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Are you intimately aware of the chemical makeup of every fuel load you've used in your 40 years of flying? Do you think it's a possible mechanism for chemtrails? Plausible even? Also, as rightly pointed out by other posters... explaining (repeatedly) why persistant contrails exist isn't a valid argument against the existence of chemtrails. That goes for you too Oz. You need a better argument.
Originally posted by firepilot
Do you have any evidence, or do you just have speculation?
Originally posted by firepilot
How would TET make big trails behind an airplane? And why can contrails not persist, and where did you read that?
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For the entire U.S. population, during and after the TEL phaseout, the mean blood lead level dropped from 13 μg/dL in 1976 to only 3 μg/dL in 1991.[7] The U.S. Centers for Disease Control considered blood lead levels "elevated" when they were above 10 μg/dL. Lead exposure affects the intelligence quotient (IQ) such that a blood lead level of 30 μg/dL is associated with a 6.9-point reduction of IQ, with most reduction (3.9 points) occurring below 10 μg/dL.[8]
Originally posted by eightfold
...I'm just trying to point out that neither of those make chemtrails impossible.
Originally posted by firepilot
Do you have any evidence, or do you just have speculation?
It's the only plausible mechanism I can think of for the "mass spraying" that chemtrail advocates shout about on ATS all the time, and it would place 'blame' on the oil companies and refineries.
Are you intimately aware of the chemical makeup of every fuel load you've used in your 40 years of flying?
Do you think it's a possible mechanism for chemtrails? Plausible even?
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The DEF STAN 91-91 (UK) and ASTM D1655 (international) specifications allow for certain additives to be added to jet fuel, including:[6][7]
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BUT....jet turbine engines do not burn gasoline/petrol!! "Jet-A" is derived from forms of kerosene. Has lower volatility (flash point) than gasoline, and chemically different in other ways too.
You should, then, do some research into the quality control requirements imposed by regulations, on aviation fuels...gasoline-based AND kerosene-based. They are quite stringent, and well-controlled/monitored.
I don't have to be [aware of the chemical makeup for the fuel], because as I said, I am aware of the stringent regulations that govern their refinement, and distribution.
Do you think it's a possible mechanism for chemtrails? Plausible even?
NO.
Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
Well -- yeah. It is possible to spray chemicals from a plane. However, the basic argument here is whether or not the very presence of persistent trails in the sky -- lasting for hours and stretching from horizon to horizon -- are ALWAYS chemtrails.
People are using the existence of persistent trails as proof that chemical spraying is happening, and every persistent trail is a CHEMtrail.
And the fact that they "can" spray chemicals from planes is not enough. People "can" do a lot of things; that doesn't mean those things are done on a regular basis.
.... fuels. I've done a fair bit of reading about them and nothing I've found excludes the theory I proposed.
There are already a multitude of additives in all sorts of aviation fuels.
It wouldn't be difficult to add a chemical additive to the fuel that would pass the tests.
Toxicology reports in autopsies don't test for every chemical under the sun... there have been numerous incidents of mass water poisonings despite very stringent controls and tests... there have been repeated incidents of benzene contamination in soft drinks...
Nothing you've said proves otherwise.
I did and have. The tests only look for certain anomalies (water content etc) and hydrocarbon mixtures - the type of fuel involved is irrelevant. It wouldn't be difficult to add a chemical additive to the fuel that would pass the tests.
Originally posted by firepilot
So tell me as a professional pilot, how when you have hundreds of airplanes aloft at once, and sometimes down jetways ,as you call air corridors, would not make the patterns you see at times?
Based on the aerial maps you have studied, and your knowledge of ATC procedures, what conclusion did you come up with? Because I am sure you did look at high altitude jet airways charts..
Do you know something that EVERY pilot out there does not? There are tens of thousands of jet pilots out there, what is it that you know, that they do not?
And tell us, how does your TEL (I mistakenly put TET) make large trails??
I did. I have the VFR terminal charts for my local airport which covers most of the area around where I live. I've had them for about a year (they were *just* out of date when I got them).
I've got a better question for you.... please show me where I said TEL had anything at all to do with trails? If you read all the words I've written you'll understand what I was saying about TEL. It's incredibly rude for you to reply to my post without properly reading what I said.
Originally posted by firepilot
VFR terminal area charts have nothing to do with High Altitude jetways. You seriously were trying to figure out what high altitude jets under IFR flight plans, and enroute, are doing with a VFR terminal area chart?
And yes I would guess there are north south routes too, and then more and more traffic is going off airway too with enroute GPS being approved often.
I still want to know what is it that you know, that tens of thousands of professional pilots are missing out on
Wait, am I missing something. Isnt this whole topic about chemtrails and their existence? You are bringing up fuel additives in a thread about chemtrails, so it must be germaine to the topic.
Would that traffic be permitted to fly at 90 degrees to the very busy central England North/South routes, less that 10 miles from a *very* busy airport?
Originally posted by firepilot
Yes, I have a degree in Environmental Science, with lots of coursework in chemistry and biology, in addition to my credentials as a professional pilot. And science was my career before becoming a pilot, and I have worked in weather research missions as a pilot.
But so far all you have to offer is speculation, and speculation is not evidence of anything other than your imagination.
A hypothesis should at least have some fact that it starts with. If your theory actually just starts with only speculation from the very beginning, then its not very sound.
All you are offering, is just your own theory of things . Maybe to you its fuel additives. To another chemtrail believer, its metal dumped into the engine. For others, its secretly rigged airliners that spray out their static wicks. To others, its reptilian shapeshifters flying orbs that are battling the sylphs. Just give us some kind of evidence that you base your speculation from.
Originally posted by firepilot
Well, would it not make more sense to start with evidence, facts, and proof first, and then work from there?
Because since chemtrail believers do not do that, that is why its actually just more of a catch-all of any number of ideas, rather than any coherent conspiracy.
Its just turned into a big free for all of imagination, with each person believing whatever it is, with some really looney versions involving space aliens, invisible airplanes, viruses, etc.
You can see for yourself that chemtrail believers have zero knowledge of aviation and meterology, and really make no effort to learn more about it. They keep embarrasing themselves anytime they ever try to make a comment about aviation and metereology.
Originally posted by dplum517
We should also note that all the Chemtrail debunkers know all about the individual Chemtrailers and there studies of knowledge and how none of us have the slightest clue about meteorology and aviation. (..heavy sarcasm implied)
It's pretty obvious these threads get flooded with disinfo agents and trolls. The more these people want to drill into your head that Chemtrails are thoughts of crazy folk the more it proves they exist.
Please, I look forward to the replies of taking quotes out of context and picking them apart.....signs of desperation.