reply to post by 547000
I prayed with purity of heart and with all my soul, and since then, and now even, I have had experiences that not only point to the supernatural, but
to the truth of the crucifixion, but you won't believe and will call me a liar or deluded, until something similar happens to you. I would be a liar
if I denied Jesus is more than a fairy tale, as I previously thought. First you must seek God with all your heart and all your soul, and then you will
receive your evidence.
Glad this approach worked for you.
Personally, I will not boast of the "purity" of my heart, but I can tell you that I desired "truth", no matter where the chips were to fall.
I was raised in a Christian family, so much so that one of my brothers entered the seminary for a while. We were taught our "faith", and I can tell
you we knew far more than the average bear when it came to the subject.
But I'd like to say that I perhaps knew "too much". There's an old saying, that some of my religionist progenitors were fond of, "moderation in
all things". Ah, if they had only been a bit more moderate when it came to religion, I might still being sitting in a pew somewhere!
This was my personal context as I launched my own "search". I learned not only what I was "supposed to know", but I went beyond, at one time,
long ago, with the "conviction" dare I say, that I would only continue to find more, and more confirmation of the things I had been given as a
Without any particular intention, I began reading mostly what we might call things already "approved". The Bible! Things that other religious
thinkers had written. I was, and am, a fan of C.S. Lewis, who spoke so eloquently of his journey to faith, in his case, with the Pilgrim
"regressing", instead of progressing.
BUT, there were problems with my small religious paradigm that were apparently so big, that they could scarcely be hidden beneath even Christian
writings. There were "clues" everywhere it seemed, and yet, as a believer, they are often completely overlooked.
I don't see the average religious person as a "liar" when they speak of their experiences. I had some that might make anyone want to call me a
liar too! I don't even think that the word "deluded" is completely fair.
Religion typically is what today might be called a memeplex that covers enough bases to remain unassailable while the believer looks out onto the
world. They are "trapped" you might say in their paradigm, and the only possible way for them to get free, is to...
...walk out the open door. Saying this, I would never minimize the enormity of such an endeavor, at least as seen from the "inside". It only looks
"easy" AFTER one has walked out, and looked back.
And no, it wasn't really all that "easy"! But this was not due to some giant mental unsolvable puzzle. It was never anything like that.
Remaining within the arms of religion is probably more an inertia thing. If that's where we are, that just might be where we'll stay.
SO, what is the way "out"? It probably sounds very much like what you have described as the way "back"!
"Praying with purity of heart and soul..." Or as the nonreligious might put it, wanting the truth, no matter what it happened to be, even if it was
The difference? I'll share my experience about this.
We MUST, somehow, step "out" of the box FIRST. In other words, in order to have even the slightest possibility of getting beyond "faith", you
must actually have, at least momentary "faith", that your "faith" is so strong, that you're not "worried" about not
That was probably confusing, but "if" a person can do this (not easy), then the rest will follow. Specifically, it involves truly stepping into the
moccasins of exactly the person you imagine can't possibly have the answer. For a moment, you suspend your beliefs, and honestly try and see what
the "other" sees. If you succeed, even for a moment, you may instantly find that you are looking back at your former cage. You have walked out the
It's an interesting process, because I believe that it involves a tremendous amount of personal integrity. Yes, I realize that will sound full of
pride, but it's not so different from the person who imagines they have anything close to "purity of heart"...