WikiLeaks boss Julian Assange turns on everyone

Jay Leno's going to be all over this.

What a concept, HE'S upset that they made some embarrassing stuff public.

reply to post by eyestotheskies


No, I wasnt ignoring you. Im on Christmas Vacation and my wife and I have a house full of kids. Cant be on 24/7


But as to what he has done wrong? Its not a question of hat he has done wrong. The whole point of this thread is now that the table have turned, Julian doesnt much like it and is finding offence. This in itself is a major issue for me. It brings to light a significant part of his personality.

And I have said this in another thread and it kind of goes with your question as to my opinion of what wrong was done. Bear with me please.

Lets suppose Julian is actually 100% the person he wants us to think he is. He wants freedom of information at its core. A noble cause indeed. However, what if the means to which you try to get information out was actually the very thing that caused it to stop? Now Julian in all his nobleness has just given the entire world governments the key to any net freedom and privacy we might of had left.

Originally posted by mobiusmale


(snip)

But...back on point...yes the irony of his whimpering about the "leaking" of information about his criminal charges is very plain to see for anyone who doesn't wear Wiki-Rose-Coloured-Glasses.

I think this thread hits the nail right on the head! Well done.

Thank you!


reply to post by LazyGuy


Exactly!

Thanks for getting back to me.

I think the thing that I didnt agree with about the thrust of the thread was the assertion that Assange didnt like it that information was being released about him. However i listened to the 25 minute interview in full and he pointed out that in support of his belief that he wouldnt receive a fair trial in Sweden the Swedish judiciary were releasing snippets of information which might prove predudicial to his case. Fair comment if you ask me.

The irony is that Assange is accused of releasing disinfo (when he is in fact releasing genuine documents) and he was highlighting the hypocrisy of that argument to the interviewer as Sweden are releasing details relating to a forthcoming trial.

As for the argument about the information simply drying up, that is possible, but out of all this the goal in my opinion is to make the decision makers accountable in the future. It needs transparency and proper journalistic investigation by the masses to ensure that the interests of the many are put before the selfish interests of the few

Originally posted by eyestotheskies
Thanks for getting back to me.

You're Welcome. As I said, Intelligent post will always get an answer back. I have no issue with discussion and differences of opinion. Its when you get the kids on here jumping down your throat because you dont see things the way they do, that gets me.

I think the thing that I didnt agree with about the thrust of the thread was the assertion that Assange didnt like it that information was being released about him. However i listened to the 25 minute interview in full and he pointed out that in support of his belief that he wouldnt receive a fair trial in Sweden the Swedish judiciary were releasing snippets of information which might prove predudicial to his case. Fair comment if you ask me.

The irony is that Assange is accused of releasing disinfo (when he is in fact releasing genuine documents) and he was highlighting the hypocrisy of that argument to the interviewer as Sweden are releasing details relating to a forthcoming trial.

The situation still appears similar to me in regards to the procedural impact. Julian has not release in full all of his documents in regards to what he calls "the US Governments crimes" either.

At its most basic form, Julian had done to him what he did to others, at least, I can find no evidence to sway my opinion yet. So for me, that is still where the Irony exist.

As for the argument about the information simply drying up, that is possible, but out of all this the goal in my opinion is to make the decision makers accountable in the future. It needs transparency and proper journalistic investigation by the masses to ensure that the interests of the many are put before the selfish interests of the few

edit on 21-12-2010 by eyestotheskies because: spelling

While I do agree that transparency does need to broaden, I think there is such a thing as becoming to transparent. Each government needs to keep certain national secrets. Its just the nature of our global governments.

reply to post by thecinic


Blah, again cinic it's a given you troll WL threads but for anyone else reading what you posted, none of it is true.
It's all your personal opinion which likely isn't worth much.

reply to post by DerbyCityLights


I think the key aspect of the whole Wikileaks saga will be the weight of evidence that slowly builds. It is clear that the general public and the mass media are not digesting the important stuff that has so far been released and therefore the slow approach adopted by Wikileaks is, I think, the correct one.

How can anyone defend with a clear concience the US government's bullying tactics with regard to European policy on GM crops? The shear weight of evidence will slow build and will be what ultimately shines a bright light into a very dark place.

Time will tell, but Wikileaks have engineered it so that time is on their side.

reply to post by eyestotheskies


They definitely have given themselves considerable time, especially with their blackmail file.

And believe me, though I am an American and a Constitutionalist, that doesn't mean I agree with every decision my government has made. In fact, I really wish they would remember who their employer is. But there is just something about JA that I cant quite put my finger on. The odd personality quirks, his associations with Sorro's, his Nihilistic dogma...My gut just tells me to stay way. All information has a price. You gotta ask, what is his?

reply to post by DerbyCityLights


Well I'm a Brit and I like to think a pretty ordinary bloke. Ive grown up with the perhaps naive premise that the elected governments of the world are there to serve the best interests of me, my family and the general public. I've now come to realise that this is far from true.

Assange is an unusual guy and I can see why he is not liked by everyone, but to me that is immaterial. If he proves to be the conduit whereby the deeply embedded corruption is outed in this world then the price is worth paying

reply to post by DerbyCityLights


Wikileaks released a Kroll report into Kenyan government corruption that revealed 3 billion worth of embezzlement and changed the government. So please no more of the "he only picks on the US". Its factually incorrect.

