect that it will come out that this guy has right-wing, "Tea Party"-esque, "revolutionary", "government = bad" etc etc views. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a member of a site like this, whose members regularly call for blood, revolution etc, unchecked by the site administrators. IMO, something like this, in the current climate, has been coming for a while, is not helped by the rhetoric of such right-wing organisations and people on messageboards etc and will possibly get worse in the future.


Interesting. You must not be a student of history or even up to date on current events? Extremists on the Left engage in violent acts all of the time also. Right or Left does not matter. These people are insane no matter which side they subscribe too. For every nut on the Right, there exists a nut on the Left. Both equally dangerous. That is the truth, but then radical partisans never have cared about truth. Most of this countries problems are from partisanship which breeds anger, hate and division.

Your words are just classic propoganda to try and cause more division and anger. When what society needs most is to come together and heal, you try and drive the wedge even deeper. You are a radical with radical ideas and don't even seem aware of it. It is words like yours that create these Monsters in the first place. Words like yours are the catalyst that sets them off. Then you lie to yourself because of ideological beleifs so ingrained in you that you no longer see the world clearly but through radical partisan eyes.

What happened today is easy. A very sick young man who keyed on the first excuse to come along, directed his violence towards Authority, any Authority. He had what appears to be a classic Psycotic Break at the exact age it tends to happen in young men. Textbook classic in fact.

It's truly sad how many people all over the Internet are using this tragedy to spread their own hate and radical agenda's. There are lot's of haters in this world and they always show up spewing their hate at any opportunity. You treat life likes its a sporting event where your side must win no matter who is harmed, no matter what you have to do to get your way. It's true of both the Right and Left as I said. Thankfully most of us lie in the middle where sanity, honesty and intellectual honesty exist.

I'm sure you will get plenty of entertainment as the radicals from both sides gear up to use this tragedy to their own sick, politically motivated ends. People will twist, spin and reform the facts to suit their needs and to further divide. The Left will blame the Right, the Right will blame the Left and the Sane will sit back and shake their heads at the insanity. Neither side will care about things like facts or truth. The only truth that will matter is the truth invented to justify hate.

Sadly the people participating don't seem to realize how they are being used and manipulated. Partisanship is a stealthy enemy that destroys societies from within.
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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
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And i suppose that is a coincidence as well.

Given the facts and the continued appearance of this '3 name' phenomena with killers.... You have to admit that it as at very least it smells fishy.


I was thinking that too.

John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald et al.

Not too sure if its coincidence or design.



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