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so I figured you didn;t notice I changed it. Anyways, no problem.
So I take it you're not going to edit that solid block of letters then? So I can read it with out getting a head ache.? No biggy most likely nothing of substance in it anyway
Then there's those who have been dead for days, and literally when they are about to get an autopsy, magically spring back to life. Funny thing is, with one they talked about God or the light, which sent them back. Then I wonder, why would anyone who was supposed to be and was dead for days, magically wake up on the autopsy table and make that claim? The first minute their back on Earth they want to become famous and make a story to get some TV time with media coverage? I just think there is more to it. Like i've stated before, im not placing a bible in front of my face for defense, or any religion, just factual stories I have read and found interesting, or at least two of them.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by randyvs
Originally posted by randyvs
The first law of thermaldynamics:
" energy is eternal"..
Why are you putting quotation marks on your own slightly distorted paraphrasing? The first law of thermodynamics is the conservation of matter and energy, meaning that neither matter nor energy can be created or destroyed.
Science has proven the universe didn't always exist.
In its present form. It always existed in some form if the first law applies prior to the Big Bang, which we're not entirely sure of.
Wheather anyone likes it or not the Bible supported this claim long before science got around to proving it.
They had a 50/50 chance on the issue. Either the universe was eternal or it began to exist. Not much of a big deal when they could have tossed a coin on the matter. And when you weigh that against everything else it gets wrong (the entire order and timeframe of creation, the moon as a light, the sun going round Earth, Earth being flat, global flood, etc), it's not all that impressive.
So if the universe didn't always exist, but the energy with in it is eternal. There must be another factor that involves the energy of the universe. Seeing that the energy that is infinite would have to be introduced to the universe being finite.
What? Now you're just mixing up terms. You're using nonscientific terms like 'eternal' alongside mathematical terms like 'infinite'. 'Infinite' is in relation to measurements of quantity. An infinite amount of something. Now, you're getting into areas of science that are purely the realm of theoreticians. We aren't sure if the energy existed or not prior to the big bang or if the concept of before or time actually applied until the event happened.
You're obviously trying to imply that this energy had a source. So what was the source for this source? And the source for the source of the source? Etc ad infinitum.
Granted this source could be just as stupid as any car battery. Seems a totally illogical assumption given the order of things in the universe. The absolute precision of this existence. There is handywork that can be seen in everything. Design to everything we see, smell, touch, taste and experience
No, there is an appearance to our hominid minds that have an uncanny pattern recognition system that still kicks in when we see things that are clearly undesigned. Or have you not spent a lazy afternoon staring at the clouds and pointing out which clouds look like what?
There also isn't too much precision. Studies have shown that the universe could exist in its present form without one of the fundamental forces of the universe, namely the weak force.
And what order? Please show me an element of design anywhere in the natural world.
At this point what is the simplest explanation for these facts to make any sense at all?
That there was either a naturalistic prime mover or other incredibly simple event that kicked off the universe.
What is the one most simple answer, staring you in the face at this very moment?
A naturalistic prime mover? Maybe a quantum event in the singularity? Maybe the collision of two membranes. I mean, they're all pretty simple.
I heard something about the most simple answer, is usually the right answer, somewhere I think.
That's a skewing of Occam's razor. The principle is that the most simple form of an appropriate explanation that accounts for all of the circumstances is the one we must use.
God did it.
Is not the simplest answer because it posits a being more complex than the thing that is being explained. How is infinite complexity simpler?
"The God Theory" by Bernard Haisch
Haisch is an astrophysicist whose professional positions include Staff Scientist at the Lockheed Martin Solar and Astrophysics Laboratory, Deputy Director for the Center for Extreme Ultraviolet Astrophysics at the University of California, Berkeley, and Visiting Fellow at the Max-Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics in Garching, Germany. His work has led to close involvement with NASA; he is the author of over 130 scientific papers; and was the Scientific Editor of the Astrophysical Journal for nine years, as well as the editor in chief of the Journal of Scientific Exploration.
If you think of whitte light as a metaphor of infinite, formless potential, the colors on a slide or frame of film become a structured reality grounded in the polarity that comes about through intelligent subtraction from that absolute formless potential. It results from the limitation of the unlimited. I contend that this metaphor provides a comprehensible theory for the creation of a manifest reality (our universe) from the selective limitation of infinite potential (God)...