Its just that most americans, like most western populations these days, don't pay attention unless americans are involved or the cause is fronted by a pop icon.

Somebody get DerbyCityLights a tissue..
he seems to be leaking..

Dry your tears little guy..
it'll be ok.

reply to post by justwokeup



I haven't seen this. Care to point me in the right direction? And one document among the hundreds of thousands he released pertaining to the US is still quite a huge number to argue with.




reply to post by Ahmose



So, all you can do is spout personal attacks and not add anything intelligent or constructive? What are you going to do next? Call me a meanie?

reply to post by DerbyCityLights


You do realize Wikileaks has been doing this for four years. They have leaked stuff on many many countries (this leak actually cost a government official his job in Germany). They have done stuff on Thailand as well. The reason we are hearing about this is because this is the first time they have gone up against a country like the U.S.

Originally posted by DerbyCityLights
reply to post by justwokeup

 

I haven't seen this. Care to point me in the right direction? And one document among the hundreds of thousands he released pertaining to the US is still quite a huge number to argue with.




reply to post by Ahmose

 

So, all you can do is spout personal attacks and not add anything intelligent or constructive? What are you going to do next? Call me a meanie?

If the original post contained anything intelligent,
other than the childish, meaningless rubbish that it is..
i might feel the need to respond with something 'intelligent'..

But it did not,
So I did not.

and no,
you're a big meanie.

reply to post by DerbyCityLights


Some of WL leaks that aren't U.S. oriented. You can read more at their wikipedia page.

In January 2009, WikiLeaks released 86 telephone intercept recordings of Peruvian politicians and businessmen involved in the 2008 Peru oil scandal.

In September, internal documents from Kaupthing Bank were leaked, from shortly before the collapse of Iceland's banking sector, which led to the 2008–2010 Icelandic financial crisis. The document shows that suspiciously large sums of money were loaned to various owners of the bank, and large debts written off.

In October, Joint Services Protocol 440, a British document advising the security services on how to avoid documents being leaked was published by WikiLeaks. (that one is the sweetest irony)

During 2008 and 2009, WikiLeaks published the alleged lists of forbidden or illegal web addresses for Australia, Denmark and Thailand. These were originally created to prevent access to child pornography and terrorism, but the leaks revealed that other sites covering unrelated subjects were also listed


en.wikipedia.org...

I say cast the bones and let the pieces fall where they may.

How can anyone be angry at Julian for showing truth? Shouldn't we be upset at the Government for hiding their spilt milk?

Lets face it, Every country in this world has a dirty diaper, and wearing a thick pair of pants to hide it isnt good enough anymore.

Julian is going down, the USA is going down, The EU and UN is going down. We're all in a sinking ship and instead of putting on our life preserver vest we are too busy strangling each other.

Wake up - Big Brother had his way with you in your sleep and hes not interested in the missionary pose.

Turn around and fight or bend over.

It doesnt have to get ugly - Just tell them "NO"


-G

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


I am quite aware of this. However I do not think that he has released anything about any other country that is comparable in the amount released against the US. Just the staggering amount is alone enough to see who his true target is. Especially when the majority of it is just more embarrassing than anything.


reply to post by Ahmose



If you have something intelligent to add, please continue and do so. If all you want to do is throw personal attacks about like a 14 year old who got his feelings hurt because someone said something mean about his hero, then be my guest, but you will get no more acknowledgement out of me if you do.

Yeah - he has released things on other countries, etc. You cannot say he focuses solely on the US.

I think part of this that Wikileaks and Assange have basically become one in the same in many people's minds. There is good and bad to go along with that.

Amazing things have (and are ) happening because of Wikileaks. That doesn't mean Assange is without a single flaw. He is human so of course he has both good and bad points to his personality and behavior. Everyone does.

My personal two cents on how he comes across to me as a person is that ....

On the one hand, he seems extremely intelligent, driven, focused and appears to deeply believe in what he is doing. On the other hand he seems as though he can be arrogant, egotistical, and possibly narcissistic at times.

I know I'll probably catch heat in this thread for saying that he likely has flaws like everyone else. I'm not celebrating that he has them, but I'm not denying that he has them either.

Assange having flaws like everyone else doesn't make Wikileaks any more or less important - but it does make him human.

I do find it interesting that in some cases his many followers find it so hard to admit he is human and has flaws like everyone else.

Even Jesus had a bad day and cursed a fig tree. Even Hitler loved his dog. Julian Assange is human and thus has his good and bad traits.

reply to post by DerbyCityLights


If you follow Gogovicmorrows link you'll find its all mentioned on there. In months/years past you could simply visit the site itself and read all their past publishings at will.

Due to the magnitude of the assault on them its not so simple now. The back catalog seems offline and unavailable for the moment.

No doubt somebody more technically adept than me can find you what you seek.

reply to post by DerbyCityLights


No it doesn't show who his true target is. It shows what he has leaked to him. Obviously they would leak anything they can. You can tell by some of their weaker leaks they are eager to leak whatever they can. They just made some news and then lucked into some big leaks from the U.S. they didn't chase any of these leaks down, they were submitted to them.