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Originally posted by Alien44
The world has been turned upside down...what about what I don't like, including being blasted by islamic prayer through a loudspeaker at six in the morning. I love my country and I loved it even more the way it was. This isn't racism I'm talking here, its downright unfairness and inequality. PEACE
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by NadaCambia
This thread is indictive of how tired people are of Muslims.
It's also indicative of the amount of bigotry here.
ATS is not a community of bigots
Not all of them, but a large portion.
In my town a few years ago a black man was banned from wearing a St George bandana because it was deemed offensive to Muslims.
Your GOVERNMENT is at fault, not Muslims.
People need to understand and not buy into the media hype.
That's exactly what you're all doing! Buying into the media hype!
Religious extremism is a threat to all of us. Islam in particular.
ANY extremism is a threat to us. Blaming it on the evil Muslims is just a cop out.
Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Originally posted by nenothtu
Now wait just a minute - didn't you just try to compare an Austrian singing while he mowed his lawn to me screaming hate at an American government official? Or you trying to cause a stampede in a US airport?
Yet you're going to call someone on making a valid comparison, but putting the shoe on the other foot?
No, these were two completely separate points.
The case involves Austrian law, therefore any other country's laws are irrelevant to this topic.
My point about screaming ''hate'' towards US government officials and the like, were in response to a slight tangent this thread went off on.
My points about restrictions on freedom of expression in the US were entirely to do with the fact that some Americans arrogantly assume that their laws and rights apply to all other sovereign nations, and have a 'holier-than-thou' attitude about their so-called freedoms.
I was not comparing Austrian and US law in relation to this particular case.
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Wow so much hatred it's shocking.
So lets deal with this in order.
1. Your source is the Israeli News, yeah that's an unbiased resource.
2. The individual did not simply yodel, he did it every day they were going to Prayer.
3. It appears there have been other areas he has harrassed them.
So basically try not to overreact every time you hear the word Muslim.
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Wow so much hatred it's shocking.
So lets deal with this in order.
1. Your source is the Israeli News, yeah that's an unbiased resource.
2. The individual did not simply yodel, he did it every day they were going to Prayer.
3. It appears there have been other areas he has harrassed them.
Now while i fully support free speech and believe people should be able to do what they want, when they want as long as they don't hurt anyone it does appear this guy was being malicious.
So basically try not to overreact every time you hear the word Muslim.
Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Originally posted by nenothtu
I have to admit, I'm at a loss to explain why I should care what you do at an airport. Sure, I think it's perfectly acceptable. Go for it. Might want to go down to the local theater to scream "fire!" while you're at it. In for a penny, in for a pound, eh? You won't find me in either place, so I can't say that I care much what folks choose to do there.
Do they have lawns over there? Do they mow them? Are you unable to determine the difference between mowing a lawn and creating a stampede?
So, in other words you accept that the US has restrictions on freedom of expression as well.
You have just proved my point.
His crime wasn't mowing a lawn; his apparent crime was mocking the Muslim call to prayer, which no doubt falls foul of inciting religious/racial hatred.
The laws on incitement are in place to prevent hate speech that may instigate violence between different ethnic and religious groups.
The potential outcome of racial/religious incitement would be equally as undesirable as a stampede.
This isn't about you mowing your lawn.
You made a statement earlier, bemoaning the fact that ''when did you [ presumably Europe ] let your countries get this way'', or something to this effect.
I am pointing out that your freedom of expression is also restricted in the US, as threatening to kill the POTUS is quite rightly not allowed, as it is tantamount to incitement to kill.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Pretty well. I'm not in jail or the looney bin over it. We're not the USSA.... YET.
Well, go down to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and say the things that I've suggested, and then tell me how that free expression is working out for you.
If I can understand what you're saying in between the waterboardings.
I thought I'd already explained that.
Presumably a deliberate attempt to mock the Muslim call to prayer falls foul of Austrian laws on this issue.
Why wouldn't the Austrians allow this ? It's their countries, their laws.
Once again, the American idea that putting these particular restrictions on expression is somehow wrong, has absolutely no bearing on the laws of another country.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Been there, done that, checked it off. No problems. I was careful not to actually hit him or anything, though. That would have been a crime, as I said above.
Nope. Some stopped to hear what I had to say. Surprisingly, several agreed.
Yes, and I'm sure that what you were saying was rather more constructive and eloquent than just preaching hatred and suggesting that he should be killed.
If you did that, then I'm sure you would have had a slightly different response from all parties concerned.
Fair enough. I stand corrected on that particular point.
Thanks for the information about that Greensboro incident; I hadn't heard about that before.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Yup. "Breach of the Peace" involves... breaching the peace! DOING something, not SAYING something. Singing while working certainly doesn't meet the standard.
It's obviously different over there, than it is over here.
In the UK, shouting racial slurs in your front garden could lead to a number of reasons for arrest, including breaching the peace.