reply to post by randyvs
Originally posted by randyvs
The first law of thermaldynamics:
" energy is eternal"..
Why are you putting quotation marks on your own slightly distorted paraphrasing? The first law of thermodynamics is the conservation of matter and
energy, meaning that neither matter nor energy can be created or destroyed.
Science has proven the universe didn't always exist.
In its present form. It always existed in some form if the first law applies prior to the Big Bang, which we're not entirely sure of.
Wheather anyone likes it or not the Bible supported this claim long before science got around to proving it.
They had a 50/50 chance on the issue. Either the universe was eternal or it began to exist. Not much of a big deal when they could have tossed a coin
on the matter. And when you weigh that against everything else it gets wrong (the entire order and timeframe of creation, the moon as a light, the sun
going round Earth, Earth being flat, global flood, etc), it's not all that impressive.
So if the universe didn't always exist, but the energy with in it is eternal. There must be another factor that involves the energy of the universe.
Seeing that the energy that is infinite would have to be introduced to the universe being finite.
What? Now you're just mixing up terms. You're using nonscientific terms like 'eternal' alongside mathematical terms like 'infinite'.
'Infinite' is in relation to measurements of quantity. An infinite amount of something
. Now, you're getting into areas of science that are
purely the realm of theoreticians. We aren't sure if the energy existed or not prior to the big bang or if the concept of before
actually applied until the event happened.
You're obviously trying to imply that this energy had a source. So what was the source for this source? And the source for the source of the source?
Etc ad infinitum.
Granted this source could be just as stupid as any car battery. Seems a totally illogical assumption given the order of things in the universe. The
absolute precision of this existence. There is handywork that can be seen in everything. Design to everything we see, smell, touch, taste and
No, there is an appearance to our hominid minds that have an uncanny pattern recognition system that still kicks in when we see things that are
clearly undesigned. Or have you not spent a lazy afternoon staring at the clouds and pointing out which clouds look like what?
There also isn't too much precision. Studies have shown that the universe could exist in its present form without one of the fundamental forces of
, namely the weak force.
And what order? Please show me an element of design anywhere
in the natural world.
At this point what is the simplest explanation for these facts to make any sense at all?
That there was either a naturalistic prime mover or other incredibly simple event that kicked off the universe.
What is the one most simple answer, staring you in the face at this very moment?
A naturalistic prime mover? Maybe a quantum event in the singularity? Maybe the collision of two membranes. I mean, they're all pretty simple.
I heard something about the most simple answer, is usually the right answer, somewhere I think.
That's a skewing of Occam's razor. The principle is that the most simple form of an appropriate explanation that accounts for all of the
circumstances is the one we must use.
God did it.
the simplest answer because it posits a being more complex
than the thing that is being explained. How is infinite complexity