How Would You End All Religions on This Planet?

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posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 05:55 PM
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to us all the faith thing is a big wall that was built by a scared little man i dont care where he lives but he knows his name and the problems hes causing,the main thing is we still have a world to unite, the poverty we are creating is more of a ponderland than who we pray to each day, if you take a look at it with an open mind our planet can bring all people together, iv never been to kenya! id love to see the wildlife and feel the sun and enjoy the culture, again poverty and fear of attack deters me, our whole system of united freedom is hampered by equalitey, no man is better than another, just because, what?i have a nuclear arsonal, or i run your life because i was voted to, and that oils ours not yours, wake up world! and you lovelly creatures out there, its only a matter of time.




posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 07:24 AM
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I've gained exactly what I needed to believe in a God because I've prayed to have subjective evidence if objective evidence cannot be granted.

I believe in prayer because to me it's been proven to work as my prayer was answered and it wasn't for something vague like a feeling or something material you can gain by accident or through your own will.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 10:10 AM
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If something is subjective how can you gain any objective truth out it.

There's no evidence that "GOD" answers prayers, let alone that a "GOD" even exists. You say you have subjective evidence.

I have subjective evidence that i saw a Unicorn on acid, his name was Toby and he could talk.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 10:23 PM
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If you saw that someone was copying off a test, but no one else saw it, and you can't really prove it factually, but only give your testimony for what you saw, would you think the person cheated, or would you say "I have no objective evidence so it couldn't be true what I saw with my own two eyes"? To you, what you witnessed would always be evidence. Something could be true, whether or not we have objective evidence.
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posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 04:50 AM
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claiming to have subjective truth that you can talk to an invisible supernatural being and that you know of his existence is a lot different than claiming someone copied a maths test. At least its regarding the material world. And the evidence of exact word copying and exact answers is quite unlikely especially if you compare the 2 pupils/student's history of results. I would be suspicious. ROFL
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posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 07:18 AM
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I've witnessed with my own senses, so what I've witnessed carries more weight to me than people who haven't witnessed what I have. If you come from a society that hasn't witnessed flight, and you see a plane, it will sound absurd to those who don't believe in flying machines and in which aerodynamics is not explained. Yet once it is explained, it seems possible.
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posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 10:02 AM
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Similarly = someone who has seen a "GHOST" may be completely convinced that they have, however, they may not have the KNOWLEDGE to deduce what phenomenon actually is.

Someone may have seen a Volcano many years ago and were CERTAIN that it was a GOD.

Science aims to remove these prejudices and offer the evidence for EVERYONE to see.

Personal experience is intellectually bankrupt in debate, in science.

SCIENCE =

"THE POETRY OF REALITY"
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posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:15 PM
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I find it quite funny, yet sad, whenever I meet, or speak with an atheist. They seem to have a real hate on for the world, and are quite pretentious. I`m not saying that I`m any ``better`` than they are, but I at least know that I`m much farther on my spiritual journey than they are. Science isn`t everything. And if we continue to live in a world consumed by material greed, and hunger to feed the ego, than the only people we truly have to blame in this world are ourselves. I`m going to leave a ``magic`` spell that anyone who is familiar with the occult would find quite trivial (although not a negative type spell, it is one that it is quite simple). I challenge anyone whom is an atheist to try this spell, which fills one`s heart with love. If you feel nothing I would say your doing it wrong. So here goes....

Repeat this saying out loud 3 times,

``I invoke thee, Christ, that thou will energize my heart chakra, with the energy of the two of cups.``

after repeating this 3 times imagine (or feel) a brilliant, bright green color around your heart. Continue repeating this phrase as many times as you desire.




I doubt this will ``convince`` many, because a true atheist would try to rationalize why they suddenly feel their heart. But I think the answer to ending religion begins with at least some knowledge of what ``magic`` is. Reiki is a great example of how these energies exist within us. I suggest if you are atheist, like I once was, that you look into the occult, because you will be surprised by what you find. There are many different paths one can take, and we don`t all need to try and achieve enlightenment, but we need to start learning in this day and age that there are energies which science cannot explain, energies that defy the laws of physics.


P.S. Sorry for the use of some characters in this post, my computer is on the fritz.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 03:11 AM
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Repeat this saying out loud 3 times, ``I invoke thee, Christ, that thou will energize my heart chakra, with the energy of the two of cups.`` after repeating this 3 times imagine (or feel) a brilliant, bright green color around your heart. Continue repeating this phrase as many times as you desire. I doubt this will ``convince`` many, because a true atheist would try to rationalize why they suddenly feel their heart.


I tried it a few times, and I felt nothing. Maybe Jesus still has a hangover from his birthday party?



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 03:20 AM
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By having them meet Christ. The timing would have to be right on.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 04:52 AM
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The fact is, I have encountered the existence of non-corporeal things. Spirits are not fiction, but due to lack of knowledge of such things make such claims seem ridiculous. Not only was it non physical, it affirmed to the truth of the crucifixion. I have tried to debunk it, but none of the material explanations seem accurate. And I still experience the phenomenon. When you haven't encountered something it's easy to try to explain it away. But when you've actually witnessed something you know of its truth.

You can keep saying I believe blindly, but I do not, for I have actually witnessed what I terrify about. Similar to how you would testify to something you have observed but have insufficient objective evidence to prove, and yet believe because you've seen it yourself. If anyone claimed you believed blindly, you would of course claim you actually observed what you did and hence it is not without reason, but for reason of your own witness.
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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 08:28 AM
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Yesterday December 27th archaeologist Vendyl Jones passed away from throat cancer at the age of 80. Though he has died. His archaeological work and restoration of the Seven Universal No'achide Laws will go on.



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 10:59 PM
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Love your post. You have done your research. And you explained it quite well and honestly. Nice to see somebody without an angle, although we are all guilty from time to time. Well done.



posted on Dec, 31 2010 @ 12:40 AM
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I find it very interesting that a great many non-religious people would proceed to commit great atrocities to eradicate religions. Atrocities that the non-religious themselves often accuse religious people of committing in the past.



posted on Dec, 31 2010 @ 04:17 AM
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People don't kill in the name of Atheism or non-belief, Atheism has no specific "goals" - Religion does, and people can interpret them differently.

There is evidence that religion causes conflict and prejudice.



posted on Dec, 31 2010 @ 07:15 AM
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In Albania under the dictatorship of Enver Hoxha all churches were placed under government control and land originally held by religious institutions were taken by the state. In 1967, inspired by China's cultural revolution, Hoxha closed down all churches and mosques in the country, outlawed anything involving religious activity and went so far as to install a policy of killing or imprisonment of hundreds or priests or imams in his declaration of Albania as the first Atheist state.The Agrarian Reform Law of August 1945, for example, nationalized most property of religious institutions, including the estates of monasteries, orders, and dioceses. Many clergy and believers were tried, tortured, and executed.

In Cambodia, the Khmer Rouge under Pol Pot reduced the population by 25% before returning from exile to force people out of the cities and into the killing fields, the middle classes were violently purged and an estimated 250,000 ethnic Chinese were killed. In all, more than 1.5m people were murdered or starved to death.

It is unlikely that any information about militant atheism will find itself published or broadcasted by any MSM outlet unless there's a propagandist agenda to garner or promote public support for war.

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posted on Dec, 31 2010 @ 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by awake_and_aware
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People don't kill in the name of Atheism or non-belief, Atheism has no specific "goals" - Religion does, and people can interpret them differently.


So, if an atheist is behind genocide, it's not due to atheism, but if a religious person does it, it is due to religion? Couldn't many atrocities done in the name of religion have an external cause too, say politics, just like the stupid political ideals of world socialism or communism or a political leader's lust for power or to mold the world into his personal utopia?


There is evidence that religion causes conflict and prejudice.


I think there is evidence that having different beliefs and opinions caused conflicts and prejudice. Or you don't think it's prejudice that many militant atheists believe that adherents of religion are all blind sheep who never question things? Or the smug attitude they have that they are intellectually superior?



posted on Dec, 31 2010 @ 09:19 AM
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Atheism is a lack of belief, it has no "goals" - It doesn't have prejudice. Stalin didn't kill in the name of "Atheism" - He killed because he had a political ideology, the same reason Hitler (Roman Catholic) commited genocide, not because he was Atheist, but because he had other beliefs such as Eugenics (The Master Race plan) to say this is Atheism is to show ignorance of history and politics.


The word prejudice is most commonly used to refer to a preconceived judgement toward a people or a person because of race, social class, gender, ethnicity, age, disability, political beliefs, religion, sexual orientation or other personal characteristics.


You may say we are prejudice towards Relgion, this is nonsense, and it is not IRRATIONAL concern we have with the religious.

We have reason for our scorn. This is not a preconcieved judgement, we generally believe religion to be a hinderance to the stability of the human race. The same way you would regard Nazism detremental or "wrong". The good thing that religion does certainly does not make up for the bad.

There is prejudice in religion because of the commands of their specific God, Theists obviously have prejudice with a person of other beliefs or non-beliefs because you think the word of YOUR god should be followed and they are "sinners" and all that nonsense.



Or you don't think it's prejudice that many militant atheists believe that adherents of religion are all blind sheep who never question things? Or the smug attitude they have that they are intellectually superior


I've never heard of "militant" atheists. We certainly don't have the burden of deity to cloud our own judgement, that's all i'll say. I've never seen a plane flown into a building in the name of "Atheism" or a suicide bomber kill other people because he/she didn't believe in a God. I've never seen racial hatred preached because of a "lack of belief in God", quite the opposite.

Perhaps - one day you will come understand that many atheists are not bad, ignorant, evil or any of the other negative things we're often perceived to be, as i am aware, they're are many "religious" people who are truly kind and pleasant people, i still deteste the belief system and the ideology.

The only difference between you and i is the answer to 1 simple question. I say "i don't know" "humans can't (currently) know this or i would show you"- What do you say?

Also another question; could you name any moral act that a religious person can do that an Atheist cannot?

Thanks for your revealing post. We are learning more about each other every day.

A&A
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posted on Dec, 31 2010 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by awake_and_aware
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Atheism is a lack of belief, it has no "goals" - It doesn't have prejudice. Stalin didn't kill in the name of "Atheism" - He killed because he had a political ideology, the same reason Hitler (Roman Catholic) commited genocide, not because he was Atheist, but because he had other beliefs such as Eugenics (The Master Race plan) to say this is Atheism is to show ignorance of history and politics.


Where in the NT does it say kill unbelievers and muslims and abortion doctors? It merely says, spread the word, and that when the gospel is available in all nations, then the end will come. Or do you think the crusades were religiously motivated and not politically motivated, like so many states where atheism was promoted?


You may say we are prejudice towards Relgion, this is nonsense, and it is not IRRATIONAL concern we have with the religious.
of their own.concieved judgement, we generally believe religion to be a hinderance to the stability of the human race. The same way you would regard Nazism detremental or "wrong". The good thing that religion does certainly does not make up for the bad.

There is prejudice in religion because of the commands of their specific God, Theists obviously have prejudice with a person of other beliefs or non-beliefs because you think the word of YOUR god should be followed and they are "sinners" and all that nonsense.


I suppose it's okay then if we called all atheists smug know-it-alls, eh? Atheism, especially the evangelical kind, is a threat to many in the world, because many will be condemned because rather than seeking evidence for themselves, they hardened their hearts and expected God to give them evidence with no effort of their own. It's a threat to my own well-being that I did not realize until I was shown personally by God to be wrong.


I've never heard of "militant" atheists. We certainly don't have the burden of deity to cloud our own judgement, that's all i'll say. I've never seen a plane flown into a building in the name of "Atheism" or a suicide bomber kill other people because he/she didn't believe in a God. I've never seen racial hatred preached because of a "lack of belief in God", quite the opposite.


You obviously don't understand the heart of the matter of how Russia fell, do you? You only seem to understand the superficial exterior and not fully understand how or why Russia's problems manifested in such bloodshed. It would take a book that I am not equipped to write to explain the crux of the matter. Fortunately you can try to absorb it and understand if you wanted to, but you will object, because you think it's all theistic propaganda, so I won't go into that here. The bottom line is what happened in Russia is only a small shade of what is to come. The logical conclusions of what you can derive from atheism is even more dangerous than fanatical Islam. We can only hope the atheist bent to inevitably come and take the world by storm is not the kind that encourages materialism.


Perhaps - one day you will come understand that many atheists are not bad, ignorant, evil or any of the other negative things we're often perceived to be, as i am aware, they're are many "religious" people who are truly kind and pleasant people, i still deteste the belief system and the ideology.


I don't think all atheists are bad. I just think many give themselves too much credit for being smart or many suspect the religious are just mindless sheep who can't think rationally. I was an atheist too, you know.


The only difference between you and i is the answer to 1 simple question. I say "i don't know" "humans can't (currently) know this or i would show you"- What do you say?


I say I know and that it is possible to know, but it may not be possible to show it, and even if you could people who don't want to believe will never believe until they actually consider the contrary and seek for themselves. I say it's possible to know, but even if you do people will call you a liar or crazy because they think it's unknowable. It's knowable, but probably not empirical.


Also another question; could you name any moral act that a religious person can do that an Atheist cannot?


No. This was never about morals anyway.


Thanks for your revealing post. We are learning more about each other every day.

You're welcome.



posted on Dec, 31 2010 @ 01:45 PM
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Where in the NT does it say kill unbelievers and muslims and abortion doctors?


Ahhh 547000, 547000 - you have what's known as "Vague Faith". The good old "let's forget the Old testament" routine. We just love that argument. Willing to believe that God can suddenly change his mind. Genocide, slavery? We'll just cherry pick that belief system out and let the Evangelicals look stupid. I'll give it to them though, at least they are consistent with their beliefs.


Atheism, especially the evangelical kind


I'm actually not sure whether you are a persistant troll or actually ignorant of the Atheism position and your own religion; Christianity. There is no such concept as "Evangelical" Atheism, Atheism doesn't encourage "rituals", or preach to children, basically it's not Christianity. The vast majorities of Atheists wouldn't dare preach dogma. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in theism. It has no "goals" A reasoning Atheist might debate against abortion, this does not mean Atheism has a particular pre-defined view on abortion.

Learn some of the arguments against your own religion before wasting our time here. If no one else will, i will deny your ignorance. Don't consider this aggressive, that's just the motto of ATS, and a personal favourite of mine.

Oh and learn what "Evangelicalism" is, after that learn what an "Oxymoron" is, then perhaps learn what "Atheism" is really about, and what most of us think. We will deny ignorance, no exceptions for "faith"





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