If there exists an absolute realm that consists of infinite potential out of which a created realm of polarity emerges, is there any sensible reason not to call this "God"? Or to put it frankly, if the absolute is not God, what is it? For our purposes here, I will indentify the Absolute with God. More precisely I will call the Absolute the Godhead. Applying this new terminology to the optics analogy, we can conclude that our physical universe comes about when the Godhead selectively limits itself, taking on the role of Creator and manifesting a realm of space and time and, within that realm, filtering out some of its own infinite potential...
Viewed this way, the process of creation is the exact opposite of making something out of nothing. It is, on the contrary, a filtering process that makes something out of everything. Creation is not capricious or random addition; it is intelligent and selective subtraction. The implications of this are profound.
If the Absolute is the Godhead, and if creation is the process by which the Godhead filters out parts of its own infinite potential to manifest a physical reality that supports experience, then the stuff that is left over, the residue of this process, is our physical universe, and ourselves included. We are nothing less than a part of that Godhead - quite literally.
Next, by Ervin Laszlo
Science and the Akashic Field, an Integral Theory of Everything, 2004
And, his other seminal work
Science and the Reenchantment of the Cosmos: The Rise of the Integral Vision of Reality
Ervin Laszlo is considered one of the foremost thinkers and scientists of our age, perhaps the greatest mind since Einstein. His principal focus of research involves the Zero Point Field. He is the author of around seventy five books (his works having been translated into at least seventeen languages), and he has contributed to over 400 papers. Widely considered the father of systems philosophy and general evolution theory, he has worked as an advisor to the Director-General of the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. He was also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in both 2004 and 2005. A multidisciplinarian, Laszlo has straddled numerous fields, having worked at universities as a professor of philosophy, music, futures studies, systems science, peace studies, and evolutionary studies. He was a sucessful concert pianist until he was thirty eight.
In his view, the zero-point field (or the Akashic Field, as he calls it) is quite literally the "mind of God".
Naming Hal Puthoff, Roger Penrose, Fritz-Albert Popp, and a handful of others as "front line investigators", Laszlo quotes Puthoff who says of the new scientific paradigm:
[What] would emerge would be an increased understanding that all of us are immersed, both as living and physical beings, in an overall interpenetrating and interdependant field in ecological balance with the cosmos as a whole, and that even the boundary lines between the physical and "metaphysical" would dissolve into a unitary viewpoint of the universe as a fluid, changing, energetic/informational cosmological unity."
an excert from Science and the Akashic Field, an Integral Theory of Everything
Akasha (a . ka . sha) is a Sanskrit word meaning "ether": all-pervasive space. Originally signifying "radiation" or "brilliance", in Indian philosophy akasha was considered the first and most fundamental of the five elements - the others being vata (air), agni (fire), ap (water), and prithivi (earth). Akasha embraces the properties of all five elements: it is the womb from which everything we percieve with our senses has emerged and into which everything will ultimately re-descend. The Akashic Record (also called The Akashic Chronicle) is the enduring record of all that happens, and has ever happened, in space and time."
Laszlo's view of the history of the universe is of a series of universes that rise and fall, but are each "in-formed" by the existence of the previous one. In Laszlo's mind, the universe is becoming more and more in-formed, and within the physical universe, matter (which is the crystallization of intersecting pressure waves or an interference pattern moving through the zero-point field) is becoming increasing in-formed and evolving toward higher forms of consciousness and realization.
Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by Rustami
I ask sincerely because very little of what you referenced made the first bit of sense to me.
Originally posted by pplrnuts
YAWN, ,SIGH, LAUGHTER...
[color=cyan]ANOTHER laughable and remedial thread by randyvs where he thinks he has conquered the truth of the universe, life and beyond by revealing his fairy tales views from a single primitive, epic fail of a book called the bible to be true over science, reality and actual confirmed and tested facts and evidence.
Using his so-called "facts", "evidence" and "sense" :LOL: to shatter scientists and professionals everywhere!! Until, of course, replies come to which are clearly beyond his level of comprehension and knowledge to which he resorts to the usual flinging of insults and nonsense to cover his incompetence and ability on the subject matter.
You may be a "clever" on the Christian forums elsewhere online randyvs, but here on ATS there are educated folks here to contend with. They are way above your level, you are clearly outmatched bud.
I do not know whose threads give me the most sore sides from laughing and headaches from eye-rolling between he and Oliveoil when they post these threads that he arrogantly thinks has all the answers.
Aw boy, gotta love it!! :Lol: