reply to post by samstone11
The tone of your response, the extensive presentation of your views as fact, and apparent complete disregard for my plea for harmony validates
exactly what I was wanting to convey
I don't have a disregard for harmony, i have a disregard for religion, i've already stated this. I think religious beliefs are irrational, and are and
have been a direct threat the stability of civilisation.
I never have a problem with Deism, a simple belief in God, but i will ask how and why such a belief was formed and challenge that stance, if i find
the reason to belief to be irrational.
What i think is wrong is Theism (ORGANISED RELIGION) - claiming to know God exists, and THEN further claiming you know the thoughts and desires of
this entity. This is a conjuring trick. This is deception, this is wrong, this prevents peace because of supertitious beliefs.
I must admit at this moment it is exceptionally difficult for me t to abide by the tenants of my beliefs which mandate I not strike back in
anger, so I will temper myself and again simply implore you to reconsider your approach.
How do you approach something you believe is irrational and a direct threat the stability and harmony of society?
You accuse me of disregarding your plea for harmony, this isn't a debate about harmony, this is a debate about religion. I seek harmony myself, i
believe getting rid of ancient beliefs will bring society together, to fight for a common goal; truth, not BLIND belief.
Labeling is no more valid than asserting that all Muslims are terrorists or since you know someone named Steve who has blond hair that everyone
named Steve must also have blond hair.
Really? You're really going to say this? I don't stereotype individual people, but if someone claims to worship the God of the Old/New Testament, that
makes them a Christian, they carry the label of Christian. There's no getting around that fact, unless you make your own religion up and give it
If they preach Martyrdom and Jihad and believe in Allah, this person is a Muslim, they're religion is Islam. I'm not physically putting a label on
this person, but the label comes with their beliefs.
If they don't believe in scripture or organised religion, they are simply a person who is a Deist or (Atheist, Agnostic, Pantheist)
I want you to know that I recognize there are varying degrees of how willing someone is to stay true to their moral compass. It is a constant
internal battle, but I make a conscious effort as often as necessary to do so
I agree with you, but i believe absolute objective morality inferred through the supernatural presence of a Deity can distort you're moral choices.
Moral choices can be understood without the need to invoke God.
Why would anyone think that blowing up another church is a moral act without thinking they are doing the "will of God" - Religion makes otherwise
morally decent people, do and say disgusting things.
I hope you will reconsider your position.
My position is Agnostic Atheism, there's no evidence currently to suggest there is a supernatural dictator governing the universe, and if there is,
there's no evidence to suggest this entity intervenes in human affairs.
Because of this i am inherently against Theism (an anti-theist), especially the exclusive mono-theistic doctrines, because they preach prejudice
towards non-believers, or prejudice automatically follows.
(If you think Allah is the true God, you are going to look down on non-believers, it's really as simple as that, if you believe you are following a
true God, you will think other people are wrong.)
So far, i have no been impolite, i am civilised when it comes to debate, i don't do personal attacks, i just have concerns with religion, and i will
God is who He says He is
Sorry, when did "HE" say this?
I really don't see where you are going with your response, and what you want me to change about my approach.
Yes i am willing to grant you the possibility that this universe was created by a super special supernatural entity, but only if you are willing to
grant me that there may not even be a being that governs the universe, the universe is just infinite.
See, i can't claim know there is a God, and i can't claim to say there is NO GOD, but people do, and they have no evidence for this, this is
irrational. This is wrong, it's caused chaos and havoc for many years, and still does.
Eternal damnation is fearmongering of the worst kind and the promise of "heaven" is false hope.
Thanks for your reply, i hope i have answered your concerns, i probably havn't.
Like you, i want the world to live in harmony, but just as i would oppose Nazi Faschism, i oppose religion for the same reason, it's a threat to
peace, and it's based on a absolute dictatatorship on a universal scale. Even if GOd did exist, i would not worship him, especially if it was the
Christian/Islamic/Jewish God. (Abrahamic Gods)
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