reply to post by 547000
Everyone is a sinner. Ever checked out a woman's body or saw her in a sexual way while she was married, even for a split second? You have committed
adultery. Ever wanted to have something someone else owns? You've coveted their possessions. Ever told a small white lie? That's a sin too. By those
standards everyone has sinned, and will sin in the future, even clergymen. If any clergy man ever says he has not ever sinned, you can be fairly
certain that's a lie. Everyone has sinned, perhaps except very small children.
Narrow thinking, and yet, sometimes we do have to narrow things down to pull anything useful out.
"Everyone" is a sinner, except for Jesus. Catholics would say except for Jesus and his mother. Buddhists might point out that such a thing would
be irrelevant anyway, once one has achieved Nirvana.
Oh yeah, and small children. They don't "sin" either.
Well, I think the notion of "sin" is perhaps useful, to a point. Not in the sense that somehow a god could be offended (by anything really), but in
the sense that we have the ability to recognize failings in ourselves.
The failings are "measured" by a "standard", whether we recognize it or not. No, it doesn't take a Bible, or a minister or priest to interpret
it either. People recognized their failings long before such things!
What I'm talking about is simple self-awareness, in the small sense of one who understands that we all want to treated a certain way, perhaps with
respect at a minimum, and therefore, such self-awareness implies that we "should" treat others accordingly. It's logic, simple logic, extending
out into society, else, human interactions would devolve into chaos, and it doesn't take a genius to figure this out.
So we "need" religion to tell us this?
For those who find this notion odd, perhaps I could suggest reading what some of the ancient philosophers of Greece were speaking about, long before
Christ came, and while the whole world around them was praying to various "gods", including the Hebrews, who's god wasn't especially all that
different, demanded blood, vengeance, etc.
These philosophers "believed" in REASON, and logic, and used their minds to probe into all sorts of things. Science, art, ethics, government and
politics. These ancients cared a great deal about the world in which they found themselves, and left to us an awesome legacy.
If a reader here doesn't really know who "Socrates" is, or Epicurus, or Plato...Look them up! Spend at least a small amount of time getting in
touch with the roots of Western civilisation. It can't hurt.